Aaron- http://www.greffer.net/?p=360.  

Vladik, 
Those look nice and crunchy, thanks for the website.

Igor,
I read it at UCD... but I don't even have a Rootstock for scion to be grafted on. Maybe I'll just order entire tree? I want those huge stringent type. the type that I can freeze and then eat. They taste much better then the Fuyu, in my opinion. I need to find out the name and exact the type that I want. I remember when I was 12-14 in Baku, one of my dads friend who was best friend of Aliev (the president) had a dacha and over there...man that place looked like Garden of Eden. anyway, he had this humongous variety of Karalyok, size of a newborn baby's head. They would fall off of the tree early in the morning as they thawed and nobody would touch them...

Oh, man, the best friend of Aliev was a king and the god and just behind Aliev himself :), it is hard to compete with those guys.

The varieties you want are Hachiya and Giombo (you can get at UCD) then. Giombo is a larger version of Hachiya, both are astringent.
I would buy a Hachiya tree from OSH and plant it. A good size tree would run for $50-70 or so, wait for a sale or when they pay the sale tax.
Then you can get a few scions of Giombo and other varieties and graft to Hachiya branches. You will have a nice tree in a few years with everything you want.
The best way of grafting the Persimmons is Chip budding in the Spring when the bugs wake up.

Аарон, мои сеянцы из России. Мой рекорд H   achiya - 571 грамм фруктов.

  Fruit size in cm.

My Fuyu persimmons -- every other year we get a big harvest. Tree is about 20 yrs old

  In 2014 in Russia a little persimmon trees. In 2013, he was a good harvest.

Aaron, I have four acres, but I am already running out of room. Every available space already has a tree in my nursery ready to go in the ground as soon as my aching back is ready to dig another hole. 

The North County CRFG conducted "Persimmon Palooza" last year on November 15th. I can't find my notes, but I do remember that Greg Rager, a volunteer at the South Coast Research and Extension Center, said that the giant Fuyu had less flavor than most other varieties. He suggested that two of the best varieties available in this country are Nikita's Gift and Hyakume (espcially good for drying). As far as I can tell, no nurseries in California sell either variety and no out-of-state nursery will ship it here.

Pete,

Does Ichi Ke Jiro do well in Zone 6B or is it grafted onto another type?

Aaron, I believe the fruit treatment process you refer to is also known as 'bletting'.  Certain other fruits benefit from this, like medlars and quince.
Up here in the north country, we are at the boundary of the american persimmon.    I've seen a few laden trees of variety 'Meader', although fruit size was much smaller than those depicted here.   I have a few young seedling trees growing here, and intend to try grafting over a few to varieties 'Meader', 'Early Golden', 'Dollywood', 'Szukis'.
Greenfig, I appreciate you sharing your grafting experience, usually I would use chip grafting in the summer season, but I think I have read that it's important to leave some growth above persimmon grafts?   My instinct would be to use whip and tongue, since that's one I've had good results with.   Maybe I'll try a couple of each..

Caitlin,

My trees are grafted, bought them from Starkbros nursery. They're very low maintenance, produced from 300-400 persimmons each year. No problems whatsoever except for birds and squirrels when come time to harvest.

Thanks everybody, so much good info and advise. This is awesome.

Vladik,
Those Russian Karalyoks are amazing tasting, they do have seeds but the crunchy/jelatinous tissue sack surrounding the seeds is so fun to eat.

Paul,
Is it my eyes or your Fuyus are unusually big?
They look amazing.

OK Igor,
When I buy the tree you are going to be the one grafting it. I'm not good for grafting.

Paul (Cyberfarmer),
4 acres is plenty, unless you are planting an orchard...what are your plans for the property?
I wish I have a piece of land to plant a fruit forest and a little bungalow to leave in, under the trees where I can chase the birds and dears with couple of Rotwilers.

Jesse,
Medlar takes me back to my childhood, haha...we used to throw them in a pillow case and bang it on the walls to bruise them, then, few days later they are soft., Interesting word "Bletting" I had never heard that word, tanks for the info. :)

If you get a nice Hachiya, you may not need any grafting. Not the first year for sure.
Good luck with it! It is a common tree over here.

I really prefer Saijo over Hachiya as a astringent type and they are available in California through Trees of Antiquity and LE Cooke bare root (winter).  You really cant go wrong with Fuyu though and they are the most available type in CA.

Nikita's Gift, Prok and Hachiya on the way soon.  Really looking forward to drying them. 

@ Aaron - This year crop is one of the best. My tree had a big crop and I am so happy that at least 65% of them
aborted at various stages, giving rise to bigger fuyu's. Also, I prune my tree and new branches produces big fuyu's.
We had basket loads of fuyu's from this season harvest and we gave many to friends. I am sure my tree is
not a giant fuyu variety.

I'm going to try that freezer method Aaron. I have 1 wild Virginiana tree in my neighborhood and no one I know has a hybrid tree. I love the sweetness of the store bought ones but even the best ones have a bit of astringency. If I can get rid of that, I'll have to get a tree.

Aaron, try England's for a unique selection of persimmons. http://nuttrees.net/

Andy, are you growing persimmons here?

Aaron D,
I am planning to freeze about 10Ls of stringent type in my freezer chest, for off season cravings. They stay solid like that for as long as you want them to.
I have to go to Super King Market for those.

Andy,
thans for the link, what's an amazing variety those Korean Persimmons are... wow. I had never seen anything in that color in my life.

Here's what I was buying today, with my kids, at a nearby ethnic store, where I buy our cold-cuts usually.
Not bad for a dollar if you ask me.

 

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