FMD
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Growing tomatoes in Florida (without drenching them in pesticides) is actually harder than most non-Floridians think. So, I am especially happy to have produced these beauties organically using earth boxes. Pictured: Kumato, Campari, Japanese Black, Black from Tula (Russian), Italian Tree Tomato, Rumana Rustica, Cuore di Bue and a family heirloom from Calabria.
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newnandawg
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Very nice Frank. I am a tomato sandwich kinda guy. LOL
Chivas
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A good sauce tomaote is zapotec pleated, it's like a cuer de bouef but different flavour a bit for me, fairly hollow but makes a nice sauce much like a good roma. How have the whiteflies been this year?
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They look great, congratulations! Why are they hard to grow there?
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Those look beautiful, Frank. Black from Tula is one of my favorites! Mine are still a few weeks away.
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Those tomatoes are beautiful! What makes them so difficult to grow - is it those pin worms? My daughter in law has stopped growing them because of the pin worms.
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Really nice looking tomatoes Frank. Way to go.
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Those look really good. I've grown Cherokee Purple the last 2 years and I really enjoy eating them.
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FMD
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The vast number of soil pathogens, air borne diseases and constant high temperatures with high humidity are not conducive to growing tomatoes. There are short growing windows in the spring to early summer and in the late fall that if threaded will lead to success. A lot of us have eliminated the soil problems by growing tomatoes in containers.
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Is that Japanese Black Trifle? If so, how do you like it? Every winter when looking through seed catalogs, I contemplate giving it a try. I can see a big plate of caprese in your future, or at least it would be in mine if I had a plate of those! They look great.
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Frank, Do you get production through the summer with these varieties? It would be great to find a good tasting tomatoe that produces through our extremely hot summers. I was so psyched to get someplace warmer only to find out it gets to hot for most veggies including tomatoes. Bummer! : (
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Nice looking tomatoes! I haven't tried growing any of the Heirloom varieties yet but have grown many Celebrities, Roma and several cherry varieties. I did try a variety called Pineapple this season. It grew great but only produced 2 fruits and they were very good. In my corner of the world its hard to beat the production and taste of a good Celebrity. The main problem we run into in my yard are the horn worms and worst of all the stink bugs. Just when they start to turn color the stink bugs attack and scare up the meat so bad its hard to eat them.
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Ah... now we are talking the same language! I have several new varieties going on and am specifically in love with a weirdo named Riesce. I got one seed, but have been taking the little suckers and grafting them into other cherry like tomatoes... so now I have a few plants. I also have an amazing ground cherry (tomatillo like) aside from many blacks I got from this forum member, (Paul Robenson, black cherry, cherokee and brandwine) those are all new to me. My plants look fantastic with many blossoms. We finally got the hot weather and they are loving. I am curious as to your tree tomato. What does that look like? post a picture. My mother had a tomato tree, it was as large as the mulberry and very prolific... but that was in Brazil. I wish I could get that seed again. your fruits look marvelous. Maybe we can trade seeds? I will have pictures soon.
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eatmoreyeah
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This year I grew 55 different cultivars. All heirloom varieties. Found a lot of keepers. I need about 1000 pounds of tomatoes to put up for the year. I make salsa, tomato sauce, tomato soup, pizza sauce, canned whole tomatoes and stewed tomatoes. Also countless mater sandwiches and BLT's!
Orange Minsk-
Dester-
Cherokee Green-
Gary O' Sena-
Fish Lake Oxheart-
Berkeley Tie-Dye-
Casey's Pure Yellow-
BTD, Solar Flare & Big Zebra-
Dora, on the scale-
Black and Brown Boar-
Russian Queen-
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Originally Posted by Grasa Ah... now we are talking the same language! I have several new varieties going on and am specifically in love with a weirdo named Riesce. I got one seed, but have been taking the little suckers and grafting them into other cherry like tomatoes... so now I have a few plants. I also have an amazing ground cherry (tomatillo like) aside from many blacks I got from this forum member, (Paul Robenson, black cherry, cherokee and brandwine) those are all new to me. My plants look fantastic with many blossoms. We finally got the hot weather and they are loving. I am curious as to your tree tomato. What does that look like? post a picture. My mother had a tomato tree, it was as large as the mulberry and very prolific... but that was in Brazil. I wish I could get that seed again. your fruits look marvelous. Maybe we can trade seeds? I will have pictures soon.
Grasa,
I've got plenty of tomato cultivars and seeds. I think at last count over 300. If there are any cultivars you are looking for please send me a message and if I have them I will send you some seeds.
All the best,
Charles
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All I can say is WOW!!!!
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greenbud
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What Smaritza said! I grow Purple Cherokee, Mr. Stripey, Sungold, San Marzano, and volunteers. Last fall I had a pot of thyme I brought in to try to winter over. A tomato seed must have dropped in there because by around Valentine's I had a 2 1/2 high plant with 3 tomatoes. Being WI they ripened in a so. window and had a tomato taste but not the intensity or sweetness of a sun grown tomato. I planted the original plant and a cutting off of it and I am impatiently waiting for a ripe tomato. They are between a cherry and a patio in size. I have grown Stupice in the past and they are very prolific and an early bearer for zone 4 folks. The taste is not as rich to me as other tomatoes but they make up for it in acceptable taste and great production. Had to have 6 ft. cages though because they went sky high. I really like the Old German big yellow/orange tomato too! Eatmoreyeah, what kind of wood did you use for the raised bed? And FMD and Eatmoreyeah, what are your favorite tomatoes for fresh and for sauce?
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Good looking tomatoes, Frank. Thanks for sharing. I was given a bunch of seeds by another friend and I misplaced them. They were some unique variants.
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The japanese black truffle is alright but if you get hybrid version of it, the tomatoes taste the same but the vigour and disease resistance is much better, more consistent size and less blossom end rot. As the vines get older and the heat comes on the tomatoes end up getting smaller too, not a bad variety though.
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Gorgeous tomatoes in here. I cut way back on tomatoes this year to fit in some new crops. I'm only growing Black Cherry, Black Krim, and Indigo Rose. I also have some kind of unknown volunteer.
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Very good looking tomatoes.
I grow Rutgers here every year. They say that's an heirloom. There is even a program going on at Rutgers to recreate it from the original crosses .
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Frank…. That is one nice dish of heirlooms, thank you for sharing.
As my profile photo suggests, you and I share a common interest in heirlooms. As do several other forum members it appears! I grow about 30 plus varieties every year, some repeat proven winners for me and some new and on trial. Aside from enjoying the fruits of my labor and sharing abundance with neighbors, I end the summer with a freezer full for winter dishes.
Charles…. You win the prize for collection of heirlooms. Wow…300! Thanks for sharing your growing layout photos and expert example of how to trim a tomato plant for optimum production. Beautiful…..!
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So what exactly is your approach to pruning tomatoe plants for max productions? Ive read to remove all lower leafs close to the ground and remove all suckers from the main cane. Also to remove leafs up to the fruiting branch once tomatoes are set. Is this close to what you do?
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Bosco Frank…. That is one nice dish of heirlooms, thank you for sharing.
As my profile photo indicates, you and I share a common interest in heirlooms. As do several other forum members it appears! I grow about 30 plus varieties every year, some repeat proven winners for me and some new and on trial. Aside from enjoying the fruits of my labor and sharing abundance with neighbors, I end the summer with a freezer full for winter dishes.
Charles…. You win the prize for collection of heirlooms. Wow…300! Thanks for sharing your growing layout photos and expert example of how to trim a tomato plant for optimum production. Beautiful…..!
Thanks for the kind words Bosco. If you'd like some seeds, just send me a PM. I started growing tomatoes single or double stem a few years ago. It dramatically increases size, uniformity and more fruit set per cluster. The also ripen about a week to ten days sooner. Overall the yield is about the same. Another reason I do it is because I'm located in Louisiana, where fungus and disease are constant. So removing the lower foliage and keeping them to single or double leaders greatly improves air circulation. It also allows me to plant more varieties this way. The raised bed in the photo is 16' x 4'. There are 16 plants in that bed. If I didn't trim them it would be 8-10 plants.
The lumber is pressure treated. I dug a trench some years back and installed PVC pipe for irrigation, then each raised bed got it's on on/off valve. I just hook up my mainline tubing and drip tape to the valve in each bed. Turn on the facet and open or close which ever bed needs watering or not. Gives me more time to enjoy an adult beverage in the shade ;).
Charles
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Bravo Frank! I appreciate the effort it takes to grow them organically. Congratulations to all of us that have home grown tomatoes. Its worth the work. I'm so happy to be back in tomato season. I've craved them for months. Now we can sneer at those plastic, glow in the dark, tasteless,bouncing freaks of nature in in the market for a while.
I composed this little ditty below while making dinner last summer and feeling jubilant because it was the first day my garden produced enough tomatoes for a family sized tomato salad. Tomato salad is a big deal all summer at my house. This dish was interesting range of colors of heirloom varieties. Brandywine, Mr. Stripy, Pink Ox Heart, Golden Jubilee, and one Identified only “Purple With Green Stripes”. to name a few of the dozen or so varieties I planted. Pomodoro insalata
I Love Tomatoes , Let Me Count The Ways
Pear shaped and Ox Hearts, oval or flat Fresh from the vine, to eat just like that. Slice them with basil and drizzle with oil Sauce them with spices or grill them in foil.
Bloody Mary’s for brunch are a nice social mix
And the juice in the morning is a hangover fix. Pomodoro insalata with fresh crusty bread Sliced cheese on the side, and wine, white or red.
Purples and yellows, pinks, reds and stripes Heirloom tomatoes are the very best types. When the frost comes and the garden is past. We fry green tomatoes and savor the last.
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FMD
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That is one awesome setup, Charles. My mind's eye sees fig trees instead of heirloom tomatoes in a project like that. But back to tomatoes...do you have the same problems with the summer heat, stopping fruit production?
Grasa, the tree tomato can grow to 20 feet or more under perfect condition, but usually grows like any other type of indeterminate variety. I think it is the same as Trip-L climbing tomato.
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Has anyone grown or tasted the "Big White" tomato? I did for curiosity because I couldn't imagine why anyone grows them when you can have beautiful colors. Well! let me tell you it's a great tasting tomato. I wont replace others but it is a nice addition with, great flavour, texture, sweet, fruity like apple or pineapple. I'm going to grow it again next year. Now I have a recipe for a white tomato soup, and i heard it makes a great salsa.
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@ Frank is there anyway you can ID that bowl of mixed tomatoes? @Eatmoreyeah That set up is wonderful. I"d like to know what all you did to make it stable, and how to you maintain the plants. do ypu prune them or picch or anything to keep them like that?
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So what exactly is your approach to pruning tomatoe plants for max productions? Ive read to remove all lower leafs close to the ground and remove all suckers from the main cane. Also to remove leafs up to the fruiting branch once tomatoes are set. Is this close to what you do?
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I have had white beauty, it's alright not great in my opinion and it can get sun scald easily.
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Could anyone ID this tomato? It's a Yellow Oxheart with some pink streaks inside. Very nice texture and flavor. It just popped out from seeds I saved from either Pink Oxheart or Pineapple Beefsteak. The summer of 2011 my tomato supports collapsed. Tomatoes don't cross pollinate freely so I'm thinking maybe when support collapsed, the resulting orgy of vines in a heap caused a cross pollination between Pink Ox heart and Pineapple Beefsteak. This has the beefsteak texture and pink streaks but heart shaped. IDK if that's long enough to consider stabilized but the seeds have reproduced the same every year since.
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SoniSoni Could anyone ID this tomato? It's a Yellow Oxheart with some pink streaks inside. Very nice texture and flavor. It just popped out from seeds I saved from either Pink Oxheart or Pineapple Beefsteak. The summer of 2011 my tomato supports collapsed. Tomatoes don't cross pollinate freely so I'm thinking maybe when support collapsed, the resulting orgy of vines in a heap caused a cross pollination between Pink Ox heart and Pineapple Beefsteak. This has the beefsteak texture and pink streaks but heart shaped. IDK if that's long enough to consider stabilized but the seeds have reproduced the same every year since.
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Originally Posted by blueboy1977 So what exactly is your approach to pruning tomatoe plants for max productions? Ive read to remove all lower leafs close to the ground and remove all suckers from the main cane. Also to remove leafs up to the fruiting branch once tomatoes are set. Is this close to what you do?
Rob……. Yes, I do pretty much what you describe. I let plants go until they are up in the 3 foot high range, by then fruit has started setting and suckers are pretty obvious. Assuming all are “indeterminate” type, I prune and trim excess foliage and suckers as the plant grows throughout the summer.
Hopefully, someone else will chime in with a more experienced approach you seek. Of coarse, you can always Google the subject, for lots of examples and info. Good luck….
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Thanks for the conformation Jack! I will try this next time I grow some maters. You all have got me very interested in the Heirloom maters! Yet another growing adventure I must persue;)
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SoniSoni @ Frank is there anyway you can ID that bowl of mixed tomatoes? @Eatmoreyeah That set up is wonderful. I"d like to know what all you did to make it stable, and how to you maintain the plants. do ypu prune them or picch or anything to keep them like that?
Hi Soni, I will try and put names to faces: Kumato- smallish black Campari - large cherry Japanese Black - medium black Black from Tula (Russian) - large black Italian Tree Tomato - large pink Rumana Rustica - oval shaped Cuore di Bue and- pinkish pointy Family heirloom from Calabria - large oblong red
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If you have thick vegetative plants you can take the leaf from behind the flowers and this will direct the energy to the flowers and tomatoes, giving better size and stretching the plant upwards more, best done as a small leaf, just be careful you don't break the head of the plant when doing this. Also you can de leaf at the bottom to get rid of older leaves but in summer time you don't want to expose too much fruit as it will make them suffer, greenhouse I will leave 2 sets bare on a mature crop, hoophouse at home I will only expose the fruit when it is half ripe. Since I am wanting to plant things again in the fall, I will pinch after 3 sets of flowers, leaving 2-3 leaves above the flowers to help prevent cracking, but I also leave a lower sucker that I will pinch at 2-3 sets of flowers as well.
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Frank et.al, Beautiful 'maters!!! I can't wait until i have some ripe ones!! Charles, (or anyone else) What are your thoughts on Dester? I am growing for the first time this year but do not have any ripe yet.
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October 2, 2011
(Thanks to Eric P. Olsen of Morristown National Historical Park for suggesting this one.)
Tomatoes were an important component in the great Columbian Exchange (the introduction of Old World animals and plants to the New World, and vice versa). Imagine the Italians without tomatoes! But Europe had no such fruit until the fifteen hundreds, when Spanish explorers discovered the tomato, a native of South America that was first cultivated in Central America, and brought it home. A myth has grown up that European colonizers thought the tomato was poisonous. This is an exaggeration. The truth is that some Englishmen believed this in the 1600s and early 1700s.
The Spanish were the first Europeans to notice the tomato in Mexico in the 1500s. “Tomatl” is an Aztec word. It spread to Spain and Portugal, then to Italy through Naples, which was then a Spanish city, and later to France from Naples. The Italians called them “pomi d’oro,” or golden apples, which suggests that the first tomatoes were yellow ones. (Remember that the next time you see pasta pomodoro on the menu.)
In 1597, John Gerard, a rather unreliable British barber/surgeon and naturalist, published a book, Herball, or General Historie of Plants , in which he stated that the tomato was poisonous, even while acknowledging that French and Italians ate the thing. Presumably they weren’t quite human. This statement, according to Jim Gay of Historic Foodways at Colonial Williamsburg, “set the stage for the negative view of tomatoes in the British and American diet that was to last for the next two centuries.” Negative doesn’t necessarily mean deathly poisonous—obviously the English knew that other people ate them and survived. According to Andrew F. Smith in his 1994 book, The Tomato in America (which I meant to just skim but it was so interesting, I couldn’t stop reading), the tomato was eaten in soups in England in the 1750s and is mentioned in the famous English cookbook of 1758 by Hannah Glasse. By the 1780s, tomato sauce was widely used in England.
What about America? By the early 1700s, most Americans were quite aware that tomatoes were edible, and they ate them with pleasure. The Carolinians and Floridians had them first, from the Spanish colonies in Florida or the French Huguenots who immigrated to Carolina, or from immigrants, black and white, from the Caribbean—no one is quite sure. The earliest American recipe occurs in 1770 in South Carolina.
So did Thomas Jefferson introduce the tomato to America? Nope. That’s an other myth. Probably Jewish merchants introduced the fruit, probably because they were widely engaged in trade and because most were of Spanish or Portuguese descent and so were familiar with tomatoes from the 1500s. Jefferson only enters into the story because he wrote that a Jewish friend, Dr. John DeSequeyra, introduced the tomato the Virginia sometime after his arrival in Williamsburg in 1745. This seems to be true. No one at the time seemed alarmed by its poisonous properties. Tomatoes finally worked their way north to the northern colonies/states late in the 18th century.
There is a terrific short story by Richard M. Gordon called “The Murder of George Washington” that was published in the Ellery Queen magazine in 1959. I read it in the Sixties—can’t imagine how or where—but I remember it well. It’s about a Loyalist cook who decides to kill General Washington and makes a recipe with tomatoes in it. He serves the general and then gets the heck out of camp, because he doesn’t want to be nearby when Washington dies. It’s a well-written story, with one flaw—I don’t believe that any American colonists considered tomatoes poisonous in the late 18th century.
So, yes, in the 1600s, some Englishmen in England and in the American colonies thought the tomato was poisonous. By the 1700s, they knew better. Contemporary Italians, Portuguese, French, and Spanish never labored under any such illusions. According to Andrew Smith, only three of the 12,000 references to tomatoes that he found between 1544 and 1860 mentioned poisonous tomatoes: one was a reprint of an out-of-date British medical book, one was a facetious comment in a newspaper that ridiculed the idea, and the other was Jefferson’s grandson who said that his granddad told him that in his youth, some thought it was poisonous.
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amazing tomatoes really fantastic
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"he stated that the tomato was poisonous, even while acknowledging that French and Italians ate the thing. Presumably they weren't quite human" LOL What blatant claptrap! Spot on about the French, but Italians?? Come on!
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Originally Posted by FMD "he stated that the tomato was poisonous, even while acknowledging that French and Italians ate the thing. Presumably they weren't quite human" LOL What blatant claptrap! Spot on about the French, but Italians?? Come on!
LMAO! ;o)
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Frank, How was the production and taste for the Kumatos you grew? I'm assuming you obtained the seeds from store bought tomatoes which are supposedly hybrids however many are noting that the F1 fruit grows true. Is your plan with the Kumato to save the seeds and only plant out F1s each year? Here's my tomato setup: 1. Grow using dropline technique (see pic) to obtain the greatest amount of plants per square foot in raised beds 2. Remove all suckers beneth the first flower bunch 3. Grow to three stems only and remove all suckers after that 4. irrigate using dripline 5. Fertilize using Tomato-tone and wood ash I've found the drop-line technique to be good for me as it promotes good air circulation around the tomato plant reducing issues with fungal diseases. I also like that I can plant big beefsteak varieties as close a 1 ft from each other. The rod and rope is cheap to install especially if you already have raised boxes in place. I'm also doing this with non-raised boxes, by tacking on a cross brace at the bottom of the side supports. The braces are then connected to three foot wooden spikes which are hammered into the ground to make the setup semi-permanent. The only maintenance with the drop line setup is taking down the rope each year for the winter.
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Malcolm, nice setup, indeed! You are correct about the Kumatos. I researched various tomato forums to see if anyone had any luck with seeds from this exclusive variety despite being labeled a hybrid by Syngeta, the owners. The consensus was that the seeds produced true to F1 as has been my experience. Some believe that Syngeta put out the hybrid bit as a ruse to keep gardeners from growing and saving the seed. Protecting their investment. There are reports of having it grown for up to 4 seasons still true to the F1 every year without variations. I am personally up to 3 years.
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elin
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I am bumping this up since i need some more tomato info. I bought a cherry pear tomato seeds and i would like to know how do they do in pots? My seed is indeterminate- does it regrow every year like figs and need root pruning.. Does it worth the effort to taste them off the vine vs supermarket ones (like in figs)? Any soil recomendations and did anyone try the upside down method? Thanks.
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Tomatoes do extremely well in containers. They require a lot of water though.
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http://www.heirloomtomatoplants.com/Growing%20Tips%20and%20Garden%20Products.htm - check this out! Yes, it is totally worth it :)! Also, if you are looking for some healthy plants, I have never found any as strong as Laurel's. She is a delight to talk to over the phone as well, she'll give you all the info you need if you buy some plants from her!
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Its a good bump, Pedrom! Some beauties!! Amazing! I have grown some of those as well. One year I grew 26 varieties! Its hard to pick just one out of so many. I think green zebra was one i especially loved! Wow, love your post!
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Heirloom tomatoes are fun to grow but because of so many varieties they become addictive just like growing figs. For ten years or better I grew heirlooms in the neighborhood of 100 plants and up to 30 varieties a year. Last year the only heirloom I grew was Indian Stripe, my favorite. This year because of my recent fig addiction I am growing only 15 Tycoon and several large cherry tomato plants.
I grew them in #6900 black nursery pots, raised beds and in ground with great success. I fed weekly with MG Tomato fertilizer alternating with Medina Hasta Grow for plants.
The potted ones start producing earlier and are the first to quit producing because the roots heat up before those of other plants in raised beds and in ground. The potted plants require more frequent watering. When summer starts to get hot mulching high around the pots help keep the roots from cooking.
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I have found that anything that grows is very addicting to me. I usually grow about 30 varieties a year but a few years back I did 100 varieties of heirlooms. One grape tomato that I would recommend is Green Grape. other toms are Sarah Black, Cherokee Purple and one that goes in my garden every single year is Omar's Lebanese. It has produced a 5 pound tomato for me a couple years back but it continually produces 2-3 lb. toms. I had a plant last year that had about 9 2lb toms on it at the same time, it looked like a freak plant. Tomatoes and peppers are my first gardening passion so if anyone is looking for something just ask.
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Does anyone have suggestions for tomatoes that set fruit in hot weather. In July and August we are often 94f+ in the day and 75+ at night the varieties I have tried set very poorly. Thanks in advance for suggestions
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