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Please, if any one know what I can do..
I today check my Violet de Bordeaux and find out nematod on  roots...
I was looking for a treatment on Internet.. just in case before.. And some saying you need get rid off sick plants, some telling keep change soil again and again.. Please, if any one know what I can do to cure the plant..
I check couple other plants I got from same person and they also sick.. So, I'm very worry now...
I know this sound may be crazy..But I clean roots from soil, cut all sick roots and put plant in a backet with water and Pine Sol for a few minutes and after this I plant it in a new pot with a new soil..I get rid off old soil and roots...
If this will work I will leave a post..
But if anybody know what can be done, please, I need help..
Thank you!
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Hope that your RKN-sick fig is still potted?
(else it is a real lost-cause nightmare)...

Quarantine the (radio-active!) potted fig.

Air-layer the whole main trunk/stem,  ~ 2'" above soil level.
When done, DISPOSE bottom stump/root-ball (very) safely
(do not compost!) .

Else, you can also  just take some good-top-cuttings and try to "root" them.

Good luck...


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all plants in pots..
So, you think no hope to cure sick plants?
I don't got too many from this person..
I check other plants they all good..
But, may be I can treat sick plants some how???
In my life..I find out.. you never can give up..you always need to fight, and you always must look and you will find the way...
I will see how this plant I work today will do...
I have a pain trees and I can tell you.. No problems and all in area where they grow.. Actually not many plants can grow around them also..Acid from pine don't allow it..
And lately I find out you not only can clean with Pine sol, but if you will wash your pet with shampoo with added Pine Sol in it will real kill flea and mite and mange on your pet.. So, must be this is a very strong stuff...
This is why I put plant in backet with water and Pine soil...
I will keep looking..I need to find the way...
Thank you very much for your respond..
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Air layering is the best option. It's easy to do and you won't lose any of the plants size. I don't see any reason to try to save the original root system when airlayering is so easy. 

Also, make sure you don't place the pot with the infected tree directly on your soil. 

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Thank you!
I find on this forum previous info about netatode..
This is very interesting..I like idea about lime.. I don't think I will do sugar..
And today after I remove all damage roots , they was for a few without soil and they dry up.. And I don't know why but I think this was good to put a plant in Pian Sol solution with water, so I must be kill all netatode with it..
But, just to be safe..I think I will put a lime tomorrow in each pot...
I have a salty water, so this will be good for plants even from this point...
I will love to treat sick plants and make them healthy, this may work in the future for somebody else...
I afraid to use hot water...
But, what I didn't know before.. Actually any one can have this problems and with other plants too, so this is could be great to be able to cure plants without just trashing them...
If somebody find 100% result, please, share...
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Olga:Please do what jsvand58 said,about not placing the pot on soil anymore.
Place a plastic bag or ,other piece of havy duty plastic,under the pots with nematode,so you do not infest all your garden with nematode. Very Important.
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Thank you! I will.. Actually tomorrow I will try to check all plants, this is will be little bit difficult with 500 or more plants..
But..I real will need to treat all my property..I was moving plants around.. And I think this plants was here for a few month, so just put a plastic bag..Little bit too late, but I will do...
Funny, but all this plants come from one person, who you can't stand...
So, good nematode for a property and individual treatment for each sick one...
Thank you every one!
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Hello Olga,

I see that you live in Florida. Some of the soils in Florida are pretty sandy soils and that is the kind of soil that nematodes love. If your property has been used for farming operations in the past, it it very likely that your soil already is infested with Nematodes. If your ground is already infested, your putting plants directly on the ground might have infected your potted plants with Nematodes. So your supplier might not have been at fault.

It is very important to always check newly received fig plants for Nematodes no matter how reputable the source. FYI, some Agricultural Extension Services can test your soil for Nematodes. It is very difficult to rid infested soils of nematodes because the chemicals that would do the job have been banned by EPA. Dr. O'Rourke gives some suggestions in his book (Gardening in the Hot Humid South) on how to lower Nematode populations in soil.

Recent information suggests that using a calcium carbonate mulch (like crushed limestone, or shell grit for chickens) will help keep nematode populations in check.......enough to where your fig tree can grow and produce fruit.  It is very difficult for fig trees growing in sandy soil to thrive when infested with Nematodes.......the root damage keeps them from getting enough nutrients and water.

Sounds like you will be planting an orchard with your 500 plants. If that is the case, I would suggest that you contact your County Agent and get his advice before you put all of those trees in the ground. If it is just a few potted plants that have nematodes, that is one thing. However, if you ground soil itself is infested......that is a completely different matter.

Best of luck to you.

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Per Ray Givan from Georgia, he mentioned in a video that by placing a potted fig that has RKN in top of an ant hole, he was able to get rid of the nematode. 
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Hi!
I check..I don't have this problems with all plants, just a few , they all come from the same place..
I have 2 huge figs trees in a ground.. No nematode on they roots..
I have ants all over.. And I try to get rid off them, but.. can't.. And I was thinking they can help, so I stop trying..
I have a friend here.. And because of him..I became a figs nut...
He have a Golden Celeste in a ground..He put lots of mulch around a tree..Never watering, never feed the tree.. And this tree huge with lots of figs on it...
He live right around corner from me...
So, I still have a hope..I will be able to deal with this problem..
For a long, long time..I cure people and animals.. And..I try to do my best don't use traditional medicine...And I have better success then many vet or doctors..
I just always try keep looking, studying.. And I always finding a cure...
So, this plants, just my patients right now..
I will try to do my best..
And I hope I will have a success this time too...
I have neem oil here, but..very difficult to mix with water...
Neem oil use same like a Pine Sol on pets..
So, may be will work with nematodes too..
Thank you every one!
Nematode a big peoblem...But I hope this can be deal with..
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Ok, I put all 13 sick plants away from the rest, put each of them on a pile with aunts, put lime and fertilazer in each pot..
Next week, I will put or benefishial nematodes or  Diatomaceous Earth..
I went to Hope Depot today and guy I talk have lots of info..He told me about Diatomaceous Earth.. Also about crushed seseme seed shells.. Also cow manuvre and pit moss...
So, My VdB standing separate from all other figs..Look good today..If I will see great grows next few days..This is will mean Pine Sol working too...
And benefishial nematodes very easy to buy on Internet..
So, I will try everything with one week period.. And hopefully something will work...

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I am not really understanding why you don't want to just airlayer the infected plants and throw away the infected rootball but it's up to you. Good luck.
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Don't people who live in areas with sandy soils usually dig out a large area from where they want to plant the trees and then mix in large amounts of good garden soil, mulch, compost and mix it in well to make sure there is a lot of rich matter to feed good soil critters that will decemate (keep down) nematodes? 

Earthworms help, as well.  It would seem that anything that enriches the sandy soil with organic matter that will host good bacteria would help and be worth the work and expense of preparing a better planting site.

And don't ignore the sugar thing.  I doubt it has any effect upon the nematodes directly, but it feeds good bacteria, which destroy nematodes. 

James Robin uses the sugar and all of the fig trees I've gotten from him (6) are in great root condition and the little pots were loaded with earthworms.  I got one little plant in a 2 gallon container that had 8 earthworms in it.  When I repotted the baby, I put the earthworms into my raised planter that had one of the Celeste trees in it, then scared myself because I was afraid that earthworms might spread nematodes, ran in a panic to the forums and was then told that earthworms are a good sign.  Whew!  I sure appreciate the people on both forums.

Thanks to you all,

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This is 3 years old plants, they are  big and I want  try to save them...
But, if I will see nothing working..I will try or airlayer, or just cut and root them again...
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Hi Olga,

I wish you luck if you want to play with the nematode situation and try to find something that will kill them, but you're playing with fire and you need to keep the infected pots and plants far away from the good plants.  You need to listen to the people on this forum about that.

I would find out if my soil is already infected with the nematodes just so I would know for sure, if I were you.

I'm not sure if you were talking about putting neem oil on the roots of the plants, but wouldn't that smother the roots, covering them with oil, or is it a different kind of oil from other plant oils?  Pinesol isn't really an oil, or if it is, it's water-soluble somehow.

If you do have a gift for healing, it would be a shame to ignore it, but do your experimenting in a place that won't contaminate the good soil, or plants.  :)

Best of luck.  I figure, if it won't do harm, then experiment.  Who knows who might come up with something that really does work, just because it might not seem like something that would work.

Also, I would air layer at least the top two-thirds of your infected trees and, when they are well-rooted, put those into pots with good soil and then experiment with the bottom parts of the trees that are infected because they will grow again and if you do something to them that kills that bottom part of the original trees, you will still have the top parts which would be healthy.

If you can, take pictures of the plants with the infected roots (Pictures of the tops and the roots showing the nematode swellings) and write down what you do to each plant and when you do it, and what you used.

Now, keep us informed of what you find out,

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Hi, Noss!
You real have a great idea..
I will see what I can do..
And I will try to make a pics, only I read people have difficulty with putting pics here..
About playing with fire..
I do playing with fire for a very long time..
Do you see..I got a medical degree  and became a doctor long time from now..
And when I was only 18...I find out I have a blood canser..
My doctor told me.. you have 5 years.. no hope, no cure..
Now 25 years later..I'm still here..Because I never give up.. And I manage not only stay alive...I'm try kill myself with work all this time..
So, playing with this problem... I hope.. everything will be just right..
But..Yes I will see if something working and let everyone know..

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Hi Olga,

Someone here can help you to post pictures when the time comes.

I'm glad you are still on this earth with us.  It's so good to hear a story like yours and I can see why you would be eager to experiment and see if you can find answers that could help.  I really hope you do discover something that will kill nematodes.

Where are you from, originally?  Don't answer that if you think I'm being nosy.  :)

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Hi, Noss!
I'm Russian and I come here from Ukraine 10 years from now...
I was thinking about nematodes problem..
First I was thinking to order good nematodes and put them Sunday on plants..
But now I think I will do something different..
If we already know nematodes don't like lime, fertilazer, cow manuvre, pitt moss..I decide I will clean my sick plants from land, cut all damage roots, dip them in Pine Sol and after this I will put them in pots with mix from organic compost, cow manuvre, pitt moss, lime, fertilazer and perlite..
I think this will naturally take care about nematode..
I check my VdB this morning before I went to work.. She look good, not worst.. So, I just will give her time to heal..
Now, why Pine Sol..
For a long time I know you need be very careful with it, because yor pets or children can get real sick from it..Pine Sol a very toxic...
Yes, Neem oil, also a plant and work different, basically they can't breeze.. if you can say so..But again neem iol very toxic..I know this because last year I try put it on my dogs and I got a real toxic poison on myself, hear bad...
But I know this is very difficult to mix neem oil with water, on other hands Pine Sol mix very easy..
So, I think I will do this way..Because this way sick plants will move in healthy mix and sooner...
If any one have idea about mix like this can damage roots, please, let me know...
I deal with worms in pets and people quit often .. So, I have idea how to use ivermectin .. And evermectin will kill more then 33 different worms.. So, I think about this too..
I just need to think about this little longer..I know I will find a answer...
But if plants can be save this way, this is good for many people..
Easy decision, not always the best, they just moving economy...
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Now wouldn't that be something, if an animal deworming solution could kill nematodes in the soil like it does in the animals?  But would it kill the plants, as well?  I may root some fig plants to see if it would hurt them.

Also, would the plant suck up the Ivermectin and deposit it into the fruit?  It is a poison.  Are people given Ivermectin? 

Ivermectin is used in heartworm preventive such as Heartgard.  Is it used to kill roundworms in dogs, horses and cattle?  Roundworms are nematodes.  (I worked for a vet for 20 years.)  It's used to kill scabies in dogs (sarcoptic mange) and has also been tried against demodex mange.

If Ivermectin worked, you could let the tree rest a couple of years while observing it to see if the nematodes would return, or if the Ivermectin would really destroy them in the soil and the plant.  I doubt it would be as poisonous as the treatments for nematodes that have been banned, which were soil fumigants.

You certainly are a thinker, Olga, and thanks for letting me know where you are from.  You GO, Girl!  :)

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Hi, Noss!
About evermectin this is was just a idea, because this is worms killer..
And if you will go to doctor for worm treatment..I don't think they will give you ivermectin, more like a pyrantel.. for round worms..
But, my dogs eat grass.. And sometimes get worms from doing so.. And I got from them couple times.. Nothing help, so I took ivermectin.. Help me real fast.. and how you can see I'm still here..
Yes, this was scary things to do, but..I have a girls friend she is a vet.. And she have turtles .. So, she got something from them.. and took they medication.. and she still here too.. She is American.. So, basically this is was her idea, not my..
But, this is just was a idea..
But, then more I think about nematodes..I'm thinking from tomorrow I will start cutting sick roots, dip them in Pine Sol  with water and put them in this mix of soils and I hope this will work.. Also, I will read more about benefishial nematodes  and may be after this over couple of weeks will use them too...
I just will try be careful with mix of soils..
And on ground I will put Diatomaceous Earth just to sure..I afraid to put this on in a pots...
So, this is my plan.. at list for now...
And cold weather coming, of course not so cold like up north, but I think this can help too..Here during the day still hot, but at night will be cold soon..How I understand nematodes don't like heat or cold...
Nematodes just worms... something will kill them, too bed, they don't sell now nothing what real work.. can be so much easy...

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Cliffhanger....

It is almost a year later.

What happened next, Olga?

Did the trees survive?

Did the nematodes bite the dust?

What part of Florida are you in?



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Hi!
Ok, I treat around 200 figs last year.. I lost during the winter may be 5-6 trees..
Most trees done great, but some don't produce this year.. Now last week I find 4 trees have nematodes now.. So, I still don't sure what I will do.. 2 of them real big and I'm thinking to do air layer.. Even one Janice seedles now have lots of figs on it.. Must be roots grow from pots to the ground..
May be I will put good nematodes, just to see if this will work..
I was very sick last month so, I real was not be able to do nothing..
But I'm on one week vacation now, so, I will think what to do best..
From 200 trees was cure around 190.. So, this is a good result..
I got seeds marigold..I may be will put them in pots..I still don't decide..
But if somebody have small figs with nematodes, try what I did, this will work like 90%..
Good we have more options..So, I will trying other ones and see if they work..
If I will don't decide this week..I will try my method in September..Now too hot to do anything like this..Only..I think this time I will keep roots in pine soil mix longer, because plants bigger, they now in 12 gallon pots, and after this I will put them in Jangle Groth potting soil and over couple weeks will cover with lime.. I'm pretty sure this will work..
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Thanks for the update and congratulations on your good success. You are right about the heat. It is 102 in Tallahassee today with a heat index of what feels like 200. Shouldn't complain having had Irene completely miss Florida.
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Yes, I'm happy we miss this hurricane..
My small figs can't take any more rain..
Plus roof on my house in a bad shape..But we can't do nothing about this now with all rain we getting every day..
But, I'm very worry about people who got this hurricane..
Hopefully everyone will be OK..
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Olya, glade to hear it missed your area. Also glade to know that your trees are doing much better this year.



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I found this website and never thought you could air layer such a large trunk but it shows a technique that might help you but you must keep it in a pot and not have contact with nematode contaminated soil.  Air Layering  This individual has a nice website showing some unique varieties.



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Thank you very much!
This is very interesting to see what other people to do!
I may try this method on couple of my trees..
I all the time try experimenting and most time I get lucky with solutions..
I guess as lon as you looking .. you will find the answers, or cure..
Thank you very much again!
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Hi Olga,

You might want to look this link about air layering over too, it is the best one I've ever seen!


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Hi, Cecil!
Thank you! I trying this one now on Kathellen Black..
This my first air layer..So, I'm kind worry..
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I find I have nematodes on two of my oldest trees.
I planted my Jelly Fig and Green Ishia along with 3-4 other cultivars about 10 years ago.
I ignored JF&E's advice to enrich a large planting hole with at least one half mixture of pine bark or other mulch along with mushroom compost and cow manure along with half of the original soil (sand). First year lost all except the Jelly and GI. May have been the todes or my watering.
It is hard to describe how fast this North Fla sand dries out and actually repells water once dry. I think it would be hard to overwater in the summer in pure sand here.
The GI and Jelly survived,grew huge and after a couple of years produced big crops of figs. Coulda been the rabbit manure.
Then two years ago theystarted to weaken and decline.
So.... I don't know if the weakning of the trees gave the todes a foot hold, or the nematodes finally took over.
My later plantings were done with a big hole filled with pine bark,mushroom compost/cow manure, dolimitic limestone and soil, with a heavy mulch covering it all.  So far so good. Fingers crossed.
Still trying to save the two big trees with heavy mulch and compost and TLC. 
I want to try grafting onto some LSU Purple rootstock and have started several airlayers.
If all else fails I'll just airlayer the trees and go to large pots.
FWIW the ivermectrin (for livestock)MUCH Diluted, really does kill worms including heartworms in dogs. 
Wouldn't be hard to try some diluted on a potted plant that has nematodes to see if it really works.
I would advise great caution before eating figs from the treated tree though.
My best
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Hi, Dave!
My pots was cover with pine barks and before this I put in pots lots of lime and fertilizer.. I find out about nematodes when I start removing pine barks from the pots..
Nematodes like compost very much..
i remove all compost from pots..
If I will be on your place..I will try to put beneficial nematodes couple times.. And after this plant marigold or garlic under the trees..
I don't try ivermectin:-)
This was just idea..
About over watering.. Few years from now I kill couple figs with over watering here in Florida, so this is possible..
Also I think may be not a bad idea to cover all ground around trees with black plastic at list till end of summer..I don't think this will hurt your trees..
My friend have a Golden Celeste in ground..He put lots of mulch around the tree.. Tree very healthy and produce lots of figs every year..
I was hope myself on cow manurve.. After clear all roots from compost I put them in mix cow manurve, plus perlite, plus pit moss..
They don't die from nematodes, but they don't grow much, they just sitting..
But after I re pot this plants with Jangle Growth soil, they took off..
So, if I will plant any in ground..i will dig big hole and fill it with Jangle Growth soil and put lots of mulch after all..
And put lime and fertilazer 2 times in year..
Jangle Growth have pine bark in it..
I'm little bit worry about using pine bark in big amounts for a long time..
I think in the end this will kill the plant..
But in small amount I think this is Ok to use them..
Nematodes love sand, love pompost, so this is hard here in Florida to have inground trees...
I will try may be next year..
I want to wait..
Some varieties don't get sick with nematodes and all..
But some like Atreano, Mary Lane seedles will get it for sure..
So, for inground planting we may be will need to plant one what don't get sick with nematodes..
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Hello Dave,

I don't know if you have a readily available inexpensive source of compost. If you don't, you can haul away free compost from the Apalachee recycling center not to far away from where you live. It is a little "undercooked" but any organic material would benefit the sandy soil you describe and did I mention that it is free?. You might even consider planting trees in pure compost initially.

Also, I don't have LSU rootstock but I do have a huge seed grown vigorous Celeste whose cuttings I plan using as rootstock for experimental grafts next year. You can have as many cuttings as you like. If you rooted them soon, you will have plenty for for next year. Let me know if you are interestred.

Frank


Olga, I thought that one of the ways to combat nematodes was to use lots and lots of compost. In theory, compost should help provide a wide variety of beneficial bacteria, worms, fungi etc that would "crowd out" (suppress) nematodes. I may be wrong.


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Thanks for the tip on the compost Frank.

I agree . Compost and rich soil are recommended for nematode problems. I think that is one of the problems in our sandy soil,there is no organic material. Plus the soil in many areas were worn out by farming/pesticides/herbicides et al.
It may look like virgin forest,but 50 or so years it was all farm land.
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Hi, Frank!
All my plants was in compost with perlite when they got nematodes..
And I find some info.. Nematodes love sand and love compost..They don't like cow manurve and pit moss and pine barks..
Only one thing about cow manurve.. Figs seems don't real like it too, in my experience slow them down..
So, I still will continue to plant in profecional soil Jangle Growth from Lowe's, yes, this is kind expensive almost 12$ for a bag, but fig love this one and nematodes not..
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Just another thought on nematodes/compost/figs.
Some compost like 'mushroom compost' are alkaline as opposed to the normal acid compost,that needs limestone added (for figs).
Does the alkaline mushroom compost discourage nematodes because they don't like alkaline soil or does it just make the fig roots and plant happier and stronger and able to fight off the nematodes ?.
Are LSU Purple really nematode resistant , OR are they HEAT resistant (they seem to be) and therefore stronger and again,able to withstand nematode attacks ?
I picked up the bottem bag of pine bark mulch that had been stacked under a shade tree. I noted that roots had grown from the ground up into the pine bark. Could nematodes now have entered the pine bark and into my potting mix along with the roots?
Short of sterile lab conditions I think it's difficult to come to real answers as to how the todes get into our plants.
But I'm thankfull for all the ideas, as they all make us think.
Best to all.
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Rich, composty, organic matter soil is recommended for RKN control.  I think it  encourages the growth of creatures that will kill them.  Someone said lime is good, as well and Mr. Robin uses sugar in his soil.  I think the sugar promotes growth of good organisms, as well.  It feeds them.

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noss/a.k.a. Vivian Lafayette, LA Zone 9a Wish List: Col de Dame Blanc, Col de Dame Noir, Scott's Yellow, Tony's Brown Italian, any other fig that is good in the rain/humidity and has a real figgy flavor.
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