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godsavesthequeen

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The history: My uncle planted 12 years ago a scion who never had a crop because not irrigated. 3 years ago, I decided to set automatic aspersion. That year, the first figs appear. I dont know anything about  provenance. having a quick look on the ebay pics, I wonder if it could come out Turkish country? It is very similair to Patlican or Bardaçik.

here is the description (dont hesitate to debate):

Leaves big, 3 lobbed, weight fig: about > 65g, acacia-honey flavour, short pedicel, fig elliptic, skin cracked. Begin to  ripen in late august. Ostiole large. No brebas.


Leave and longitudinal fruit cuttings
http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/6161/d1cr.jpg


the fig on the branches
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/570/r2ss.jpg

other view
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2894/ke2h.jpg

66grams of honey:
http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/78/rg7b.jpg

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/3753/c7tu.jpg

Hope you enjoy
Chriss
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Turkish figs are Smyrna, for the most part.  This doesn't look to be caprified and is large for a common fig.
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Especially desired figs: UCD 187-25, UCD 200-48, UCD 157-17, UCD 309-B1, Princesa, Black Madeira, high quality sugar fig that ripens Sept-Oct.

Probable desired fig: Smith, St Jean, JH Adriatic, CddB, Gulbun, Pastilliere, Sucrette

Rooting:  Smith, CDDB--this pretty much means I have my fun tries (tho' important since they are truly desirable), and only interested for this year: Gulbun, BM, 187-25, or something wildly exotic or precious that nobody has any good reason to send me.
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Hi Chriss,
Wish I could help you with the identification, but I am not very familiar with Turkish fig varieties.  In fact, I was hoping to know more about Turkish figs.  Does anyone know if there are figs cultivated or growing wild in Turkey's cold areas in the centeral region or in Eastern Anatolia?
Thanks,
Greg
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godsavesthequeen

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Hey Greg,

It seems  turkish forumer  posted some pics in another thread concerning the turkish cultivars (Sarizeybek, Goklop, Patlican, Bardaçik, Yesil Güz, Mor Lop, Sari Lop...), but I do not find the correct link anymore. I see your are located in the Maine, zone 5, I dont know anything about fig trees from cold areas. Perhaps you will have success trying the Zagros fig. You could buy viable seeds from website selling the Zagros fig. Therefore, I guess you should put your young Zagros fig trees on sunny/rocky places, to have some convection and dry air surrounding your trees.
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Chriss,

This is a very nice fig with a great aspect and with all the 'ingredients' to become a winner.
I do not think it is a bardakçik as this variety is probably heavier and with a fully green skin, with a more oignon like shape.

Could be Patlikan.. they are both parthenocarpic. When I had to identify Turkish varieties, I used this link with nice and full pictures and a brief description of most of their varieties...

http://www.erbeyliincir.gov.tr/index.php/personellerimiz.html

Tried now but could not get through

https://www.google.pt/search?q=patlican+incir&client=firefox-a&hs=lJf&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=7TkaUvr6M8SK7AasroDIAg&ved=0CDQQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=598

here you will find Patlikan as well as here bellow..

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/Patlican-Fig-5082569

Scions of these varieties have appeared on eBay (from Turkey) with the mention that they do not need the presence of the pollinator

Francisco
godsavesthequeen

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Fantastic! I am glad to learn this fig is a 'winner'. I guess my uncle, who died sometime after having planted it, would be very glad, too:)
Khârma!

Something was strange: when he set the scion in a coin of the garden, he told me it was a cultivar making very good fig, with special flavour. During these years of unproductivity (I believed that something failed in wasp fertilization!) -just because the lack of water-, I was intrigued. The tree seemed to be convective because all the branches was oriented toward the road (asphalt) located few meters beside.

Since I learned more about energy solar partition and storage in the mediums, I can analyze that affinity with more precision:   Fig trees belonging to the "convective clades" exhibit thermo-tropism. If one fig tree has a propension to search warm surfaces (walls, asphalt, concrete), that means that it belongs to the "convective clade", with a probable origin from rocky places, dry air.

On the contrary, if fig tree does not show propension to search warm surfaces, it is probable it belongs to the "latent heat" clade, with probable ancestry from valleys or humid countries.

As we are located in the european union, it will be esay for us to send cuttings. You can send your postal adress via message. I have no experience to ship any cuttings, but I guess it needs to be sterilised in vinegar, and shipped in plastic film, with wet paper.

Cheers
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Interesting to know more about Patlikan, thanks lampo and all...
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Especially desired figs: UCD 187-25, UCD 200-48, UCD 157-17, UCD 309-B1, Princesa, Black Madeira, high quality sugar fig that ripens Sept-Oct.

Probable desired fig: Smith, St Jean, JH Adriatic, CddB, Gulbun, Pastilliere, Sucrette

Rooting:  Smith, CDDB--this pretty much means I have my fun tries (tho' important since they are truly desirable), and only interested for this year: Gulbun, BM, 187-25, or something wildly exotic or precious that nobody has any good reason to send me.
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I had a distant cousin born in Smyrna who had settled in Marseille in the beginning of century and he had brought with him a fig tree from there that he called "igo de bardadjik". I assume this is the same than Bardacik variety. He is dead for a long time now and I do not know what happened of his tree but yours is perhaps a descendant of it ...
godsavesthequeen

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Cool! It will be fine, if it is! Was he greek? There are plenty of greek from Smyrna in my locality. My grand father was also greek from Smyrna. It is possible that this fig tree is allied from Bardaçik. "igo" should be the translation of the spanish name "higo" = fig.

The world is so small!!
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Posted Reply with quote  #10 
Bardacık figs:









And patlıcan figs:
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He was a levantine  Jew speaking old spanish :
http://lad.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izmir
My great-gradmother when she was young she worked at the Izmir harbour to pack the dried figs in raphia strings to exportation
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Oh, so she knew figs perfectly! Fig linked with raphia are Calymyrna but they are named "Baglama" or "Protoben" or "Lerida" or something like that!
Vous êtes en France, alors on peut parler french?:-)
Je ne pense pas que les figues postées par notre ami ci dessus se rapportent exactement à la mienne!
I do not think figs on the pics upside are mine. Mine are flat, not oboval, but they look very similar!

Aliok: thanks for the nice pics!!
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j'ai toujours entendu parler de ces figues comme "igos de bardadjik en hilo" en judéoespagnol ; d'ailleurs le plus important des exportateurs de figues de Smyrne, "Comet Brand", appartient encore à la famille Gabay qui est juive espagnole
http://www.gabayfig.com/
Les variétés sont souvent juste des groupes de figues semblables et un même nom peut regrouper plusieurs variantes
godsavesthequeen

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Ok pour ça! C'est de la culture générale! Vous avez une idée pour "en hilo"? Ça signifie quoi précisément? Pensez vous que le figuier de mon oncle est un "Bardaçik", apporté par un grec ou un juif de Turquie? Notre quartier (Montredon) est une mosaïque de populations, beaucoup sont issus du Moyent Orient (Arméniens, Juifs, Grecs de Smyrne...).

Demain, j'ouvrirai un nouveau sujet: un figuier nain (de mémoire, les habitants du quartier l'ont toujours connu ainsi) avec des figuers de qualité gustative moyenne. J'aimerais bien savoir s'il se rapporte à une variété ancienne répertoriée sur ce forum

Amitiés et à bientôt
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