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rob0520

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Posted 1300834911	Reply with quote #1

Sorry to change the subject.Just wondering if anyone can share a little info on the Pomegranate.I was wondering what is the earliest ripening pomegranate out there?I'm in Michigan and would like to challenge growing a pomegranate here.Thanks and God Bless.

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See Harvey C at http://www.cloudforest.com/cafe/member/harveyc/ He is growing and experimenting with quite a few varieties. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

rob0520

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Thank You Jon.

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Bass is your source for info on that, to my knowledge. I'm sure there are others that can pipe in with more info. My knowledge would barely fit on their fingernail. He grows and cultivates many different types. He had a hardy one (cutting) on eBay a ways back. I have enough on my plate with fig cuttings to get into that( maybe next yr). I have two in containers that I'm going to grow for the first time this summer. There are several types out there. Wonderful is the most common found in supermarkets( Florida find to my knowledge). I have a Russian that is hardy for outside zone 7 or higher but not for my climate (zone 6a). Look around the internet. You would be amazed at how many different ones there are. I looked around for a while and found a black one from Thailand. There is a white one from the far middle east. From everything I see alot promote germination from seed but like a fig, a cutting is true to form. Being that now some believe it was a pomegranate and not an apple in the Garden of Eden, the whole concept of pomegranates has changed here in the states. I have heard of groves of them in the valleys of the vast middle eastern countries ,like we have apple orchards, if not larger. In the Middle East, Europe and Asia, they are used as a primary fruit. My family grew them in Southern Italy, Outside Naples and we would eat them after they fell to the ground. As a kid I can remember the taste as if it was yesterday. The tartness was not as apparent as in your store bought as straight fresh from the tree ( as with a fig) is nothing in comparison. ___________ Dominick Zone 6A-MA __________________ Dominick Zone 6a-MA

persianninja

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Posted 1300840286	Reply with quote #5

i got some Salivatsky pomegranates from Bass last summer. (and Parfianka, but i think the former is supposed to be more cold resistant). Wonder if he has any other suspected cold-hardy varieties this year. I haven't seen anyone selling Kazake which i'd be interested in trying

rob0520

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Posted 1300840581	Reply with quote #6

Thank you Dominick for your help.I'm looking for the earliest ripening pomegranate.I was wondering are there any that ripen in September?

nypd5229

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Here is the site for Bass: http://www.treesofjoy.com/fruit.htm Page down to see his varieties of Pomegranate. Being in PA just North of Philly, his goal is Cold Hardy fruit. __________________ Dominick Zone 6a-MA

Johnparav

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Posted 1300847618	Reply with quote #8

I would also be interested in hardy pomegranate and if anyone knows of a Canadian source or can ship to Canada that would be great. Can they be grown well in pots ? Thanks .... John

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Posted 1300886670	Reply with quote #9

Don't know of a Canadian source but they can be grown in pots. I have Wonderful and A Russian variant in pots. Just treat like figs- pot up when necessary- I'm not sure on feeding requirements- This is my first season. Check out ebay there are several sources as well. ______________ Dominick Zone 6a-MA __________________ Dominick Zone 6a-MA

Bass

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Robert, I understand that you want a very cold hardy pomegranate and ripen early. Most pomegranate will ripen in October even in California. There are varieties that do ripen in August but they are not particularly hardy. Not much studies been done on cold hardiness, just crazy gardeners who want to give things a try like me. I know that Salavatsky has grown and produced well for me. It will ripen before frost for my area, end of September last year until late October. As far as I know no one have grown pomegranates in ground in similar cold area or colder. If you want to grow pomegranates in containers than you can choose any varieties. I had wonderful pomegranates that I planted in pots and in ground, the ones in ground died, the potted one grow, but didn't bear well. I did have other pomegranates that had over 15 fruit in a pot. Salavatsky was much sweeter and excellent flavor, the seed crunch is about similar to the wonderful, they're not very soft but edible. Bass __________________ Pennsylvania http://www.treesofjoy.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trees-of-Joy/110193909021138

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This past summer I got 2 fig trees from this fellow by the name of John who I believe is on Gardenweb. Anyhow he is growing 2 Pomegranates here in Toronto inground with no protection. I was there in July and they were both looking very healthy and in Bloom. He told me he bought them locally just labeled Pomegranate. I too had searched for hardy pomegranates hardy to -20 celcius but found nothing how the heck has his survived our harsh winters? and they have been inground 4 years he told me it was the first year they bloomed. __________________ Mississauga, ON, Canada Z5B/6A

Bass

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Posted 1300888169	Reply with quote #12

Nelson, that's a good find. Toronto is a bit similar to my climate or maybe colder with the wind factor. I'm sure he has a micro climate where he has them growing. __________________ Pennsylvania http://www.treesofjoy.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trees-of-Joy/110193909021138

nelson20vt

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Posted 1300888637	Reply with quote #13

Hey Bass, he was interested in some figs from me and said he would email me in early summer hopefully he kept my email as I have lost his I will ask for cuttings of his pomegranate. Toronto can get quite cold due to the windchill we get quite a few days in winter of -30 celcius with the windchill good thing is that its not too many days like that. I have 3 pomegrantes not sure what variety it is but they have bloomed 2 times in the last six months but flowers drop right after they bloom, too young maybe? __________________ Mississauga, ON, Canada Z5B/6A

Bass

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Posted 1300889211	Reply with quote #14

as for the flower drop, they do produce male flowers and female flowers, so perhaps mostly male flowers. There are pomegranates that were bred for flowers and produce little to no fruit. __________________ Pennsylvania http://www.treesofjoy.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trees-of-Joy/110193909021138

nelson20vt

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Oh I didn't know that will keep a close eye and see if this is the case with my plants. I sure want to sample a fresh pomegranate from my own plants would be nice. Wish they had hardy Loquat's and Guava's love those too. __________________ Mississauga, ON, Canada Z5B/6A

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Posted 1300897507	Reply with quote #16

Good thread Rob! Just for reference, pomegranates were on the cover of the Jan & Feb 2011 Issue (Vol. 43, No. I) of the CRFG's Fruit Gardener. It included the article "A Passion for Pomegranates" authored by Edgar Valdivia. In it, the author highlights the following varities if you like a sweeter tasting Pom with soft more edible seeds: Azadi, Eversweet, Ganish, Myodovi Vasha, SinPepe, and Vina. I am only familiar with Eversweet. The author also mentions a PomWorldwide Yahoo! Group and some nice photos posted on his website (edvaldivis.com). Happy Pom-ing, JD FYI. I have an in-ground Sweet pomegranate. It flowered last year but dropped the fruit when they were small. Trusting that at least one fruit to ripen this year. __________________ jd \| tallahassee.fl \| zone 8b

rob0520

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Posted 1300899137	Reply with quote #17

Hey Bass do you know which ones are the varieties ripen August?Thank you everybody for your comments.

JCA

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Posted 1300899353	Reply with quote #18

I planted an Angel Red Pomegranate this spring. This is uncertain because not many people grow pomegranates here. The plant should do well but the fruit split may be a problem. How are the cold hardy types? Is the fruit taste good? Are they productive in the ground? Someone in another forum was growing pomegranates in south Georgia and the plant grew well but it did not produce much fruit.

Sharkb8

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Posted 1300926363	Reply with quote #19

Living only a few miles from Encanto Farms Nursery I don't have to worry about the cold hardiness. I have a Wonderful and a Utah Sweet that had their best crop last year, branches were bent over resting on the ground. Both are good but mixing the two makes for some great tasting juice and even better wine. The tartness can be overwhelming in the wine after the yeast does its work so adding a little sugar to smooth it out again without making it sweet helps. Jon

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I have 2nd year plants of Salavatski, Kazake, Angel Red still in pots. I am letting them size up one more year prior to planting out. I don't think Angel Red is that cold hardy, but Salavatski and Kazake are a couple of the Russian Cultivars that according to Bass, Harvey, and others are pretty cold tolerant.. I am trying to root cuttings from Al-sirin-nar, Lyubimyi (aka favorite), Parfianka (aka Garnett Sash I beleive), Kara-Kalinskii, and Ink. Lyubimyi is reportedly prety cold tolerant as well. Most of the more cold hardy cultivars seem to be of the harder seed types. I would be intrested if anyone knows of a cold hardy soft seed cultivar __________________ Phil N.GA. Zone 7 Looking for: De La Reina, Del La Senyora, Martinenca Rimada, Parfum De Cafards, Ponte Tresa, Sangue Dulce, Emalyn's Purple, and on and on

baust55

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l am thinking about buying RED SILK and try on a pot like figs here in zone 5b ... __________________ AUSTIN Read more mad non- scientist stuff ....check out my post on KITTY LITTER ! http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/kitty-litter-really-kitty-litter-7398708?pid=1287129765#post1287129765 "I grow fruit of the wine!" Zone 5 Fig trees I have : Hardy Chicago , Weeping Black , Ginoso , Excel , VEBT , and Genovese Nero . My Wish list: Panache, Florea,Desert King , RdB, Marseilles black vs, Vdb , Abruzzi, JH Adriatic , Nero 600 , MvsB, Malta Black,

Tropicalgrower

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Is there a chilling requirement for Pomegranates?

LJFiggy

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Quote: Originally Posted by Bass Robert, I understand that you want a very cold hardy pomegranate and ripen early. Most pomegranate will ripen in October even in California. There are varieties that do ripen in August but they are not particularly hardy. Not much studies been done on cold hardiness, just crazy gardeners who want to give things a try like me. I know that Salavatsky has grown and produced well for me. It will ripen before frost for my area, end of September last year until late October. As far as I know no one have grown pomegranates in ground in similar cold area or colder. If you want to grow pomegranates in containers than you can choose any varieties. I had wonderful pomegranates that I planted in pots and in ground, the ones in ground died, the potted one grow, but didn't bear well. I did have other pomegranates that had over 15 fruit in a pot. Salavatsky was much sweeter and excellent flavor, the seed crunch is about similar to the wonderful, they're not very soft but edible. Bass Bass, I know this is not the point, but those are artistically beautiful photos/fruit! From the blue background color playing off the fruit, with green sweater, ornamental fruit base, and clear deep red covering over the seeds... makes me want to get the brushes and paint! __________________ ~New to growing figs, I currently have tiny fig plants which are supposedly Little Ruby, Violette de Bordeaux, Desert King, and Petite Negri. I hope these were accurately labeled! Now rooting LSU Gold and Purple, Celeste, Panache, Peter's Honey, and Unknown Varieties from cuttings, thanks to generous forum members. Figs on my current wish list (along with any others recommended): Osborne Prolific, Battaglia Green, Smith, Kadota, Italian Honey, Atreano, Verte or Green Ischia, Panache, Peter's Honey, Black Madeira, Smith, Noir de Caromb, etc. ~

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Nelson, I have been looking at cold hardy varieties for a while, keep us updated if this varieties does well! It would be nice to not have to protect the plant every winter, but that's not a deal breaker for me. Becky Quote: Originally Posted by nelson20vt This past summer I got 2 fig trees from this fellow by the name of John who I believe is on Gardenweb. Anyhow he is growing 2 Pomegranates here in Toronto inground with no protection. I was there in July and they were both looking very healthy and in Bloom. He told me he bought them locally just labeled Pomegranate. I too had searched for hardy pomegranates hardy to -20 celcius but found nothing how the heck has his survived our harsh winters? and they have been inground 4 years he told me it was the first year they bloomed. __________________ Becky, zone 5 Growing: Hardy Chicago, VdB, Dessert King, Celeste, Green Ischia, Marseilles VS, Kathleen's Black, Red Sicilian, Adriatic JH, Violetta bayerfeinge, New Brunswick, Magnolia and Italian Honey. Wishlist: Sicilian Black JR, Petite Negra, Sweet George, Lattarula, Sals Corleone (Gene), Vasilika sika, Galicia negra, Dalmatie and any cold hardy fig.

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Becky, I'm not sure any Pomegranate variety qualifies as cold hardy in Burlington with temps often dropping into the minus teens or lower. I think all varieties there will require winter protection. Since poms usually require warm summers and don't ripen until September or October you might also consider looking for early ripening varieties. This past year Angel Red ripened for me towards the end of September. I was kind of surprised since it was a first year 5 gallon plant that I picked up in Phoenix last February and place it in the sun room (NH) when I returned in March. It went outdoors in mid May. There's a few good post on the forum if you search for hardy pomegranates that might help. __________________ John NH Z5

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John, Thanks for the suggestions, its always good the know the varieties people have found success with! I figured it would be too good to be true for a pomegranate to withstand - 20 degrees. I am looking into a geo thermal greenhouse and was thinking it may be a good home for a hardy pomegranate :). Have you had any success with the more tropical soft seed pomegranate varieties in pots? Becky Quote: Originally Posted by johnjay7491 Becky, I'm not sure any Pomegranate variety qualifies as cold hardy in Burlington with temps often dropping into the minus teens or lower. I think all varieties there will require winter protection. Since poms usually require warm summers and don't ripen until September or October you might also consider looking for early ripening varieties. This past year Angel Red ripened for me towards the end of September. I was kind of surprised since it was a first year 5 gallon plant that I picked up in Phoenix last February and place it in the sun room (NH) when I returned in March. It went outdoors in mid May. There's a few good post on the forum if you search for hardy pomegranates that might help. __________________ Becky, zone 5 Growing: Hardy Chicago, VdB, Dessert King, Celeste, Green Ischia, Marseilles VS, Kathleen's Black, Red Sicilian, Adriatic JH, Violetta bayerfeinge, New Brunswick, Magnolia and Italian Honey. Wishlist: Sicilian Black JR, Petite Negra, Sweet George, Lattarula, Sals Corleone (Gene), Vasilika sika, Galicia negra, Dalmatie and any cold hardy fig.

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I live in the SF Bay Area and have a POM Wonderful pomegranate tree growing in my front yard. I usually pick my pomegranates around Halloween. __________________ USDA Zone 9b Wish list: Abruzzi, Pasquale, Tagliacozzo, Zingarella, Godfather. Any unk Italian, especially from Abruzzo.

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Posted 1452792948	Reply with quote #28

Becky, I really don't have much experience with poms with the exception of Wonderful and Angel Red. Wonderful never ripened so it found a new home elsewhere. If I were to consider soft seeded varieties a few I would try are "Sweet", Eversweet, and A C Sweet. I think they are all suitable for cooler climates. Grenada may be another choice for early ripening. Raintree and Rolling River both have a good selection of poms. The following link may give you some insight. __________________ John NH Z5

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Thanks John! Quote: Originally Posted by johnjay7491 Becky, I really don't have much experience with poms with the exception of Wonderful and Angel Red. Wonderful never ripened so it found a new home elsewhere. If I were to consider soft seeded varieties a few I would try are "Sweet", Eversweet, and A C Sweet. I think they are all suitable for cooler climates. Grenada may be another choice for early ripening. Raintree and Rolling River both have a good selection of poms. The following link may give you some insight. __________________ Becky, zone 5 Growing: Hardy Chicago, VdB, Dessert King, Celeste, Green Ischia, Marseilles VS, Kathleen's Black, Red Sicilian, Adriatic JH, Violetta bayerfeinge, New Brunswick, Magnolia and Italian Honey. Wishlist: Sicilian Black JR, Petite Negra, Sweet George, Lattarula, Sals Corleone (Gene), Vasilika sika, Galicia negra, Dalmatie and any cold hardy fig.

Shanejennings

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Posted 1453305563	Reply with quote #30

Hey guys, soft seeded pomegranates are not typically as cold hardy, but I'm finding there are some that are. I'm currently growing about 70 varieties of pomegranate varieties. I just posted them last Thursday January 14 on my Facebook page with descriptions about the soft seeded pomegranate varieties that will take some cold. In order to save space I'm going to refer you to my Facebook page. If you are interested in soft seeded pomegranate varieties, check it out? Here's the link - https://www.facebook.com/alabamapomegranateassociation/

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Shane, You've got a good resource there. Thanks for sharing! By any chance are you selling any varieties? -Ross __________________ Ross - Zone 6B/7A - Philadelphia My Cultivar List / Pictures! / My YouTube

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FWIW, I have a young "Grenada" cultivar growing in the ground and doing very well here a Georgia 7a. It is about 6' tall and pruned to be bushy. I do have it near my house and facing SE, for a little protection/sunshine. Joe __________________ Athens, GA USA Zone 7b My young trees in the ground and in pots: Brown Turkey, White Triana JM, Magnolia, Strawberry Verte, Violette de Bordeaux, Panache, UK Brooklyn Dark JP, Ronde de Bordeaux. Wish list: St Rita

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I have 10 or 12 varieties of Poms. All are Russian hardy ones. __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

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i ate a fruit from the store and spit the seeds out in my pots (fruit trees etc...) a few months later i had lots of little seedlings. Now, i have 3 larger (3gal+) trees, and 4 smaller (1gal) ones one of the larger ones produced 5 fruit last fall. -about 2 years, maybe 3 ? (i am guessing "Wonderful" variety) it tasted the same as the store fruit. i didnt find the seeds worth eating. i hadnt really tried with the store bought fruit so, i cant really compare that. so i saw a Wonderful from cutting (or air layer?) and bought that too now. i wouldnt mind trading some cuttings for another variety Parafinaka, Grenada, Angel red, or ? prefer one that has edible seed... Attached Images pomfrui.jpg (142.26 KB, 10 views) POM_frui.jpg (469.95 KB, 10 views) pom-fruit.jpg (306.13 KB, 9 views) __________________ New Orleans La. zone 9 growing subtropical food-forest figs = Black Mission, Celeste, 2 un-named, and 4 cuttings started guava, papaya, mango, fig, mulberry, jujube......., white, black, and mamey sapote...., Cherimoya, lychee, longan, several psidium/guava relatives, Jaboticaba, citrus, Jamun, natal plum, and about 100 more...

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Greenman: I didn't know there were some Poms with edible/not edible seeds! __________________ Meg-Hardiness Zone 10a Looking for... Socorro Blk Wuhan Jolly Tiger Lamperia Preta Herschtetten St. Jean Black Ischia "The best way to show my gratitude is to accept everything, even my problems, with joy." ~ Mother Teresa "Do not pass by a man in need for you may be the hand of God to him." ~Proverbs 3:27~ "He performs wonders that cannot be fathomed, miracles that cannot be counted." ~Job 5:4

Sas

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For those who cannot wait for their tree to fruit, I purchased about a week ago a case of pomegranate from Costco. It was of the wonderful variety. The quality of the fruit was outstanding and the seeds were soft. __________________ Sas from North Austin TX Zone 8B Wish list: Becane

Sas

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Hi Alan, 13 fruits per case for around $13 and change. They were the best I ever had. __________________ Sas from North Austin TX Zone 8B Wish list: Becane

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Quote: Originally Posted by ross Shane, You've got a good resource there. Thanks for sharing! By any chance are you selling any varieties? -Ross Ross, This year I am planning on building a greenhouse to start propagating pomegranates. But for now I've got prior commitments. I promised Mack from the West Florida Research Center that he could come get cuttings to do research there. He also has some varieties I don't have. He probably will do more than he needs to make sure he's covered. By summer I might have some extras. Although I am planning on expanding myself. Ps; A guy from New Mexico is supposed to be sending me cuttings from an heirloom sweet pomegranate with light skin & arils. About four or five years ago it survived-17 below zero with no damage.

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Quote: Originally Posted by alanmercieca Shane - I thought all the black skinned pomegranates are cold hardy down to Zone 7a. Interesting. I don't think so because one of my Pakistanian customers just told me Monday his cousin has two evergreen varieties he started by seed. The black pomegranate like I have and a grey pomegranate. Both are from Pakistan. Attached Images image.jpeg (555.37 KB, 10 views)

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Alan, The Pomegranate season at Costco is over. They might carry them from around October to early January. I also read that : "Pomegranates store best at 40 to 45°F with a relative humidity of 85 percent. They can be stored for up to 3 months." http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/fruit-nut/files/2015/04/pomegranates_2015.pdf I was in San Antonio today and was told that Pomegranate orchards are popping everywhere in TX. It's only a matter of time before we start to see more fruit in stores. I picked up three varieties but was told that they don't fruit well in pots. Perhaps someone could comment on the best ones suitable for pots. __________________ Sas from North Austin TX Zone 8B Wish list: Becane

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Here are some of the ones I grow. None have fruited for me yet. Salavatski Sharp Velvet Kashmir Blend Paraflika Kaj Acik Anor Vina Ganesh Kazare Unknown (tags is buried inside) Saveh (This one is black) Balegal Sirinevyi Desertnyi Hey Bass, is your tree inside your greenhouse? Or in the ground ? Thanks, __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

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I've read that 'DK from Shevlan' is a selection from the wild with poor quality fruit, but that it is very cold hardy and may be useful for breeding (but not anything else). Does anyone have any experience with it or know how low a temperature it can take before it starts to die back? Also, can you maintain pomegranates in containers and store in a cold dark place all winter as we do with figs? __________________ zone 5 Maine Seeking: Saint Martin, Naples White, Black Tuscan, Bécane, French Alps, Abruzzi, Tenica, Wild Mountain Figs from the coldest corners (Iranian, Turkish or other...would love seeds too)

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A couple questions. 1) I know I read someplace that Red Silk and Crab are the same Plant, but Ashton's book lists them separate as does Green Seas Farms. Are they the same? Green Seas Farms carries a good selection reasonably priced for those of you looking 2) Russian 18 R-18 Does anyone know if this cultivar goes by another name? I think saw it called Texas Red, would like to try it, but thinking it might be one of Dr. Levins I am growing under another name. Thanks __________________ Phil N.GA. Zone 7 Looking for: De La Reina, Del La Senyora, Martinenca Rimada, Parfum De Cafards, Ponte Tresa, Sangue Dulce, Emalyn's Purple, and on and on

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I've always read that Poms grown from seeds don't usually grow to be the original variety, because of cross pollination, just like watermelons. I just bought 6 different varieties from Greensea in Florida. They have a very wide selection and they're only $15 for a one gallon plant. __________________ Ray zone 8 Columbia, SC

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Quote: Originally Posted by strudeldog A couple questions. 1) I know I read someplace that Red Silk and Crab are the same Plant, but Ashton's book lists them separate as does Green Seas Farms. Are they the same? Green Seas Farms carries a good selection reasonably priced for those of you looking 2) Russian 18 R-18 Does anyone know if this cultivar goes by another name? I think saw it called Texas Red, would like to try it, but thinking it might be one of Dr. Levins I am growing under another name. Thanks The numbering system was given to pomegranates raised in Georgia on the Ponder Farm. They felt it was easier to give them number than to pronounce the name. These group of pomegranates came from the Turkmenistan collection from Dr Leven. In Georgia R-18 is the variety called Entek Habi Saveh which is now called I-8. It was originally from the Saveh province in Iran.

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Alan, Crab is one from USDA UC DAVIS DPUN 085. The original origin I don't know just that is in the group they refer to as the old block. Ashton's book references it a few times. Shane, Thanks I did start Entek Habi Saveh DPUN 079 last year. I knew it came from the faciltiy at Byron from the following "1997 received 22 accessions from Michael Hotchkiss in Byron Georgia. 17 originally came from Turkmenistan and 5 from the Safiabad Research Center in Iran. DPUN0059-0080" but I thought all the R- ones were Turkmenistan and the I- ones were from Iran. I knew Entek Habi Saveh was know as I-8. The I- Pomegranates in this group did not come from Dr. Levin did they? I assumed only the R- ones did, but I might have assumed wrong. Do you know why the R-18 was changed to I-8, was it show origin as Iran and not Russia I imagine? __________________ Phil N.GA. Zone 7 Looking for: De La Reina, Del La Senyora, Martinenca Rimada, Parfum De Cafards, Ponte Tresa, Sangue Dulce, Emalyn's Purple, and on and on

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http://www.crec.ifas.ufl.edu › extension › pdfs Page 14 down shows this as #18

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Shane, I don't think I found the reference to R18 , I selected the extension tab but could not see where to navigate from there. I did find find this image of Entek Habi Saveh on UF site but it doesn't fit the description of Russian 18 that I have read. http://www.crec.ifas.ufl.edu/extension/pomegranates/pdfs/pom_guide/Entek%20Habi%20Saveh.pdf __________________ Phil N.GA. Zone 7 Looking for: De La Reina, Del La Senyora, Martinenca Rimada, Parfum De Cafards, Ponte Tresa, Sangue Dulce, Emalyn's Purple, and on and on

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Posted 1464867251	Reply with quote #49

Does anyone know where you can find a Paper Shell variety. Iit has a thin rind with very soft, sweet arils. read they used to grow in California and were called Spanish Sweet. I googled Spanish Sweet and a nursery has it in Texas, but the description does not match Paper Shell. I also read Spanish Sweet is grown in India which is one of the only varieties they grow that is not from India. Any suggestions on how to find a Paper Shell pomegranate variety?

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