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Placing Figs Inground

  • WL

I did review some of the past postings and there seems to be differing opinions on when to place trees inground. There are a number of people that state after five years or three years however some place trees in the ground as rooted cuttings or after one year. I have been fortunate and I have some duplicates of several varieties and they have grown to 4 ft to 6 ft from rooted cuttings from last winter. I would like to put the following trees in the ground this fall? Do you think it is a good idea? Should I wait until they are dormant? Any advice as always is appreciated.

Bethlehem Black
Celeste
Hardy Chicago.
Longue d'Aout.
Conadria
Osborn Prolific
Adriatic JH
VDB

I just added 5 more in ground trees to my field today. Also I live in south Louisiana. No snow no hard freeze that last more than overnight. I do wait till trees are root bound in a one gallon pot or bigger.

Four to six foot trees in 1 to 5 gallon pots should perfectly fine to plant. But I would wait until they are dormant for the best results. It is not a must do, but have had much better growth results doing this (in my limited experience with figs so far). The trees I planted during last summer (May and June) pretty much stalled all last year, while the trees I kept in pots kept putting on new growth until winter.

  • Rose5
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I would plant them right away, water them daily (10 L each) for a few weeks (twice a week after) to enable them to develop a good rooting system before winter. By no way I would plant them before or during winter as frost will easily kill the aerial part of fig trees (and it's the best case scenario !). 

IMHO I would not waste your space and time with Longue d'Août, it only has a few big little sweet brebas and the main crop is of poor quality. You and your garden deserve better !

I may be wrong but it seems to me that Adriatic JH and Conadria are the same variety.

Edit of Sept 13, 2017: 

I picked up my first forniti (main crop fig) of Longue d'Août yesterday and for the first time it was very (too) sweet and fruity. This year where i live spring began early (though we got frost in the 2nd part of April) and we got numerous days above 30°C this summer. However the last 2 weeks were very chilly (<10°C / <50°F by night). 

In contrast in recent years we had a late-starting spring and despite some summer days >30°C (>86°F) I had no edible forniti or of poor quality (= little sweet and bland taste). I conclude this variety either needs an early-starting spring or a warm fall to give sweet figs. 

This year I trimmed the main bud in early May and it was a very bad decision since it led to numerous small summer figs and it delays their ripening by 1-2 month(s) - which means I won't be able to pick up most of them for eating except if we get a warm fall and this has not happened since 2006. Next year I will suppress all the fioronis (95% of them fall anyway but leaving them on the tree may delay the formation of fornitis) or all the wood wearing them or half of the tree with each pruning !

Possibly because of the nitrogen of the fertilizer (11-11-20-(3-10) (NPK, MgO, SO3)) I spread this spring the color of yesterday forniti was mostly dark green with 25% of violet while in previous years it was blue. Nitrogen is known to slow ripening though. I wonder if the fertiliser helped in the sweetness and taste of yesterday forniti. I read boron amino acid chelate (1-3 g/10m2) increases sweetness of fruits. Potassium is critical for fruit formation too (the reason why I chose the 1-1-2 proportion). What is certain is that this fig tree never produced the quality and sweetness of yesterday's forniti even before 2007 when we had long growing seasons here in the east of France and it means the fertiliser played a huge role.

I'm in zone 6 and if id plant any in ground it would be in the spring after they start to come out of dormancy.  Give them the whole year to get settled in ground. 

  • WL

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Originally Posted by figpig_66
I just added 5 more in ground trees to my field today. Also I live in south Louisiana. No snow no hard freeze that last more than overnight. I do wait till trees are root bound in a one gallon pot or bigger.


Richie, Thanks. We do get snow here and there are days with temps below 30 in the winter. They are in 5 gallon pots.

  • WL

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Originally Posted by CliffH
Four to six foot trees in 1 to 5 gallon pots should perfectly fine to plant. But I would wait until they are dormant for the best results. It is not a must do, but have had much better growth results doing this (in my limited experience with figs so far). The trees I planted during last summer (May and June) pretty much stalled all last year, while the trees I kept in pots kept putting on new growth until winter.



CliffH, Thanks

  • WL

Thanks Rose5, ShawnJames70 and Fidgeater.  I am clearing an area and I was planning on planting some other fruit trees (apples, plums, pears and peaches) and thought I would place the fig trees I mentioned in the ground at the same time. I may need to give planting the figs so more thought.

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Originally Posted by Rose5

IMHO I would not waste your space and time with Longue d'Août, it only has a few big little sweet brebas and the main crop is of poor quality. You and your garden deserve better !


Rose,
You may not have LdA if it performs like you say.  I've had LdA in ground for close to 5 years and it's been one of my best trees for flavor, reliability, and cold hardiness.  In zone 7, I don't rely on brebas for any of my ground trees.  Even when LdA dies back, it comes back stronger each year.  It's close to 7' tall this year.  I don't give it any special treatment.  It grows in the crappy red clay soil too.  haha!

WL,

I agree, that if you want to plant them this year, do it now.  You're taking a big risk doing it in the fall.  They aren't like typical trees, where it's recommended to plant in the fall.  In MY experience, for zone 7, late May/early June is the best time to plant in ground because frost season is over and you have several months for those young trees to adapt to the ground soil.  I've actually had better luck planting 1 year old trees over 4 year old trees.  Perhaps it's because they can adapt easier with a smaller root ball.  I've even planted 3 month old cuttings/trees in the ground with great success.  But again, they were planted early in the season.  Another advantage to planting early is, even after a harsh winter, they have a better chance of surviving due to a strong well-adapted root system in the ground.  You'll get die-back from a bad winter, but they always come up from the base.  Again, all this is based on my own experience. 


   I second Frank's recommendation...  LdA has been a robust grower for me; a first-year tree that is 5'x4', and extremely prolific. The fig's flavor is really intriguing, it's like a honey/apricot/mango blend. Soft, (almost fragile) skin. Very nice... and I am one that usually isn't a big fan of honey/sugar figs. This has easily earned it's permanent place here in the orchard...  my "soil" here is bowling ball sized boulders, suspended in clay, and the tree loves it.
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I concur with Frank on this.

Keep in mind putting a tree in ground can be like placing tree in a war zone.
In addition to brutal old man winter there are armies of rodents, rabbits, gophers waiting and hiding.  They really love eating fig bark all winter long.  
So if you really like your fig tree, make sure you have or access to a backup.

I think it is safer for the fig tree to wait until it matures and the trunk is fully hardened and can take some abuse.  If planning to put a 3-4 yr old fig tree in ground you also need some care to ensure the roots don't get tangled up in the container in years before.

Safest method I found is to plant the target fig trees (any age) in ground in spring and then dig them up after they go dormant and store for winter.  Repeat for a few years until the tree gets too difficult to dig up and then leave permanently in ground.

  • WL

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Originally Posted by FiggyFrank
WL,

I agree, that if you want to plant them this year, do it now.  You're taking a big risk doing it in the fall.  They aren't like typical trees, where it's recommended to plant in the fall.  In MY experience, for zone 7, late May/early June is the best time to plant in ground because frost season is over and you have several months for those young trees to adapt to the ground soil.  I've actually had better luck planting 1 year old trees over 4 year old trees.  Perhaps it's because they can adapt easier with a smaller root ball.  I've even planted 3 month old cuttings/trees in the ground with great success.  But again, they were planted early in the season.  Another advantage to planting early is, even after a harsh winter, they have a better chance of surviving due to a strong well-adapted root system in the ground.  You'll get die-back from a bad winter, but they always come up from the base.  Again, all this is based on my own experience. 

Frank, Thanks. I actually have three LdA's and they are growing very well and each has figs on first year trees. It is good to know that you feel the plant is hardy and has good figs. The plants I mentioned  about putting in the ground are getting very tall should I cut them back when they go dormant? Thanks again.


  • WL

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Originally Posted by Bluemalibu

   I second Frank's recommendation...  LdA has been a robust grower for me; a first-year tree that is 5'x4', and extremely prolific. The fig's flavor is really intriguing, it's like a honey/apricot/mango blend. Soft, (almost fragile) skin. Very nice... and I am one that usually isn't a big fan of honey/sugar figs. This has easily earned it's permanent place here in the orchard...  my "soil" here is bowling ball sized boulders, suspended in clay, and the tree loves it.
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Bluemalibu, Thanks.  The picture of the LdA looks great. Based upon Frank's and your recommendation this is a fig to really look forward too. It is also good to hear that it will grow in not so great soil. I hope I get to taste the fig this year. Thanks again.




  • WL

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Originally Posted by pino
I concur with Frank on this.

Keep in mind putting a tree in ground can be like placing tree in a war zone.
In addition to brutal old man winter there are armies of rodents, rabbits, gophers waiting and hiding.  They really love eating fig bark all winter long.  
So if you really like your fig tree, make sure you have or access to a backup.

I think it is safer for the fig tree to wait until it matures and the trunk is fully hardened and can take some abuse.  If planning to put a 3-4 yr old fig tree in ground you also need some care to ensure the roots don't get tangled up in the container in years before.

Safest method I found is to plant the target fig trees (any age) in ground in spring and then dig them up after they go dormant and store for winter.  Repeat for a few years until the tree gets too difficult to dig up and then leave permanently in ground.



Pino, Thanks. I appreciate your response.

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Originally Posted by WL

Frank, Thanks. I actually have three LdA's and they are growing very well and each has figs on first year trees. It is good to know that you feel the plant is hardy and has good figs. The plants I mentioned  about putting in the ground are getting very tall should I cut them back when they go dormant? Thanks again.




Happy to help, Dave.  Yes, I would cut them back, mainly because they are most susceptible to winter die-back.  Plus, you get to duplicate more if you want!
It also helps focus strength in the roots during the acclimation phase.

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