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Modeling main crop ripening

I am attempting to determine whether the main crop of the following varieties grown in pot will ripen (and when) for me:

- Florea
- Black Malta
- Improved Celeste
- Hardy Chicago
- Italian Everbearing

Could members in zones 5 and 6 who grow any of these 5 varieties indicate when figs of the main crop have been ready to pick?  The data that would be useful to me would be:
variety name
date and year figs picked,
container or in ground grown,
City/Village name(if not concerned about privacy) so that I can get daily min/max temperarures and other weather variables.

For the last many years I have used similar information to predict when rare plants will bloom in Utah, Wyoming, Colorado so that I don't leave to do my botanical research some location 1200-1500 miles away and find that the plants are not ready. So far that has been very useful to me.

Thank you for your time and efforts.
Marcel

Not a lot of data here, but I'll give you what I can:

Florea (in ground):  8/17/15, 8/16/16, 8/22/17.

Hardy Chicago (in ground):  9/4/15, 9/8/16.  Tree damaged in winter 16.

Malta Black (potted, 2nd year cutting):  8/31/17.  

Grown in Bristol, RI 02809, Z6B.

Last year: Chicago Hardy in pot-September 11 on-
Chicago Hardy in ground October 10 on-
This year-nothing yet
Zone 5 in central MA
Rutland

@cjmach: Bob, Thank you for the info on Chicago Hardy both potted and in-ground. Your air layer from last October is doing great; it is now a huge potted tree. I have great expectations for next year. Many thanks.

@jrdewhirst: Joe, Thank you for the great information that gives me a good start.

Marcel

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Randino, Dalmatie, VDB clone start ripening every year around mid September in ground (+- few days to a week for cold/warm summer).

And according my request for fig enthusiast in south of Ukraine Randino and Hardy Chicago ripened same time (same condition for both).

Breba ripening around beginning of August, it is best way as it will be ripe for sure and weather is warm/hot this period.

Near Kiev.

August 10 this year for a potted Hardy Chicago started from cutting in May of '16, about a dozen already picked with the last expected to be picked in the next two days.  The pot was 1/3 buried last year and this year.  It grew as a single stem last year with fruit at each node by September that I picked off.  No pruning of the tree over the winter.  It grew maybe five branches this year the longest of which is about a foot.  Last year grown in 2.5 gallon icing bucket.  Slight root pruning this spring and up-potted to 4.5 gallon icing bucket.
Another Hardy Chicago started from cutting in May of '15.  The trunk was accidentally broken in half in March-ish of '16.  It grew five branches and produced about nine fruit by the end of the 2016 season.  No additional pruning over the winter.  Half buried this spring, 2017.  It's currently loaded with fruit that are just now beginning to ripen.  Grown last year and this year in 2.5 gallon icing bucket.
Many other Hardy Chicago potted plants with very few fruits just beginning to ripen.

Improved Celeste has ripened its first fruit for me in z5a three days ago, Florea will ripen it first in two days, Ronde de Bordeaux within the week.

Improved Celeste has ripened its first fruit for me in z5a three days ago, Florea will ripen it first in two days, Ronde de Bordeaux within the week. All in pots, in ground duplicates haven't started ripening yet.

@Serge: Sergei, Many thanks. I hope you are beginning to enjoy some of your figs. The temperatures for the coming week should help their ripening!

@VeryNew2Figs: Cheryl, thank you for the data on Hardy Chicago. You have an impressive collection. Are all your trees in pots?

@zone5figger: Jesse, many thanks for the data on Improved Celeste, Florea and Ronde de Bordeaux. Is your Randino tree producing this year?

These data give me a feeling that most of my efforts should be concentrated on brebas, as even Florea and Improved Celeste, known has "early varieties", would likely ripen by mid to late Sept. for me. I should consider these and Hardy Chicago my "late season" varieties, with perhaps a cold grower like Randino!!!

Thank you.
Marcel

Yes, all plants in pots.  The lady I got my Hardy Chicago cuttings from, hers is in the ground.  She said it was there when she moved in more than 40 years ago.  The last time I saw it a months or so ago it had gumball sized figs on it.

No Randino figs for me this season...
Season extention at the beginning of the season will improve your chances of enjoying maincrop figs, shuffle or greenhouse.
Violette de Bordeaux types make some breba as well as very good mid-ripening maincrop figs, with a bit luck you should get to enjoy both!

BTW, I think ripening time is driven by something other than zone.  As I understand it, zone is determined by lowest winter temps.  Ripening date may be driven by warmth.  There are areas of the country that get just as cold as my area of RI (Z6B) in the winter but warm up sooner in the spring.  For example, growers in parts of PA and NJ that are also Z6B seem to ripen figs roughly 2 weeks earlier than me. 

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BTW, I think ripening time is driven by something other than zone.  As I understand it, zone is determined by lowest winter temps.  Ripening date may be driven by warmth.  There are areas of the country that get just as cold as my area of RI (Z6B) in the winter but warm up sooner in the spring.  For example, growers in parts of PA and NJ that are also Z6B seem to ripen figs roughly 2 weeks earlier than me. 


Joe, you are right. Temperatures (degree-days) from the time the sap starts flowing in the tree early spring and amount of insolation versus cloudiness are the important factors in determining date the fruit will ripen, or a plant will bloom. This is why I have been asking for the date of ripening and the name of town/city so that I can get at local climatological data and compare this with my local data. As I said in my first post under this topic, I have successfully used that to determine when various plants I research in Wyoming/Utyah/ Montana/Colorado will be in bloom when I get to those places; otherwise I make a very long trip for nothing.

Zone is important in determining weather a plant/tree will survive without extraordinary care. Of course the further south the zone is geographically located, generally the higher the temperatures and again, generally, the greater the amount of sun. See map of insolation used for the purpose of calculating the output for a given solar panel.

Marcel

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No Randino figs for me this season... Season extention at the beginning of the season will improve your chances of enjoying maincrop figs, shuffle or greenhouse. Violette de Bordeaux types make some breba as well as very good mid-ripening maincrop figs, with a bit luck you should get to enjoy both!


Jesse, Perhaps next year for Randino!

Yes I can extend the growing season. But given my location in practically downtown and therefore a very small lot and limited storage space, I am working at finding the best varieties for this area. Varieties that have a higher likelihood of producing year in year out without too much of extraordinary efforts. Shuttling the pots, that I will do and am doing it with orchids, stapeliads from South Africa and even orange trees.

Thanks you.
Marcel

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