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Posted Reply with quote  #101 
This whole project is just Amazing!! Thank you so much for sharing all of this work (especially the photos) with us...... Please keep us Amazed!! :)
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i have to go with Frank on this one... 
just awesome!!!  THANKS!!!
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A bark graft at one year.  You can see the still-wrapped-in-mildewed-parafilm original scion tip

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Here is a graft from an earlier post, taken May 2013


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Then in July 2013

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And finally 10/17/14, taken from the other side, so the new branch is on the left, the chip graft is on the other side, and the healing cut-off in the center of the pic is the end of the rootstock branch.

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Another update on a graft from an earlier post.

This is Bealle FN, from May, 14

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And from 11/28/14

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And from 3/16/15


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showing the breba 3/16/15 on this graft, and the successful whip graft of the same variety down-branch to the left

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Posted Reply with quote  #105 
Enjoying your posts Brackishfigger.
What grafting knives have you used? Is it important to use a single edge blade for even cuts? Recommendations?
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This is the graft that I prepared before realizing that I was working on the wrong end, Armenian, I think.  I just flipped it over and grafted the other end instead.


June 2014

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March 13 2015


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Holy Smokes   this is awesome.  I sit here at my dining table on the lanai and pot away with my cuttings and look at how huge your host tree is when it struck me   could I do this with Mr. Nasty the fig tree that was here when I bought the house.  It gives me one maybe two disgusting tasteless fig each year maybe and is all shapeless and twisted looking from my husband loping off branches that hang over the sidewalk.  Could I use this piece of poop later on to do what you are doing.   Does it matter what the host is?
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so long as it is a fig, you can graft other figs onto it.  I would certainly use it if it is in a place in the yard where you would be happy to kkep it.  Don't waste that rootstock! 
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thanks so much   i guess it doesnt matter if it is sprawly mess.   Now where do i go for the little pieces to stick it to him.  LOL   Joyce
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I really enjoy coming back to this thread; it's so inspiring.

Did you ever try your idea of grafting the ends of your long extended branches to other rooted stock for pillar like supports?


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Trim it back brutally so that most of the new growth is your preffered varitey/varieties.  Get rid of the sprawly mess!
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Thanks Tim, and everyone else that have made nice comments. 

I have not planted other rootstock around the periphery for support, but I have many young branches pointing down from the top layer and up from the bottom layer and I may create grafts joining the two layers (not the branches end-to-end) for more rigid support and for aesthetics. 

Each year has been a different experience with this tree, and I don't think I am done yet with its shaping and personalizing.  It's never really done.

I really do encourage you Joyce to pick the four or five varieties you would like, or can get cuttings of, spend some time just staring at that tree, thinking about what you'd like it to be in five years, thin it drastically, and bark-graft your cuttings onto some of the stumps.  It is the right time of year, or will be soon depending on where you are.   

Start a thread with some pics of the tree and I'm sure you'll get some great feedback.  THis has been a moderately challenging and greatly satisfying diversion for me, and I would share it with you!  plus you get to post pics and receive praise from a bunch of weirdos!!



ETA:  I thought it bore mentioning that, although I am here, now, and often, and I do post, and I undeniably do have an unhealthy obsession with gardening in general and my painstakingly-crafted fig tree in particular, I am most certainly not, unlike the rest of you freaks, I repeat, not, a fig weirdo. 

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This photo inspires me for some reason.  I found it looking at google images for "fig espalier", it is at a South African farm/resort

http://blog.babylonstoren.com/2013/07/26/tree-sculptures-2/

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I tried my first grafts not long ago but none made it, lol, I guess I need practice.
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Wowie! What an amazing project.

I've grafted plums, but never figs.
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To brackishfigger and anyone else who has experience grafting figs: I have a graft where the scion is starting to leaf out now.  It is outdoors and the graft junction is held together with parafilm and then covered with aluminum foil. It was leaking sap for a while but seems to have stopped finally. What is the general rule of thumb regarding when to remove the foil and parafilm?  Thanks!
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the parafilm will crack lengthwise when the graft takes and begins to swell/callous.  You can then rewrap it (over the old parafilm), or just leave it alone.  I tend to rewrap.  It will eventually split again, and by then should be good to go.  The foil don't hurt nothing, so no reason to remove anytme soon.

Good luck and post your results!
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this so crazy cool ! to bad I cannot grow figs in ground .

someday maybe I will graft 5 or six verity's s on a potted fig !.......anyone do that ?
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Some years ago, one of the new members at the time from the northeast (Perhaps someone can remember who it was... they typed in all caps) did something similar with a multi-trunked Atreano.  The trunks were nailed together to form a single trunk.  I do not remember the outcome, but I imagine it will take some time to form a union that will stand up over time.  Perhaps this is why crepe myrtles are braided.
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Brackishfigger, thanks for your reply.  I actually tried three grafts on the three trunks of a Florea: a chip-bud type, a saddle graft and a whip & tongue graft.  The chip-bud graft is on a trunk that has several active Florea buds above it.  These were leafing out but a week or two ago I pinched off all those with the logic that it would trigger the chip bud to start growing.  I suppose an alternative strategy would be to allow the chip bud to fully callous and then prune off the branch above the graft to make the chip bud the apical bud.  Which approach do you think makes the most sense?  There is a sucker coming up with leaves that should "feed" the plant in addition to the whip & tongue scion which is starting to leaf out now.
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All of the brebas fell.  Otherwise the tree is uniformly going nuts, with loads of figs. 

My most vigorous grower by far is Conadria (second is LSU Purple) with over 4 feet put on so far this spring.  One of  the overcrowded verticals is being air layered.

I use two nested pots.  The inner pot is slit down the side to the middle, and the outer pot has the bottom cut out. 

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The bottomless one is threaded over the branch to be airlayered and pushed all the way down to its takeoff.

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The inner pot is then put around the branch and set down into the bottomless pot and filled with dirt.  I did a little scoring and propped the pots up off of the underlying horizontal branch using a stick


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The vertical to the left, upbranch of the airlayer, is now grafted to the overlying graft of LSU Gold in the upper teir of the tree. 

I have decided to connect the upper and lower tiers, and that is the first one!  I just scraped the bark of both and used a thin sharp nail to nail them together.  Future grafts will be more traditional/less crude, using sort of a reverse chip graft.

Rewton, sounds like you have things well in hand.  Ultimately you'd cut away all of the branch beyond the graft, making it apical, and in the meantime as the callous matures, to promote growth of the graft, consider scraping the bark away just down branch of the graft, or green-stick break it in the same place, letting the branch hang down below the graft.  So I've read. . .
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Posted Reply with quote  #122 
Brackish Figger, I have delved into grafting a little myself, but man, you take the cake!  Once again, that is an awesome tree!  I hope to have something like that one day, but I am still relatively young, and it is likely I will move in the next decade, so I am waiting my final locale to start such a masterpiece. Thanks for the pics and inspiration!

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Great thread! how very inspiring
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The tree continues to grow thick and lush, and is loaded with figs on every variety.  I just can't wait!

My only two new grafts, Champagne and Hunt, from the LSU orchard this spring, look to have taken well.

It's interesting that the parent Hollier trees, and those of others (I've read here), have very short internodal spaces, suggesting stunted or a naturally slow growth.  My scion was that way, but the new growth is as vigorous as all the other varieties.  THe figs have a blue-gray tint.

The Conadria continues its effort to take over the garden.  It gave me one fig a few days ago that I should have left on for another day or two. 

The Conadria air layer I pictured above, created on 4/20/15, was showing a few roots at the top of the soil, so I cut it off today 5/25/15 and was very pleased.  It did have an ant colony in it, so I had to dunk it for a few hours before up-potting.


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ETA: 6//9/15  This airlayer got left where it sat in South Louisiana sun for two days before getting noticed in its sad sad state, rewatered and moved tot he shade.  It shed down to about 10 leaves before bouncing back. 





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I'm curious about winter hardiness. Do you have a plan to protect it from freezing temperatures so you don't lose your grafts?
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We had our 20-year-cold winter coupla winters back (18 degrees) and they came through without any casualties, but for the few grafts that had dubious footholds to begin with.  It's funny how some just refuse to die, but also refuse to really grow or aggressively fuse-over the poorly matched portions of the graft.  Most grafts do rapidly callous into the imperfections.  The rootstock is from VA, Zone 7a-7b, so I have no concerns here in 8b!

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bottom tier 15 varieties

Conadria: from ginazjunk4yourtrunk on ebay May 13

Unknown Home Depot Black: from Aaron4USA on F4F April 2014

BLack Mission:  from ginazjunk4yourtrunk on ebay May 2015

Hardy Chicago: 3/25/15 from LSU Burden, onto prior grafts from terry-upstate-ny ebay 4/29/13

Alma: Four grafts of two distinct varieties, one of which I think is Alma.  The other?  from ginazjunk4yourtrunk on ebay May 2015

"Persian Sultani":  from Aaron4USA on F4F 4/10/2014

Green Ischia:  from "hllyhll" (holly hill) at F4F, and/or FMD (frank) on F4F 5/18/14

Salce: Bill Saxon F4F 3/14/14

Unknown Bronx White:  JimmyChao at F4F May 2013

Hollier: LSU Burden 3/15/14

LSU Purple:  true to label after all!! Cleggs Nursery May 2013

Galban: from Rob on F4F  3/12/14

Paris Purple:  Bill Saxon F4F 3/14/14

Magnolia: Lowes 5/19/13

Italian Honey: Bill Saxon F4F  3/19/14

edited to add salce

Top Tier later. . .

 
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it is fun to keep up with the frankenfigs progress.  Maybe a guest appearence on "Penny Dreadful" is in store.   I would like to see a pic of  Frank with your kids in front.   Bet they have grown like mad also.   
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Top Tier 24 Varieties

LSU Gold: from LSU Burden 3/15/14

Smith: from LSU Burden 3/15/14

Alma:  from LSU Burden 3/15/14

Pastelliere:  from Aaron4USA on F4F 4/7/2014

Paradiso Bronze:   Rob on F4F  3/21/14

Bealle FN: Rob on F4F  3/11/14

UCR 135-15:  Rob on F4F  3/14/14  (growing ok, but graft poorly calloused)

Champagne: LSU Burden 3/15/15

Algerian:  Bill Saxon F4F  3/14/14

Acciano:  Bill Saxon F4F  3/14/14

Armenian:  Bill Saxon F4F  3/13/14

Sals Corleone: from ebay "hllyhll" (holly hill) at F4F  3/20/14

Morroccan:  FMD (frank) on F4F 3/18/14

Improved Celeste:  from ebay "hllyhll" (holly hill) at F4F  3/20/14

Panache: Rob on F4F   3/18/14

Local Unk Celeste:  Neighbor's yard April 2013

LSU Purple:  LSU Burden  3/15/14

Kadota:  LSU Burden  3/15/14

Scott's Black:  LSU Burden  7/12/13 (only survivor from LSU fig day, of maaaaaany tried. Wrong time of year)

Hunt:  LSU Burden  3/25/15

Bealle: Rob on F4F   5/21/14

O'Rourke:  LSU Burden  3/8/14

Sal's GS:  from ebay "hllyhll" (holly hill) at F4F  3/8/14

Tiger: LSU Burden  3/15/14




Which come to 39 different varieties, plus the heirloom rootstock which makes a fantastic celeste-type fig
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And a photo of the gang in front of the tree after the LSU fig day 7/11/15

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Left to right
Darkman Charles, Pukzpukz Joe, Jose263 TJ Testman, Pawpaw Gene, Figpen Richey, CajunB Brian, Brackishfigger Andy, Hershell, Ferd, Noss Vivian, ChrisK Chris
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Well for a total newbie this was information overload. I appreciate all your info. I need to graft on the three trees I started from an old homestead that is long gone but the fig tree and grapes remain. Come to find out I have wild figs. But several neighbors with several different figs I can graft from. They have all said yes to cuttings. Now to learn this grafting thing and which technique I should try. I did write down the ones you said worked best and will go study them. I do have a neighbor with figs, that took an apple tree and added a couple of different fruits to it and they are growing so maybe he is the go to guy for me and a lot of googling and youtubing! Again thanks for showing us, up close and personal your approach to grafting and making this incredible tree. And yes I caught the young Frankenstein reference. ;) One question: is parafilm just paraffin wax? or something I have never heard of? Sorry about the real newbie question. This is my first endeavor. As I originally thought my fig was not of a wild variety. Three years into it and its first fruiting the folks here have figured it all out for me. If left to my husband he would just put black electrical tape around the graft. ;)
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brackishfigger,

I've just discovered this thread. First let me tell you - what an wonderful job. Overwhelming!

Secondly, reading your comments and seeing the pictures, i realized why some of my grafting experiences with fig trees, a couple of years ago, failed miserably. This year i successfully grafted 5 different varieties to an adult tree, but i learned the hard way - whish i knew this thread before.

The almost essential use of parafilm, that i began using recently with all my fruit trees grafts, and the importance of protecting and rewrapping the grafts in fig trees (specially the chip grafts) should be highlighted in red. I realized it was the main reason to my failed chip grafts in the past.

Also, Axier's invaluable work  ( http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/english-translation-of-axiers-how-to-graft-an-adult-fig-tree-4504717) was the reason many of us started grafting adult trees with multiple varieties, but i wish it was more clear from the start, the importance of protecting the grafts of fig trees for longer than usual, to achieve success.
Also, i was amazed to find that whip and tongue grafts, done at bud break, where so successful when i tried them this year on an impulse (all 5 that i did this season took without problems), when it was not mentioned in his text, where he recommends the chip graft as the best. You seem to have identical results with that type of graft.

From what i can take from my own experience this year, the whip and tongue graft is even more successful than chip grafts - more complicated to do correctly, of course, so practice and experience is a must.
They should both be well protected for a long period, but the chip graft is much more sensitive when parafilm is removed or simply cracked - they start to dry up real quick which doesn't seem to happen with whip and tongue - probably because there is a larger reserve of nutrients in the bigger cutting piece we use for this type of graft.

Your own work seems to confirm my conclusions. Also, when the season advances its more difficult to avoid the drying up of the grafts, specially the chip grafts.
I've successfully grafted in May with whip and tongue, but additionally to the parafilm i enclosed the whole graft in a brown paper bag until it took and had some leafs in it.
This season i've tried chip grafting in late August, with fresh cuttings (thanks, Francisco). I'm curious on the outcome. In a few weeks i will try to post the results.

Thanks again for the wonderful opportunity to learn.


dannisboots,

Parafilm - http://www.amazon.com/Parafilm%C2%AE-Grafting-Tape-Genuine-Clear/dp/B0085OFNVE/ref=sr_1_3?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1441722946&sr=1-3&keywords=parafilm

It protects, letting the graft breath while keeping the moisture inside and the young buds break it without any problems - worth every penny...
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WOW Such a wonderful tree! A labor of love... that is certain.
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Quite impressive feat.

But not so impressive as this one.
Here we have 250 varieties of apple grafted to a single tree over a period of 24! years. This man was hit with a strong strain of the "fruit virus". Talk about patience!!

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The complete story - HERE  

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bumping this amazing thread! This is what I plan on doing in the coming years since I don't have much room in my yard for more trees. I plan on using my ficus auriculata as the rootstock since it's such a vigorous grower here. I hope it's compatible and won't give me problems.
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By the way, how did the Frankenfig perform this year ? Was she productive ?
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Ok so of all the amazing things I have been exposed to here on the forum, this takes the cake.  WOW.  AMaZing and mind boggling.  This is so cool.  I have plans to try grafting after I get over the shock of rooting/cloning.  These plants have so much energy and determination to grow, it is really incredible.  Thanks for bringing this story back up for us newbies.  ;-) 
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This was a wet year, and I had a disappointing fig season as a result.  Most of my figs rotted on the tree.

The best were the rootstock (a celeste type), a neighbor's celeste, improved celeste (some rotted, the eye is almost closed), Champagne, LSU purple, and Jimmychang's Unk Bronx White.  There are several varieties that have yet to produce well and the jury is out.


Many of the varieties are going to be culled this winter, and I will be on the prowl this for replacements that are closed eye varieties.

Anyone who has cuttings or can advise on good candidates is invited to contact me in PM or in this thread.

THough I haven't updated this thread in a while, I never stop taking pics, and I'll be updating soon.
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Hi brackishfigger,
Have you tried: Longue d'aout, Dalmatie, Pingo de Mel, Desert King ?
They all have sort of closed eyes. Here for the second (for the first crop too) crop it can be wet too, and those perform well.
Dalmatie is able to ripen figs even within two weeks of rain. Of course, I'm not under the tropics, so you might get more air-humidity than I do ...
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The air is chewy down here, and two weeks without rain is a drought!  Sort of closed eyes?  None of those types went unspoiled this year.  Very disappointing.  Crushing after a year of waiting for next season.

thanks, though. . .  keep'em coming
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Posted Reply with quote  #142 
My oldest on 2/28/16, the same "child" in the first pic of this thread.  13yo, 6' tall and 195#, size 14 feet, starts 8th grade tomorrow.  We grow'em big!

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