Red Israel

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greenfig

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Posted 1452293473	Reply with quote #1

Didn't get ripe because it is too late in the season but the figs are large and looks nice. I hope next summer I will be able to taste the real thing . Anybody has any experience with it? A very vigorous grower for me, rooted last February and is 7 ft tall now. Does it go by a different name? Thanks! Attached Images image.jpeg (119.74 KB, 98 views) image.jpeg (159.28 KB, 95 views) image.jpeg (160.14 KB, 94 views) __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

figpig_66

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Posted 1452296486	Reply with quote #2

Nice looking fig. Looks good and its not ripe __________________ RICHIE BONI HICKORY LOUISIANA ZONE 8B WARM HUMID WINRERS ARE VERY MILD LOW 20'S BUT WARMS RIGHT UP DURING THE DAY. SUMMER IS EXTREMELY HOT & HUMID 100 degrees 100% humidity fig tree grow like crazy but some split from rain & humidity Wish list. Col de dame blanc Col de rimada Lsu numbered figs

OttawanZ5

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Posted 1452297103 · Edited	Reply with quote #3

Yes, sometimes it still goes by its original name "Red Palestine". EDIT: Also, some have written here on this Forum that Khurtmanni is the same as Red Israel (Red Palestine). http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/red-israelred-palestine-khurtmanni-7382248?pid=1290152725 __________________ Ottawan-Z5a, Canada

snaglpus

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Posted 1452302573	Reply with quote #4

Mine fruited for me. It's a large dark red fig, sweet but not too sweet. it's a keeper for me! __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

greenfig

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Posted 1452303237 · Edited	Reply with quote #5

Thanks for the reassurance! I don't think it is going to be red though Is Khurtmani and this one the same fig? __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

SuperMario1

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Posted 1452303319	Reply with quote #6

I saw KK selling them on ebay last year and I almost jumped. Glad to see that it looks promising. __________________ Wish list: Galicia Negra, Violetta, Violette de Sollies, Dan_la's Black Beauty 10, Craven's Craving, Most important: YOUR FAVORITE FIG. A lot of people put emphasis on popular/exotic cultivars, which is great because it highlights some of the better fig varieties; however, I am most interested in the figs our members love regardless of pedigree. Currently Growing: a bunch of varieties.

snaglpus

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Posted 1452309023	Reply with quote #7

My tree came from KK. __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

greenfig

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Posted 1452312753	Reply with quote #8

As you guys started discussing the sources , I checked my records . My tree also came from KK. __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

HarveyC

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Posted 1452313970	Reply with quote #9

Mine is also from KK and I've known it as a synonym for Khurtmani but have recently been told that Khurtmani is different, a lighter fig. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

ross

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Posted 1452343269 · Edited	Reply with quote #10

I asked Herman about this very topic... here's his PM response: Herman, I hate to bother you, but I was wondering if you could offer clarity to this thread: http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/red-israelred-palestine-khurtmanni-7382248?pid=1290152725 There's a lot of confusion going around about middle eastern figs, and I was hoping you could help. First thing you are in PA,the true Red Israel,(Khurtmanni) is the same as Brunswick,in the US and is not good in your climate,in that it ripe too slow,and spoils ,in the rain. However this fig is the best tasting fig of Israel because in such dry,and hot climate,it produces super tasty large fruits. The fig ,with very red fruits ,is not Red Israel,but Red Palestine,and it is a diff. cultivar,better in your climate. The fig called Khurtmanni,in The fig of Israel ,site, is the same as Red Palestine,again will be OK in your climate. The Genuine Khurtmanni,is the fig called Brunswick in this country. This is my H.O. __________________ Ross - Zone 6B/7A - Philadelphia My Cultivar List / Pictures! / My YouTube

ross

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Posted 1452344201	Reply with quote #11

Essentially what he said was that this is Brunswick: http://figs4fun.com/Thumbnail_Khurtmani.html I haven't tasted either, but I tend to agree, the fruit/leaf patterns are very similar. And these two links are Red Palestine a different cultivar: http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/1872879/top-5-must-have-fig-trees?n=20 & http://www.raysfigs.com/israel.html I also recently acquired cuttings of Kk's Red Israel, so now I've also been wondering which cultivar is his... Khurtmani(Brunswick) or Red Palestine. Anyway, I hope this helps and doesn't piss anyone off. -Ross __________________ Ross - Zone 6B/7A - Philadelphia My Cultivar List / Pictures! / My YouTube

greenfig

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Posted 1452366574 · Edited	Reply with quote #12

Photos of the mature leaves: Do they look like Khurtmani leaves? Attached Images image.jpeg (235.00 KB, 16 views) image.jpeg (198.17 KB, 18 views) __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

elin

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Posted 1452413351	Reply with quote #13

Hi all. Danny Yakir the israely fig expert ("rip") has mentioned in his book both brunswick and khurtmani as separate entities with mentioning the brunswick is partial parthenocarpic and has 5 lobed leaf with deep sinuses. Regarding the khurtmani he doesent mention the partial parthenocarpi or the leaf structure. I mentioned Asali several times as a khurtmani synonym in the forum and it seems to my surprise that it is a separate entity (not by far) from Khurtmani too (the interior is red). Regarding red israel- For sure it is not the khurtmani since it has a red interior (khurtmani has a beige-pink one). it can be an Asali. I hope we clear this issue up this year. __________________ Eli ,Israel ,Zone 10? Too humid and hot, yada yada yada https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1298814119 Growing: Sbayi, Hmadi, Black Portugal, Black Brazil,Excell, Flanders, Hmari , RDB, Niagra Black,Natalina, CDDN,Maya, Preto Torres, Preto Arge

greenfig

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Posted 1452419624 · Edited	Reply with quote #14

Eli, Thank you for your explanation ! Would you be able to find any photos of the ripe Asali figs and the leaves? How is it rated and compares to the best Israeli figs? I will definitely update the thread next summer when the time is better. __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

elin

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Posted 1452420672 · Edited	Reply with quote #15

Pictures courtesy of another collector: Khurtmani - notice the light interior (same interior as brunswick). Asali (the ant on its way to destination): __________________ Eli ,Israel ,Zone 10? Too humid and hot, yada yada yada https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1298814119 Growing: Sbayi, Hmadi, Black Portugal, Black Brazil,Excell, Flanders, Hmari , RDB, Niagra Black,Natalina, CDDN,Maya, Preto Torres, Preto Arge

greenfig

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Posted 1452445163	Reply with quote #16

Eli, Thank you for the photos. I think none of them look like my Red Israel though __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

Melissa

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Posted 1452469280	Reply with quote #17

Sounds like I should add that to a wish list... hot, dry climate describes Phoenix fairly well. __________________ Wish list Red Israel

chucklikestofish

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Posted 1452473922	Reply with quote #18

Quote: Originally Posted by OttawanZ5 Yes, sometimes it still goes by its original name "Red Palestine". EDIT: Also, some have written here on this Forum that Khurtmanni is the same as Red Israel (Red Palestine). http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/red-israelred-palestine-khurtmanni-7382248?pid=1290152725 ~is it known by red sicillian too ? __________________

tennesseefig

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Posted 1452497754	Reply with quote #19

So let me see if I understand this correctly. "Red Israel" is obviously Khurtmani, this I understand. What I have a hard time with is that Khurtmani is sometimes referred to Brunswick, which in Texas is known as "Magnolia" but sometimes is mislabeled a "Brown Turkey" though it is obvious from the leaf pattern. So if one could say for sure that they had a Brunswick aka "Magnolia" is it the same to say that they have Khurtmani? The reason I am confused on this is I have seen beautiful pictures of the Khurtmani fig and it seems very deep red unlike the Brunswick. Does anyone know the origin of the Khurtmani fig, is it indigenous to the land of Israel? If not I am to assume that "Red Palestine" is indigenous? Does "Red Palestine" have alternative names as well? It seems that all figs have various aliases from region to region. __________________ Micah 4:4But each one shall sit under his vine and under his fig tree, with no one to make them afraid, for the mouth of יְהוָה of hosts has spoken. Zone 7a, wanting: JH Adriatic, Smith, Strawberry Verte, VdB, RdB

elin

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Posted 1452508804 · Edited	Reply with quote #20

pls see my post - the juicy red one is the Asali. I will confirm that Khurtmani is a Brunswick later this year. __________________ Eli ,Israel ,Zone 10? Too humid and hot, yada yada yada https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1298814119 Growing: Sbayi, Hmadi, Black Portugal, Black Brazil,Excell, Flanders, Hmari , RDB, Niagra Black,Natalina, CDDN,Maya, Preto Torres, Preto Arge

waynea

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Posted 1452519303	Reply with quote #21

Very interesting and confusing thread. How can we make the naming of fig varieties consistent and easy to follow. I guess William could be Bill or Billy or Will or Willy or Junior or Bubba or whatever nickname is given by whomever. I give up.

elin

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Posted 1452519459	Reply with quote #22

waynea- for whatever its worth I pledge to put my efforts at clearing the Khurtmani- Brunswick issues. __________________ Eli ,Israel ,Zone 10? Too humid and hot, yada yada yada https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1298814119 Growing: Sbayi, Hmadi, Black Portugal, Black Brazil,Excell, Flanders, Hmari , RDB, Niagra Black,Natalina, CDDN,Maya, Preto Torres, Preto Arge

waynea

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Posted 1452531727	Reply with quote #23

Thanks so much Eli, I have a Red Israel tree from KK and it is doing very well, it should fruit this year.

Smyfigs

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Posted 1452553917	Reply with quote #24

Wow, really great looking figs! __________________ Meg-Hardiness Zone 10a Looking for... Socorro Blk Wuhan Jolly Tiger Lamperia Preta Herschtetten St. Jean Black Ischia "The best way to show my gratitude is to accept everything, even my problems, with joy." ~ Mother Teresa "Do not pass by a man in need for you may be the hand of God to him." ~Proverbs 3:27~ "He performs wonders that cannot be fathomed, miracles that cannot be counted." ~Job 5:4

veggie_girl

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Posted 1452653186	Reply with quote #25

Interesting post, I too have this one from KK, no figs yet.

AltadenaMara

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Posted 1452706906	Reply with quote #26

It’s interesting that the pictures show different colored, different shaped figs. Could the breba be a different color from the main crop? Harvey’s picture shows "Red Israel/Red Palestine" as a long, black fig that is ripe in mid July, so it’s probably a breba. The brebas of Brunswick on the Varietal Info site show a light colored fig with reddish to purple stripes. If the real Khurtmani is, as Harvey says, a lighter fig, and also equal to Brunswick, then what we all have from KK is something else? Below are pictures of my first “Red Israel/Red Palestine” ? fig (via Igor via KK). It’s a main crop, 10/24/15, pollinated. It looks like the unknown Israeli fig below from http://bethmichelle.com/shrimp-bacon-and-figs-with-goat-cheese-quinoa-drizzled-with-fig-balsamic/. Does the sign in the picture give its name? Unknown Israeli fig __________________ Mara Southern California Zone 1990= 9b 2012= 10a 2020=?

greenfig

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Posted 1452709969	Reply with quote #27

I asked my friend to translate, here is what he said: It reads: "Figs Honey Israeli (Probably because they were grown in Israel) Half Kilo (Price) 5.99" It doesn't mention the fig's variety name. The word "honey" is usually mentioned in the Israeli market in relation to figs to emphasize their sweet flavor. __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

akrouus

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Posted 1453067963 · Edited	Reply with quote #28

i got my Red Israel from KK via Harvey. it is a great fig. I told Harvey it was a keeper. It is the most productive of all my trees thus far, with the caveat that some of my other fig trees are still not validated or verified. The taste is not the sweetest, but the aroma and complexity are awesome. As elin and harvey mentioned, the khurtmani (khortmani) is not Red Israel. This is guaranteed and validated and verified by family and friends who lived in Israel. It was an overwhelming consensus when they saw my ripened Red Israels - all agreed it was not khurtmani. if you want to "view" the real Khurtmani (khortmani), Mr. Sami Kassoum occasionally has a picture of it on his ebay site. As Elin also verifies, its interior is a light beige color, with a tint/hint of red. __________________ Nick Southern California

elin

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Posted 1453078013 · Edited	Reply with quote #29

I think the figs pictured from the market are roxo de valinhos/black brazilian ( a brown turkey relative). Due to the pulp void in the red israel variety i would too suggest they look the same. Please compare with cbt: http://www.treesofantiquity.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=225 __________________ Eli ,Israel ,Zone 10? Too humid and hot, yada yada yada https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1298814119 Growing: Sbayi, Hmadi, Black Portugal, Black Brazil,Excell, Flanders, Hmari , RDB, Niagra Black,Natalina, CDDN,Maya, Preto Torres, Preto Arge

HarveyC

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Posted 1453080718	Reply with quote #30

Quote: Originally Posted by AltadenaMara It’s interesting that the pictures show different colored, different shaped figs. Could the breba be a different color from the main crop? Harvey’s picture shows "Red Israel/Red Palestine" as a long, black fig that is ripe in mid July, so it’s probably a breba. The brebas of Brunswick on the Varietal Info site show a light colored fig with reddish to purple stripes. If the real Khurtmani is, as Harvey says, a lighter fig, and also equal to Brunswick, then what we all have from KK is something else? I am pretty certain that my fruits were main crop figs, some of my earliest. I had pruned my tree to have cutting to propagate and there wasn't much wood left after pruning. I recall later fruits being about the same and that this was one of my earliest main crop figs but nearly all figs had produced main crop fruits by the time I returned from visiting our sponsored children in Nicaragua, around August 2nd. Fig growing season starts earlier in SoCal but our longer days make up for it later on. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

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