Question about Preto and Black Madeira

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buonnatale2u

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Posted 1392740113	Reply with quote #1

Hi everyone, I have read that Preto and Black Madeira are the same fig. Are they the same, or just close to each other? Thanks! __________________ Christy 7a/6b NJ bonechickchris on GW Wish List: Italian Purple Beefera-where are you?? :) St. Rita, anything Belleclare, anything of the Salerno region of Italy

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Posted 1392740166	Reply with quote #2

they are not even close.. other than that fact they are both figs :) __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

buonnatale2u

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Posted 1392740490	Reply with quote #3

Ok, good to know. I am expecting fruit from both for the first time this year. I will have to remember where I read this. __________________ Christy 7a/6b NJ bonechickchris on GW Wish List: Italian Purple Beefera-where are you?? :) St. Rita, anything Belleclare, anything of the Salerno region of Italy

buonnatale2u

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Posted 1392740579	Reply with quote #4

Ok, I am an. Idiot, it is suppose to be Preto not Black Ischia, let me go change the post.... __________________ Christy 7a/6b NJ bonechickchris on GW Wish List: Italian Purple Beefera-where are you?? :) St. Rita, anything Belleclare, anything of the Salerno region of Italy

BLB

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Posted 1392741215	Reply with quote #5

Preto and Black Madeira are either the same or very closely related.Some believe Preto is a cleaner source of Black Madeira with less fmv. This might be true or it can also be that they are very closely related coming from the same area

buonnatale2u

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Posted 1392742755	Reply with quote #6

Thank you BLB, that is what I wanted to know. I will have to watch them together. __________________ Christy 7a/6b NJ bonechickchris on GW Wish List: Italian Purple Beefera-where are you?? :) St. Rita, anything Belleclare, anything of the Salerno region of Italy

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Posted 1392744325	Reply with quote #7

at least in my back deck, they are not same. they are similar, but growth characteristics for at least last two yr has been different. also Black Madeira seems to resist rain and all that little better than Figo Preto. the figs are very similar and so far the leaves. but not exact. maybe Figo Preto has adapted to its location better than the BM. or that the only FP i have is not representative of the FP in general. __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

snaglpus

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Posted 1392744919	Reply with quote #8

To me, I do not think they are the same. I have 3 Pretos and 3 Black Maderias. My BM is the oldest and largest. I think its wishful thinking though. __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

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Posted 1392745150	Reply with quote #9

So Dennis if you to choose between the two which would you choose? __________________ Steve MD zone 7a

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Posted 1392745320	Reply with quote #10

it always comes back to one specific fig on this forum. Black Madeira :) __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

snaglpus

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Posted 1392745718	Reply with quote #11

Black Maderia. __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

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Posted 1392745929	Reply with quote #12

now i'm wondering how Maltese Beauty will compare to Black Madeira... i heard bass saying great things about GM#155. __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

buonnatale2u

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Posted 1392746032	Reply with quote #13

Well, hopefully I will find out this year "why" Black Madeira is all the rage. I keep collecting and collecting, losing more and more space in my greenhouse. So I have been really trying to figure out which different named figs I have that are the same as other figs. So far, I am having no luck figuring out what figs are the same and that I can clear out. I want to keep them all! LOL! __________________ Christy 7a/6b NJ bonechickchris on GW Wish List: Italian Purple Beefera-where are you?? :) St. Rita, anything Belleclare, anything of the Salerno region of Italy

saxonfig

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Posted 1392749508	Reply with quote #14

Christy. Whatever you do, don't get rid of Preto in favor of Black Madeira just yet. Granted I haven't tasted Blk Mad yet but Preto is one of my most prized figs to date. Maybe I'm a little different but I like the standout, unique taste of Preto. If Blk Mad is even better, then I really better get busy babying mine ;) . __________________ Fig Well And Prosper! Bill - SW KY. Zone 6b. 36.5N I'm fruitnut on ebay.

Rewton

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Posted 1392749668	Reply with quote #15

Supposedly Preto is supposed to ripen a week or two earlier than BM. For those of you growing both does that seem to be the case? That would be an advantage for those of us with a shorter growing season. __________________ Steve MD zone 7a

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Posted 1392750274	Reply with quote #16

FP does ripen little earlier. didn't take note, but when BM was getting ripen, FP were already far gone and spoiled, soured. __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

buonnatale2u

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Posted 1392772100	Reply with quote #17

No, I am going to hold on to them both for sure now. To tell the truth, I have a hard time parting with any dark fig to begin with. If anything, I should probably start looking to go through my green figs before the darks, to see what similar ones I have, like my Pete's Honey, Italain Honey, Latarulla, etc. A word to the wise,,,, if you are thinking of getting a greenhouse to enable you to grow more fig varieties, whatever the size you plan on getting, DOUBLE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Once I got my 16X8' greenhouse, I was like a kid at Christmas, and thought I had room for every fig and citrus I want! Now, less than 2 years after getting the greenhouse, it is almost full! __________________ Christy 7a/6b NJ bonechickchris on GW Wish List: Italian Purple Beefera-where are you?? :) St. Rita, anything Belleclare, anything of the Salerno region of Italy

dfoster25

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Posted 1392776889	Reply with quote #18

I preferred my Preto. Probably because it ripened earlier in the heat and had better flavor. If I had a longer season, maybe I would have like the BM better? Next year may tell. __________________ Zone 6, SE MICHIGAN -14F 1-7-14 -23F 2-?-15 6F 1-18-16

buonnatale2u

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Posted 1392777144	Reply with quote #19

Thankyou Dfoster for pics! looks so yummy! Btw, I have a small Italian 258 that I hope to make it flourish this season, and noticed that it is on your wish list, so stay in touch and maybe I will have it for you at some point. __________________ Christy 7a/6b NJ bonechickchris on GW Wish List: Italian Purple Beefera-where are you?? :) St. Rita, anything Belleclare, anything of the Salerno region of Italy

musillid

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Posted 1392777485	Reply with quote #20

That is a lovely fig as depicted. __________________ Dale non compost mentis in Zone 6a

eatmoreyeah

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Posted 1392781156	Reply with quote #21

I believe they are different, however it wouldn't surprise me if they were indeed genetically the same. For me, Preto ripens about 2 weeks earlier than BM. Taste wise, they're both fantastic, but if I had to choose just one it would be BM. Either way you can't go wrong. My Preto started swelling buds about a week ago and today I noticed my BM was doing the same. Can't wait! Charles __________________ Currently Seeking: Bourjassotte Grise/Noire, Brogiotto Nero, D'All Osso, Francazzano Nero, Grise de St. Jean, LSU Red, Melanzana, Natalina, NDB, Rigata Rossa A, Sultane and Tacoma Violet. Have a healthy inventory for trades.

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