My Negronne, sub branches leaves are different than main branch

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eddydarmawan

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Posted 1444866155 · Edited	Reply with quote #1

Hi Fig Lovers, My Negronne fig, the main branch have a right leaves with single lob (spade looks).... but another new sub branches raising with finger lobs... why? Will this impact for the taste quality (crop) from main branch vs sub branches? Thanks for your opinion.. Best regards, Eddy __________________ Growing on pot: Green Jordan, Yellow Fig, Brown Turkey, Hardy Chicago, Red Israel, Ischia Black, Blue Giant, Negronne, Panache, Red Libya.

Charlie

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Posted 1444867148	Reply with quote #2

The lower five lobe ones look like Negronne. I don't have a clue about the single lobe ones. Is it a grafted tree? __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

eddydarmawan

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Posted 1444867232	Reply with quote #3

This is a crop from main branch. The taste is sweet, a little dry, and chewy... very nice taste compare from another variant fig. __________________ Growing on pot: Green Jordan, Yellow Fig, Brown Turkey, Hardy Chicago, Red Israel, Ischia Black, Blue Giant, Negronne, Panache, Red Libya.

eddydarmawan

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Posted 1444867364 · Edited	Reply with quote #4

Quote: Originally Posted by Charlie The lower five lobe ones look like Negronne. I don't have a clue about the single lobe ones. Is it a grafted tree? Hi Charlie, this fig not from grafted tree... its original tree... __________________ Growing on pot: Green Jordan, Yellow Fig, Brown Turkey, Hardy Chicago, Red Israel, Ischia Black, Blue Giant, Negronne, Panache, Red Libya.

coop951

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Posted 1444870515 · Edited	Reply with quote #5

Hi Very curious looking. Negronne is famous for its finger leaves. The spade leaves look like something else. The figs look right though. __________________ Coop Northern NJ Zone 7a

figpig_66

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Posted 1444874107	Reply with quote #6

Quote: Originally Posted by Charlie The lower five lobe ones look like Negronne. I don't have a clue about the single lobe ones. Is it a grafted tree? My tree is bigger and has all single lobed leaves except one branch that looks like a vdb. Not sure what it is for sure but has about 20 figs that are turning black but are still hard and about as big as a nickle. Peps say this happens alot with vdb. I got a 600m. that had all long finger leaves i pulled them because they were damaged from shipping. They all grew,back single lobed leaves __________________ RICHIE BONI HICKORY LOUISIANA ZONE 8B WARM HUMID WINRERS ARE VERY MILD LOW 20'S BUT WARMS RIGHT UP DURING THE DAY. SUMMER IS EXTREMELY HOT & HUMID 100 degrees 100% humidity fig tree grow like crazy but some split from rain & humidity Wish list. Col de dame blanc Col de rimada Lsu numbered figs

figpig_66

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Posted 1444874566	Reply with quote #7

This happens quite often. Vdb &. Nero 600m. I pulled leaves off my 600 because of damage and all grew back spade. Also have negronne that is a fair size that has all spade leaves and one branch with finger leaves. Will take pic in morning for a comparison. Strange how,this,happens. There is a tread on this topic on this forum somewhere lol. Richie from louisiana __________________ RICHIE BONI HICKORY LOUISIANA ZONE 8B WARM HUMID WINRERS ARE VERY MILD LOW 20'S BUT WARMS RIGHT UP DURING THE DAY. SUMMER IS EXTREMELY HOT & HUMID 100 degrees 100% humidity fig tree grow like crazy but some split from rain & humidity Wish list. Col de dame blanc Col de rimada Lsu numbered figs

eddydarmawan

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Posted 1444875180 · Edited	Reply with quote #8

Quote: Originally Posted by coop951 Hi Very curious looking. Negronne is famous for its finger leaves. The spade leaves look like something else. The figs look right though. Yes, agreed with you Coop951... something unique from negronne leaves is Spade leaves. __________________ Growing on pot: Green Jordan, Yellow Fig, Brown Turkey, Hardy Chicago, Red Israel, Ischia Black, Blue Giant, Negronne, Panache, Red Libya.

eddydarmawan

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Posted 1444877233 · Edited	Reply with quote #9

Quote: Originally Posted by figpig_66 This happens quite often. Vdb &. Nero 600m. I pulled leaves off my 600 because of damage and all grew back spade. Also have negronne that is a fair size that has all spade leaves and one branch with finger leaves. Will take pic in morning for a comparison. Strange how,this,happens. There is a tread on this topic on this forum somewhere lol. Richie from louisiana Hi Richie... nice, and waiting for your pict tomorrow :) Maybe mature branch and already stable will producing single spade leaves... and new younger branches which not stable will produce five lob leaves... and need time changing to single spade leaves... __________________ Growing on pot: Green Jordan, Yellow Fig, Brown Turkey, Hardy Chicago, Red Israel, Ischia Black, Blue Giant, Negronne, Panache, Red Libya.

Ohiofig42

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Posted 1444879474	Reply with quote #10

Hi Eddy, My Violette de Bordeaux which I think is also Negronne grew the same way as your Negronne with different leaves for a couple of years and resumed growing finger like leaves. Figpig66 I believe that your Nero 600M is also called Vallecalda. Phil from Ohio

figpig_66

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Thanks phil. Going to search for info on vallecalda __________________ RICHIE BONI HICKORY LOUISIANA ZONE 8B WARM HUMID WINRERS ARE VERY MILD LOW 20'S BUT WARMS RIGHT UP DURING THE DAY. SUMMER IS EXTREMELY HOT & HUMID 100 degrees 100% humidity fig tree grow like crazy but some split from rain & humidity Wish list. Col de dame blanc Col de rimada Lsu numbered figs

eddydarmawan

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Quote: Originally Posted by Ohiofig42 Hi Eddy, My Violette de Bordeaux which I think is also Negronne grew the same way as your Negronne with different leaves for a couple of years and resumed growing finger like leaves. Figpig66 I believe that your Nero 600M is also called Vallecalda. Phil from Ohio Hi Phil, Thanks for your info... what the dominan leaves from your VDB Phil.. Single lobs or 5 lobs? Regards, Eddy __________________ Growing on pot: Green Jordan, Yellow Fig, Brown Turkey, Hardy Chicago, Red Israel, Ischia Black, Blue Giant, Negronne, Panache, Red Libya.

Yeehova

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Posted 1444905213	Reply with quote #13

My VDB has one branch of spade leaves and the rest with fingers. __________________ Brian Wish list: Col de Dame

musillid

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Posted 1444907873	Reply with quote #14

I have a Salce the same way. The original cutting is the main growth with spade leaves for three years now, but the suckers from the bottom of the trunk are multi-lobed. The spade-leaf growth has not fruited. The new growth with muti-lobed leaves has. __________________ Dale non compost mentis in Zone 6a

eddydarmawan

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Quote: Originally Posted by Yeehova My VDB has one branch of spade leaves and the rest with fingers. Hi Yeehova and Musilid, How about the crop taste from both branch/leaves... are they same quality? regards, Eddy __________________ Growing on pot: Green Jordan, Yellow Fig, Brown Turkey, Hardy Chicago, Red Israel, Ischia Black, Blue Giant, Negronne, Panache, Red Libya.

Yeehova

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Posted 1444950926	Reply with quote #16

I haven't tasted it yet. I got it from Wellspring as a TC plant and it grew only finger leaves last year. I planted it outside and it died to the ground. This year it gave me two types of leaves and no figs. I am going to prune it back to a single stem and hippie for the best this year. __________________ Brian Wish list: Col de Dame

pitangadiego

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Posted 1444951539	Reply with quote #17

Negronne/Violette de Bordeaux sometimes have single lobed leaves. It is weird, but it does happen. Quite possible that next year it will have traditional lobed leaves, or it might stay like it is for 2-3 years and then change. Welcome to figs. My Vista OL (Violette de Bordeaux) had single lov=bed leaves for about 5 years. I though I had mis-labeled it until it finally grew normal looking leaves. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

figpig_66

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Posted 1444952228	Reply with quote #18

Here is my tree that has same fruit on both types of branches. Just one branch has finger type leaves. Fruit is still very hard Attached Images 2015-10-15_18.32.36.jpg (364.33 KB, 27 views) 2015-10-15_18.32.58.jpg (370.27 KB, 27 views) 2015-10-15_18.31.42.jpg (229.76 KB, 24 views) 2015-10-15_18.32.07.jpg (296.09 KB, 22 views) __________________ RICHIE BONI HICKORY LOUISIANA ZONE 8B WARM HUMID WINRERS ARE VERY MILD LOW 20'S BUT WARMS RIGHT UP DURING THE DAY. SUMMER IS EXTREMELY HOT & HUMID 100 degrees 100% humidity fig tree grow like crazy but some split from rain & humidity Wish list. Col de dame blanc Col de rimada Lsu numbered figs

eddydarmawan

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Posted 1444952447	Reply with quote #19

Quote: Originally Posted by Yeehova I haven't tasted it yet. I got it from Wellspring as a TC plant and it grew only finger leaves last year. I planted it outside and it died to the ground. This year it gave me two types of leaves and no figs. I am going to prune it back to a single stem and hippie for the best this year. good luck Yeehova :) __________________ Growing on pot: Green Jordan, Yellow Fig, Brown Turkey, Hardy Chicago, Red Israel, Ischia Black, Blue Giant, Negronne, Panache, Red Libya.

eddydarmawan

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Posted 1444952948	Reply with quote #20

Quote: Originally Posted by figpig_66 Here is my tree that has same fruit on both types of branches. Just one branch has finger type leaves. Fruit is still very hard YES, your negrone case is absolutely identic with my negrone... I had tasted for crops from branch with spade leaves... its very deliciouse... now i'm waiting for the crops to be ripen from other branch with finger leaves... i will update again next :) __________________ Growing on pot: Green Jordan, Yellow Fig, Brown Turkey, Hardy Chicago, Red Israel, Ischia Black, Blue Giant, Negronne, Panache, Red Libya.

eddydarmawan

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Posted 1444953118	Reply with quote #21

Quote: Originally Posted by pitangadiego Negronne/Violette de Bordeaux sometimes have single lobed leaves. It is weird, but it does happen. Quite possible that next year it will have traditional lobed leaves, or it might stay like it is for 2-3 years and then change. Welcome to figs. My Vista OL (Violette de Bordeaux) had single lov=bed leaves for about 5 years. I though I had mis-labeled it until it finally grew normal looking leaves. Hi Diego, Have u tasted the crops from both different leaves? its same quality? regards, Eddy __________________ Growing on pot: Green Jordan, Yellow Fig, Brown Turkey, Hardy Chicago, Red Israel, Ischia Black, Blue Giant, Negronne, Panache, Red Libya.

figpig_66

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Posted 1444954380	Reply with quote #22

Quote: Originally Posted by eddydarmawan Quote: Originally Posted by figpig_66 Here is my tree that has same fruit on both types of branches. Just one branch has finger type leaves. Fruit is still very hard YES, your negrone case is absolutely identic with my negrone... I had tasted for crops from branch with spade leaves... its very deliciouse... now i'm waiting for the crops to be ripen from other branch with finger leaves... i will update again next :) I never tasted a negronne before. Looking forward to it. __________________ RICHIE BONI HICKORY LOUISIANA ZONE 8B WARM HUMID WINRERS ARE VERY MILD LOW 20'S BUT WARMS RIGHT UP DURING THE DAY. SUMMER IS EXTREMELY HOT & HUMID 100 degrees 100% humidity fig tree grow like crazy but some split from rain & humidity Wish list. Col de dame blanc Col de rimada Lsu numbered figs

eddydarmawan

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Posted 1445001671	Reply with quote #23

some new crops shows up from branch with spade leaves some new crops shows up from branch with finger leaves not ripen yet... must waiting to make sure the taste quality is same or different from branch with spade leaves.. __________________ Growing on pot: Green Jordan, Yellow Fig, Brown Turkey, Hardy Chicago, Red Israel, Ischia Black, Blue Giant, Negronne, Panache, Red Libya.

Feigenbaum

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Posted 1445003360	Reply with quote #24

Negronne always show two types of leaves. The round, mulberry style ones and the lobed ones... Even on the Pierre Baud (Provence France) website it is mentioned. __________________ Hi from Germany! (Zone 7b) Christian

Feigenbaum

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My french Negronne Attached Images 2015-10-16_16.12.27.jpg (976.62 KB, 19 views) __________________ Hi from Germany! (Zone 7b) Christian

eddydarmawan

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Posted 1445035045	Reply with quote #26

Quote: Originally Posted by Feigenbaum My french Negronne Yes, maybe this variant from hybrid... __________________ Growing on pot: Green Jordan, Yellow Fig, Brown Turkey, Hardy Chicago, Red Israel, Ischia Black, Blue Giant, Negronne, Panache, Red Libya.

Ohiofig42

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Posted 1445040368	Reply with quote #27

Hi Eddy, All of my VDB limbs carry 5 lobe finger leaves now. You may get different leaf variation again when you transplant your young VDB. Phil from Ohio

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Posted 1445057152	Reply with quote #28

Leaf shape doesn't affect flavor. I have seen Negronne with 1 lobe, 3-lobed, 5 lobed, and 7 lobed leaves. The 3-lobes are very distinctive for the variety, but certainly not the only ones they grow. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

eddydarmawan

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Posted 1445090325	Reply with quote #29

Quote: Originally Posted by pitangadiego Leaf shape doesn't affect flavor. I have seen Negronne with 1 lobe, 3-lobed, 5 lobed, and 7 lobed leaves. The 3-lobes are very distinctive for the variety, but certainly not the only ones they grow. Sounds good if not effect to flavor/taste.. Thanks Diego for your information :) __________________ Growing on pot: Green Jordan, Yellow Fig, Brown Turkey, Hardy Chicago, Red Israel, Ischia Black, Blue Giant, Negronne, Panache, Red Libya.

eddydarmawan

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Posted 1445090382	Reply with quote #30

Quote: Originally Posted by Ohiofig42 Hi Eddy, All of my VDB limbs carry 5 lobe finger leaves now. You may get different leaf variation again when you transplant your young VDB. Phil from Ohio Hi Phil.. Yes.. VDB also identic with negrone.. __________________ Growing on pot: Green Jordan, Yellow Fig, Brown Turkey, Hardy Chicago, Red Israel, Ischia Black, Blue Giant, Negronne, Panache, Red Libya.

coop951

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Posted 1445091650	Reply with quote #31

Lots of interesting Negronne information here. I have one that is growing in a Bills Figs container that I bought from him. It's a real winner and has that jelly bomb flavor that I love __________________ Coop Northern NJ Zone 7a

eddydarmawan

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another my little negronne fig... half spades leaves, half 3 lobs leaves in one branch... :D Attached Images DSC00050S.jpg (522.97 KB, 11 views) __________________ Growing on pot: Green Jordan, Yellow Fig, Brown Turkey, Hardy Chicago, Red Israel, Ischia Black, Blue Giant, Negronne, Panache, Red Libya.

eddydarmawan

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Posted 1445096717	Reply with quote #33

Quote: Originally Posted by coop951 Lots of interesting Negronne information here. I have one that is growing in a Bills Figs container that I bought from him. It's a real winner and has that jelly bomb flavor that I love Agreed with you Coop :D __________________ Growing on pot: Green Jordan, Yellow Fig, Brown Turkey, Hardy Chicago, Red Israel, Ischia Black, Blue Giant, Negronne, Panache, Red Libya.

MichaelTucson

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Posted 1445143246	Reply with quote #34

This is not so unusual. One of my Negronne (aka Violette De Bordeaux) trees does this consistently. The other one hasn't so far (over a 4 year period). But I have an Aubique Petite tree that does this consistently... with some 7-lobed leaves, some 5-lobed leaves, occasionally 3-lobed leaves, and some "single lobed" or "entire" leaves. That tree is consistent on a limb-by-limb basis... each limb is consistent (either 7-lobed, or 5-lobed, or single), but across the whole tree it has a variety. Here's an older thread where I posted some pics: http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/aubique-petite-6571479?highlight=aubique+petite&pid=1280024675 Within that thread, it makes reference to another thread that had additional pictures of the same tree from the year before (2012 I think). Good luck with your tree... Negronne is a nice variety, and so is Aubique Petite! Regards, Mike central NY state, zone 5a __________________ Pauca sed matura.

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Posted 1445165029	Reply with quote #35

I have one that shows 3 lobes. __________________ Weather: Winter: 10C+ Summer: 42C+ Growing: Syrian Unk., Atreano, Egyptian Unk., Lebanese Unk., Col de dame Gris, Beall, Negronne, Ronde de bordeaux, Brogiotto Bianco Wish List: Panache.

eddydarmawan

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Posted 1445210274	Reply with quote #36

Quote: Originally Posted by MichaelTucson This is not so unusual. One of my Negronne (aka Violette De Bordeaux) trees does this consistently. The other one hasn't so far (over a 4 year period). But I have an Aubique Petite tree that does this consistently... with some 7-lobed leaves, some 5-lobed leaves, occasionally 3-lobed leaves, and some "single lobed" or "entire" leaves. That tree is consistent on a limb-by-limb basis... each limb is consistent (either 7-lobed, or 5-lobed, or single), but across the whole tree it has a variety. Here's an older thread where I posted some pics: http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/aubique-petite-6571479?highlight=aubique+petite&pid=1280024675 Within that thread, it makes reference to another thread that had additional pictures of the same tree from the year before (2012 I think). Good luck with your tree... Negronne is a nice variety, and so is Aubique Petite! Regards, Mike central NY state, zone 5a Thanks Mike... seeing your experience... so many kind lob of leaves from negronne fig.. very unique... :) __________________ Growing on pot: Green Jordan, Yellow Fig, Brown Turkey, Hardy Chicago, Red Israel, Ischia Black, Blue Giant, Negronne, Panache, Red Libya.

eddydarmawan

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Posted 1445210312	Reply with quote #37

Quote: Originally Posted by Speedmaster I have one that shows 3 lobes. Yes, same with my little negronne :) __________________ Growing on pot: Green Jordan, Yellow Fig, Brown Turkey, Hardy Chicago, Red Israel, Ischia Black, Blue Giant, Negronne, Panache, Red Libya.

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Posted 1445231447	Reply with quote #38

I have a local variety that shows 3 lobs, 5 lobs, 7 lobs in the same tree. __________________ Weather: Winter: 10C+ Summer: 42C+ Growing: Syrian Unk., Atreano, Egyptian Unk., Lebanese Unk., Col de dame Gris, Beall, Negronne, Ronde de bordeaux, Brogiotto Bianco Wish List: Panache.

eddydarmawan

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Posted 1445246177	Reply with quote #39

Quote: Originally Posted by Speedmaster I have a local variety that shows 3 lobs, 5 lobs, 7 lobs in the same tree. Hi... speedmaster, whats the name of your local variant ?? __________________ Growing on pot: Green Jordan, Yellow Fig, Brown Turkey, Hardy Chicago, Red Israel, Ischia Black, Blue Giant, Negronne, Panache, Red Libya.

Kristen

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Mine is exactly the same. I have heard that this is very common. Im not sure why though. __________________ Kristen

eddydarmawan

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Posted 1445340951	Reply with quote #41

Quote: Originally Posted by Kristen Mine is exactly the same. I have heard that this is very common. Im not sure why though. seems so many member here had same case with negronne... i agreed with you :) __________________ Growing on pot: Green Jordan, Yellow Fig, Brown Turkey, Hardy Chicago, Red Israel, Ischia Black, Blue Giant, Negronne, Panache, Red Libya.

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