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My Persimmons tree

I don't believe cuttings will root. I tried to air layer one once, and it didn't work. Your best bet is to buy one from a nursery, or get a seedling and graft your own. There are lots of people willing to share scions but first you need a rootstock.

I have tried to root several varieties and ended up buying grafted trees....astringent and non-astringent.

I believe these trees are too large for a pot.
I know if you grow one from a root sapling, it might not bare fruit.

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Originally Posted by Vladis
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Yes, im thinking I can try grafting a couple of branches. What do i have to lose?

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Originally Posted by figlayla
wow i didn't know these would grow in Long Island.  will these fruit if potted and not in ground?  I would be interested in cuttings to try and root as as my wife and i love persimmon but they are very expensive so its often a treat when we get them.  Ill have to do some research on persimmon trees.  Were can i get one around here? is the temperament similar to that of a fig tree were it needs to be brought in for winter etc...


Thanks, PeteC. I have read the last article. The other two i had not. I will try bone meal first to see if anything changes in the next few months. The flowers that my persimmon has look male but im not sure. I will examin them next time it flowers. It would be nice if we had fruit again.

Yum!

Great info on persimmons! I may have to go buy another one now!!

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Originally Posted by PeterC
I always save the tree tags, this is exactly the one I have.

Meg, that is odd that it is not producing anymore. I have no idea why this would be.
You are missing out on many years of delicious fruit thought

I used to save tags all the time but after a couple of moves i threw them out

I've grafted a few other varieties onto my Hachiya. It's pretty easy, and might be a work-around solution for a tree that isn't producing. At any rate, it's fun to see the different types, and compare them. For example, these are Saijo (first season producing--I hope they're bigger next year). Saijo, Tamopan, and Matsumoto are all grafted onto the upper branches of my Hachiya, and are producing.
2015-10-05 saijo rdc.jpg 

I have two Saijo trees one is larger than the other, the small Saijo tree had less fruit on it this year, but the fruit was larger than the ones on the larger Saijo tree...as you may know less fruit on a fruit tree usually gets larger fruit....some folks take the time to thin some of the fruit so the ones left on the tree get larger.

Carl
Louisiana
Zone 8B

Looking for Tamopan cuttings.

Carl

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Originally Posted by TucsonKen
I've grafted a few other varieties onto my Hachiya. It's pretty easy, and might be a work-around solution for a tree that isn't producing. At any rate, it's fun to see the different types, and compare them. For example, these are Saijo (first season producing--I hope they're bigger next year). Saijo, Tamopan, and Matsumoto are all grafted onto the upper branches of my Hachiya, and are producing.
2015-10-05 saijo rdc.jpg 


TucsonKen: its good to hear about first hand success. Do u graft several branches of the same type? What grafting method do you find works best for your persimmons?

That is awesome, I never tried grafting anything yet. So much I need to learn, God willing, I have the time to learn and try it.

A couple of generous forum members gave me the opportunity to do some persimmon grafting. One shared scions from his various cultivars, and the other sent a dozen or so seedlings (for rootstocks) left over from his large-scale grafting project. Since the scions arrived before the rootstocks were ready for grafting, I top-worked the scions onto my mature Hachiya, simply as a place to store them. The following year, when the seedlings were ideal for grafting, I clipped new scions from the established grafts, and grafted several new trees for myself, friends and family. Most of the original grafts are still on the Hachiya and doing fine, although one variety (Eureka) didn't survive its second year. I did graft several of one type onto the tree, just as insurance.

Here's a post from back when I was first starting to graft, describing the steps I used:

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/simple-stepbystep-grafting-5830743?

I am sure there are other methods that will work, but I found this approach to be quite reliable and easy. Here are the original instructions I learned from--they are better than the description I posted, and far more detailed. However, to see the photos you'll need to register with the Citrus Growers Forum:

http://citrus.forumup.org/about500-citrus.html

A couple of questions for growing persimmons in cool climates like zone 6;

Is there a list of cold hardy Persimmons that would survive to 0F/-18C or colder? 
Does the graft union need to be protected for the winter?
Thanks

Here Pino, this can explain:   http://homeguides.sfgate.com/cold-climate-persimmon-trees-30343.html

this gets more detailed about the varieties and zones:

https://www.garden.org/ediblelandscaping/?page=Edible-of-the-MonthPersimmon

not sure about the graft unions though

My Fuyu is over 15 years old and very productive.  My Saijo is 2 years old and growing very vigorously, but no fruit yet.  When I get some Saijo fruit (next year, I hope!), I ant to try the warm water method mentioned in this video:

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Originally Posted by HarveyC
My Fuyu is over 15 years old and very productive.  My Saijo is 2 years old and growing very vigorously, but no fruit yet.  When I get some Saijo fruit (next year, I hope!), I ant to try the warm water method mentioned in this video:


Havey, that sounds like my situation with my persimmon.  I will check out this video...

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Originally Posted by TucsonKen
A couple of generous forum members gave me the opportunity to do some persimmon grafting. One shared scions from his various cultivars, and the other sent a dozen or so seedlings (for rootstocks) left over from his large-scale grafting project. Since the scions arrived before the rootstocks were ready for grafting, I top-worked the scions onto my mature Hachiya, simply as a place to store them. The following year, when the seedlings were ideal for grafting, I clipped new scions from the established grafts, and grafted several new trees for myself, friends and family. Most of the original grafts are still on the Hachiya and doing fine, although one variety (Eureka) didn't survive its second year. I did graft several of one type onto the tree, just as insurance.

Here's a post from back when I was first starting to graft, describing the steps I used:

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/simple-stepbystep-grafting-5830743?

I am sure there are other methods that will work, but I found this approach to be quite reliable and easy. Here are the original instructions I learned from--they are better than the description I posted, and far more detailed. However, to see the photos you'll need to register with the Citrus Growers Forum:

http://citrus.forumup.org/about500-citrus.html



How wonderful, Carl! It's encouraging to hear that your grafting has worked out.  I will check out the links you provided.

I love to eat persimmons and i have planted about 10 trees, all my trees are astringent unknown variety with good taste and good sized fruits.

My tree with fruits from last year video.

Nice video, great looking fruit.... thank you for sharing....

Could you guys give me some insight on when pruning should begin?  I hear that you don't want to prune for while because you want a tall central leader but when should you begin if you want to harvest easily?

Love to see persimmons. Thanks for sharing! Need to check around to get a hold of some seedlings!