Madeira island fig cuttings plantation old tradition..

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gluglo

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Posted 1358213676	Reply with quote #1

The method of the branches of the fig plantation in the ground ... old tradition, a square piece of cloth 50 by 50 cm pour a portion of land in the middle ad wheat cementes join together small pieces of urine chicken or cow or pork dry urine, then crack the tip of the twig in half 5cm, put the stick in the middle of the cloth , tie the cloth with the greyhound in the middle, make a hole in the ground and put into the hole and cover with soil+ water 2 times per day, every week throw urine or chicken or cow twist on the fig tree, when it is a lie to flourish ad water with dish soap once a month, when they are big fig tree and ready to give figs lie sulfur over...this is that way we do here on the island of madeira

Willofig

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Posted 1358214027	Reply with quote #2

I think your translator is not working well??? It doesn't make sense!!!!! Sorry:-( __________________ Mario zone 6a Willowick,Oh

DaydreamFigs

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Posted 1358214625	Reply with quote #3

I give him kudos for trying to share with all of us :) __________________ Grow damn it .....GROW!

bullet08

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Posted 1358214659	Reply with quote #4

i think he is saying.. old method of planting fig cutting... old tradition. in a square cloth about 50cm x 50cm, add soil in the middle with mixture of wheat, dried chicken/cow/pork urine. wound the bottom of the cutting about 5cm and put it in the mixture and tied the cloth with "greyhound". make a hold in the ground, plant it in the ground. cover with soil and water twice a day. every week, add more dried urine mix to the tree. when water with dish soap once a month. when the tree is big, top dress it with sulfur. this is the way they do it in madeira island. now.. i have no idea what he mean by "greyhound". edit: this is interesting. since urine is source of nitrogen, i assume it is being used as fertilizer. not sure what dish soap and sulfur is being used for. edit: thanks gluglo. i enjoyed reading this. this is interesting. different from what most of us do, but i'm sure it worked in madeira. i know portugal has many wonderful figs. __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

newnandawg

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Posted 1358214684	Reply with quote #5

Gluglo, I understand the small English barrier. I have a large Portuguese barrier. Thanks for sharing Can you explain greyhound? Thanks for sharing your tradition with us.

hungryjack

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Posted 1358215731	Reply with quote #6

greyhound = cutting __________________ Big Apple/Fig, New York 6B

jenniferarino83

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Posted 1358215929	Reply with quote #7

Ewwww.. Urine? Like dried pee-pee?? Gagging. Chicken/cow/rabbit poo is fine. But dried pee-whoah. I will try it! A bit extreme for a girly woman, but what the heck! I live in FarmVille Idaho, tons of dairy cows here, and I will have chickens to raise this year so I have lots of poo-poo. But urine? How do you get that? Do you put a diaper on them and squeeze the pee out? Spring will be interesting... -Jennifer __________________ Jennifer A. Brown Wishlist: NONE Boise ID ZONE 5

Bass

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Posted 1358216947	Reply with quote #8

Nelson, can you translate.... __________________ Pennsylvania http://www.treesofjoy.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trees-of-Joy/110193909021138

Grasa

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Posted 1358217366	Reply with quote #9

Guglio, manda p mim em Portugues (em PM), q eu traduzo . Esse Google fez sua linguagem ficar totalmente maluca..onde ja se viu xixi de galinha? He is really trying to express his method. Sounds from the broken translation that a piece of cloth is used like a sac perhaps to protect from crawling bugs? that cloth is filled with manure putting the cutting in the middle and tieing the bag and is burried in the 'field of wheet', water twice, (perhaps it is hot there?) I asked him to send me the source words, so I can translate for you all. Kudos for him! Viva Madeira! __________________ Grasa Seattle, WA

jenniferarino83

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Posted 1358217525	Reply with quote #10

That's positive he is trying. __________________ Jennifer A. Brown Wishlist: NONE Boise ID ZONE 5

HarveyC

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Posted 1358218263	Reply with quote #11

Thanks for sharing your experiences, Francisco. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

twobrothersgarden

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Posted 1358219199	Reply with quote #12

I read once in a book by Jerry Baker that dish soap softens the soil, and cleans the leaves of pollution, but he was referring to in ground plants. __________________ Henry, Brawley, California, 9B YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/thetwobrothersgarden/videos?view=0 Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/usr/two-brothers-2013

Grasa

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Posted 1358220613	Reply with quote #13

using dish soap to manage my gnat larvae.. cannot say 100% garanteed, but I have to keep on trying. __________________ Grasa Seattle, WA

saxonfig

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Posted 1358232837	Reply with quote #14

Jennifer. I am still cracking up over your post #8. You made me get an image of a cow wearing a diaper - LOL! I laughed til I had tears coming out. I grew up around farms, animals, & all that so it might be a little extra funny to me. Hears how you really get pee from a cow. Go out to the cow pasture, poor a can of peas on the ground. When a cow comes over to take a pea, just have your bucket ready - Ba-da-boom! Or you put on one of those rubber gloves that extends all the way up to your shoulder.......Oh wait....... that might have been for a different procedure involving cows. Oh well...........maybe you just have to grow up around it to get farm humor ;-) . __________________ Fig Well And Prosper! Bill - SW KY. Zone 6b. 36.5N I'm fruitnut on ebay.

JoAnn749

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Posted 1358234830	Reply with quote #15

This is for you Jennifer! Dish soap is used in organic gardening for pest control - if I remember right! __________________ Jo-Ann DFW TX, Zone 7b-8a Wish List: Black Madeira,, Kathleen's Black, Malta Black, Marseille VS Black, White Paradisio, LSU Scott's Black, Conadria, White Trianna, Marttineca Rimada, Excel, Peter's Honey, Bebera Preta (Abebereira), Strawberry Verte

musillid

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Posted 1358251435	Reply with quote #16

Let's get scatological: Chickens urinate in the sense that the white stuff is uric acid. __________________ Dale non compost mentis in Zone 6a

slingha

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Posted 1358253358	Reply with quote #17

I actually can translate. He meant to say: I am selling "black madeira" fig on ebay. Go buy now. I make random post to act like I contribute but really just reminding you that I sell "black madeira" fig on ebay. You all should buy. I live on Madeira Island

TONYSAC

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Posted 1358255760	Reply with quote #18

Good job slingha I agree I dont know the guy and im not bad mouthing him/her but I have to agree. __________________ Anthony Garden city park, Long Island NY 11040 Zone 7b : 5 to 10 (F) (Nassau) FIGS4FUN1@aol.com Im here to help Crazy80z28 on Ebay Wish list... Hmmm more room.

DesertDance

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Posted 1358263056	Reply with quote #19

In Mexico they use urine which makes plants thrive. I read that somewhere on garden web. Actually urine is everywhere there are 4 legged creatures. We just don't like to think about it, but evidently it has a purpose! I love hearing about the old ways! If it aint broke, don't fix it! Looking forward to a better translation! Love the thread! Thanks for sharing! Suzi __________________ Zone 9b, Southern California. "First year they sleep, Second year they creep, Third year they leap!" Wish List: I wish all of you happy fig collecting! My wishes have been fulfilled!

ohjustaguy

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Posted 1358267507	Reply with quote #20

I use urine for fertilizer. Water:Urine (15-20:1), put it in a 5 gallon bucket with a small hole drilled into the bottom. It releases the water over 1-2 hours period. As long as you don't have high salt diet/pharmaceuticals in your system urine is good stuff. Alternative, you can just pee directly on a compost pile or wood chips away from the immediate root zone of plants. How do you harvest your urine? You ever wonder why cab drivers like "Sunny D" so much? __________________ San Jose 9b http://www.kevinsedibleyard.com/

HarveyC

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Posted 1358268459	Reply with quote #21

A rarefruit grower in Ghana (Africa) wrote a few years ago about how locals used human urine to fertilize plants and the results were very favorable. The surprising thing about his discussion was that it was best if urine was cured in bottles left in the sun (don't recall exactly, but maybe about a week). I did some searching at the time and found that composition does change over time. I also found that somewhere in Germany they were using specially-designed toilets that separated #1 and #2 and urine was directed to irrigation supply lines. I don't think it is appropriate to criticize gluglo/Francisco for his posts. Yes, he is selling cuttings but he made no mention of that here in this post but is offering information about some old-time methods used in Madeira. My wife gives this advice which I try to follow: "if you don't have something good to say, don't say anything". We'd have fewer conflicts if we would all listen to my wife! :) __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

slingha

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Posted 1358270077	Reply with quote #22

Quote: Originally Posted by ohjustaguy I use urine for fertilizer. Water:Urine (15-20:1), put it in a 5 gallon bucket with a small hole drilled into the bottom. It releases the water over 1-2 hours period. As long as you don't have high salt diet/pharmaceuticals in your system urine is good stuff. Alternative, you can just pee directly on a compost pile or wood chips away from the immediate root zone of plants. How do you harvest your urine? You ever wonder why cab drivers like "Sunny D" so much? Seriously guys?!..Why not pee first, then drop a deuce right in the root zone?! It's organic and the neighbors will finally stop coming over!

HarveyC

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Posted 1358270087	Reply with quote #23

God is good. :) __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

Chivas

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Posted 1358270862	Reply with quote #24

The pee actually does work, I don't recommend it but you can as it has a high urea content, it also can work for black spot and mildew on roses, again I don't recommend it as it strong and I think most of us have seen what dog pee does to a lawn or plant. I am guessing he is talking about using composted chicken manure as the fresh one would be too hot I am thinking unless all the watering leeches it out? I am curious if you can put up some pictures for us to see the process Francisco, it really does seem like an interesting method. __________________ Canada Zone 6B

gorgi

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Posted 1358271796	Reply with quote #25

I once watched some 'survival' Discovery TV-channel program about 'pee'. During any disaster/calamity, one can use (family) urine as a fertilizer to grow more veggie food. [Very rich in the 'N' (nitogen) part of a fertilizer NPK ratio - gererally recommended as an ideal 3:2:1] If lost in some hot-desert or open-sea (no good water), one can extend his life by 1-3 more days by drinking (own) urine while still fresh and sterile - more of so, kidneys may fail... __________________ George, NJ_z7a.

DesertDance

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Posted 1358272921	Reply with quote #26

I'll add to this! I have a photo of JD peeing at a golf course (and no, it's not on twitter). No wonder those courses are so green!! __________________ Zone 9b, Southern California. "First year they sleep, Second year they creep, Third year they leap!" Wish List: I wish all of you happy fig collecting! My wishes have been fulfilled!

slingha

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Posted 1358274104	Reply with quote #27

Harvey, Click on the link below...It's all of this guys' posts. Now tell me he is legit..... http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/search?searchid=22550755&showas=post&userid=2033419&sort=lastpost&order=desc

HarveyC

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Posted 1358274788	Reply with quote #28

slingha, I've seen all of his posts and have communicated directly. I haven't bought anything from him and don't plan to. Like I said above, he's getting criticized if he does something wrong and again when he doesn't. He isn't doing anything wrong here and people with negative comments should back off, IMO. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

HarveyC

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Posted 1358275865	Reply with quote #29

I believe the negative comments in this thread do not adhere to the decorum thread posted recently. http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/Forum-Decorum-6119026?pid=1276038557 __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

Grasa

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Posted 1358277462	Reply with quote #30

Here we go again! I regret clicking on this topic. I am so sick of ABUSERS. No matter where they go, they just treat others like poo! Francisco and I have our Portuguese language in common. He is real, legit, and a very nice guy. I communicate with him in Portuguese and found him to be much nicier than some of you instigators of trouble. Can you trouble makers just go get a life somewhere? __________________ Grasa Seattle, WA

jtp

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Posted 1358277638	Reply with quote #31

As long as you don't accept the hate, it only hurts its source.

newnandawg

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Posted 1358278654	Reply with quote #32

Harvey, I agree with your posts #38, 40 and 41. Francisco had to defend him self in almost every one of his post. To the best of my knowledge he has not done anything wrong other than post a pic from Google and he removed it when he was called on it. No one can truly say if the fig he sold is Black Madeira or not until DNA says so.

eithieus

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Posted 1358278813	Reply with quote #33

any one wont a hug __________________ Eithieus

Grasa

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Posted 1358279076	Reply with quote #34

Madeira Island is there for hundreds of years. Fig grows in Madeira for hundreds of years. Of course every fig that grows there is Madeira fig! The ORIGINAL and LEGIT Madeira fig would be the one coming from Madeira. Francisco is from there and grew up around these figs! He has the authority to say whatever, it is his land, his figs! More power to him. Francisco, nao se apoquente lendo esses comentarios nem se sinta que deve responder. Tem muita gente nociva e desocupada por aqui, mas tem muita gente boa e interessada em aprender com vc tambem! __________________ Grasa Seattle, WA

jtp

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Posted 1358279613	Reply with quote #35

As I said in another post, in time, character reveals itself. Tenure does not equal quality.

slingha

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Posted 1358281769	Reply with quote #36

slingha

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Posted 1358282068	Reply with quote #37

Funniest thing i've read all day.

BLB

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Posted 1358282401	Reply with quote #38

My 2 cents. I don't know all aspects of this argument but I am very bothered by a new seller that really nobody knows, who claims to have Black Madeira, which as everyone knows is a highly desireable and expensive fig, in fact arguably the best fig out there. I get the fact that he is from Madeira Island, but that doesn't make him a fig authority any more than it makes me a historian of Philadelphia because I've lived here my whole life, that is just dumb. Some years ago I spent good money (read a whole lot of money) on several figs from myfigsforfun including a so called Black Madeira which I now jokingly call my white Madeira since that is the actual color of the figs it produces. Newbies take note, us old heads don't want you to get burned, that's pretty much it. And be honest, this guy is new out of no where selling THE premium fig, it's questionable at best so yes buyer beware. I have no ax to grind with any new or old members, I welcome the new and enjoy my friendship with the old members. We all know that some new members will not hang around, some will only be here until they get a few cuttings and others will stay and become valued members, that's the same in any sort of group like this, same thing happens in the local horticultural groups I belong to. And there is the occassional trouble maker who only has nasty things to say. So what, so we deal with it all. To me the overall experience of the forum has been very positive, let's try to keep it that way.

jtp

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Posted 1358284557	Reply with quote #39

I think warnings are great, so long as they do not become a wave of paranoia, targeting those who may be new. Let each individual case warrant its individual response. It remains to be seen if gluglo is genuine or not. Pushback on a friendly warning should not elicit hostility or the "Fine, I am going to play elsewhere" mentality. What concerns me is we are seeing some blanket statements of late, saying new people should be approached with suspicion. That's not right. We were all new at some point. And Dom, for the record, no thanks on the offered kiss. Judging from your recent posts, you have a dirty mouth. :) (That is a joke for those of the thin-skinned variety)

OttawanZ5

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Posted 1358287108	Reply with quote #40

Harvey You mentioned "Thanks for sharing your experiences, Francisco". Who is Francisco and how did his name come in this thread? You may be confusing lampo (Francisco) with gluglo. If one goes to gluglo profile you see some things that is hard to connect to any Francisco. Also gluglo profile lead to a Homepage URL http://blackfig.blogspot.pt/ where he is known as mich and if you click on mich complete Profile you see a lot of stuff, a lot of commercial advertisements including black figs from Madeira (of course all black figs from Madeira are 'Madeira Black Figs' or "Black Madeira Figs" or any other permutation. Do visit the complete profile and learn how to send someone to more commercial under a spicy title 'topless' etc. I said more than I intended which was that gluglo (though from Portugal) is not lampo (Francisco). So the quarrels are null and void. __________________ Ottawan-Z5a, Canada

DesertDance

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Posted 1358288184	Reply with quote #41

I'm confused too. What is all the drama here? __________________ Zone 9b, Southern California. "First year they sleep, Second year they creep, Third year they leap!" Wish List: I wish all of you happy fig collecting! My wishes have been fulfilled!

nelson20vt

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Posted 1358291343	Reply with quote #42

Pretty bad translation there wow. The method he's talking about uses burlap and not cloth and manure not urine. Old manure to be exact in my old town they used rabbit or goat manure as chicken and cow manure can burn new roots and would be used later on once the tree was established. The calcium he's talking about is actually lime as most people back in the day had it around he house since it was used also to paint the exterior of the houses. Gluglo I understand you feeling like you don't need to prove anything but if your selling bêbera preta then List it as that no fig in Madeira is called black anything so keep the original names please. By the way when did figs4fun turn into figs4funds come on guys lets have some fun. __________________ Mississauga, ON, Canada Z5B/6A

HarveyC

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Posted 1358293454	Reply with quote #43

Quote: Originally Posted by OttawanZ5 Harvey You mentioned "Thanks for sharing your experiences, Francisco". Who is Francisco and how did his name come in this thread? You may be confusing lampo (Francisco) with gluglo. If one goes to gluglo profile you see some things that is hard to connect to any Francisco. Also gluglo profile lead to a Homepage URL http://blackfig.blogspot.pt/ where he is known as mich and if you click on mich complete Profile you see a lot of stuff, a lot of commercial advertisements including black figs from Madeira (of course all black figs from Madeira are 'Madeira Black Figs' or "Black Madeira Figs" or any other permutation. Do visit the complete profile and learn how to send someone to more commercial under a spicy title 'topless' etc. I said more than I intended which was that gluglo (though from Portugal) is not lampo (Francisco). So the quarrels are null and void. See post #25 at http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/cuttings-from-Portugal-arrived-6153534 gluglo is also Francisco (his Christian name), I just prefer referring to someone by their actual name but should have been clearer by adding his ID in parenthesis. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

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Posted 1358294719	Reply with quote #44

This thread has been edited because some did not take their chill pill today. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

DesertDance

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Posted 1358295802	Reply with quote #45

Wow! She admires your control! Amazing! Hands clapping! __________________ Zone 9b, Southern California. "First year they sleep, Second year they creep, Third year they leap!" Wish List: I wish all of you happy fig collecting! My wishes have been fulfilled!

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