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Rouge/Red de Bordeaux/Pastilliere?

How many local names a fig have ,it does not matter,it matter,that the person gets what he is buying.
haslamhulme asked ,if the little plant for sale,is Pastilliere,and my answer is;
No that plant is Ronde de Bordeaux.

My "Rouge de Bordeaux" (?) has both types of leaves, with the more mature leaves looking like the Ronde de Bordeaux type as in the first post. It didn't fruit this year, was a bare root tree from a reputable nursery last year. It's a slow grower, preferring to spread out on multiple branches rather than up.  

Aren't both types of leaves shown in this picture of Rouge de Bordeaux from a German nursery: the Ronde de Bordeaux leaf (Post 1) and the Pastilliere leaf (Post 15)?

http://www.lidl.de/de/frucht-feige-rouge-de-bordeaux-klein-1-pflanze-ficus-carica-feigenbaum/p173443

http://www.lidl.de/media/product/0/1/7/3/4/4/3/frucht-feige-rouge-de-bordeaux-klein-1-pflanze-ficus-carica-feigenbaum-zoom--41.jpg

If there's a mix up, then perhaps it's one in other countries as well as here. 

Altadenamara,thanks for that,LIDL are a supermarket,I would not trust them to sell it true to type as they are dependent on their big bucks volume producing suppliers and just sell what they are given called by whatever name they are told.There seems to be some confusion about Rouge de Bordeaux,it either is or isn't the same as Pastilliere and either does or doesn't have finger leaves.

From what has been posted so far I am confident this is not Pastilliere,if Pastilliere is the same as Rouge de Bordeaux then this isn't that either,if it is,fine,the best alternative candidate is Ronde,which does not seem to change shape with age,the shape just seems to get sharper and more defined.

For the plant I pictured it is the young leaves that look more like Rdb,not the older ones(like in the second pic),I suspect the seller bought them as Rouge de Bordeaux,found a picture of Rouge de Bordeaux through Google no doubt and posted that long with a picture of the plants for sale.

It seems the debate will rumble on,either way,if is Ronde,Rouge or whatever else the proof will be in the pudding as we say here,i will have to wait and see what fruit it produces and what leaf it produces when it matures

either way,I have a fig,fig=good in most cases and this one is nice and cheap so I can afford to risk it

Herman,

You are probably right and the plant for sale may well be Ronde de Bordeaux. 

I was commenting on your statement that PastiliƩre and Rouge de Bordeaux are different varieties.




Vinny,thank you for your addition to the topic,that's an awesome resource,thank you,it will indeed keep me busy,I think you also validated my point about there being no specialised fig nurseries in the UK,how Europeans and Americans have caught the fig fever and the Brits on the whole haven't I don't know

Jsacadura: You are right ,Rouge de B and Pastilliere is thought, to be the same cultivar,is just that some gardener confuse Ronde de Bordeaux with Rouge de Bordeaux,and sell Ronde plants as Rouge plants.
I have seen Ronde de Bordeaux,being called synonym to Negronne also,and is not.

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Originally Posted by haslamhulme
Vinny,thank you for your addition to the topic,that's an awesome resource,thank you,it will indeed keep me busy,I think you also validated my point about there being no specialised fig nurseries in the UK,how Europeans and Americans have caught the fig fever and the Brits on the whole haven't I don't know

I think reads claim to be a specialist , but I'm not sure . I was just quoting that line you posted. It would be nice to see a fig specialist in Britain

Reads is sometime said to have the 'national collection' of fig trees though I can't find anything out about that,what it means or who would 'award' that?

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Originally Posted by haslamhulme
Reads is sometime said to have the 'national collection' of fig trees though I can't find anything out about that,what it means or who would 'award' that?

The Royal horticultural society, for that you need to display your collection on one if them posh garden shows. Or get in touch with them with your collection . I know Steven reads and he got a huge collection than what he have advertised. I would imagine 250 plus varieties will help to be in the national collection. There is a 300 year old fig tree in Suffolk near reads nursery, if you every go that direction get some cuttings mate, I want to know what it is lol.

I would have thought having the Royal/national collection or anything would be a thing you would want to make a big thing if for marketing purposes?,maybe Stepehn is missing a trick there.

On old trees,I'm afraid they are all closer to you than me,I don't get much all for coming down south.

Tree arrived yesterday,will post pics

Top pic is the tree,then then the older leaves,last one is s brand new leaf looking a bit different

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I definty see that this is NOT rouge or Pastilliere,what are folks though on the Ronde de Bordeaux ID?,I know fruit will tell but in going to have to wait on that a bit

That looks like RDB, Rhonde de Bordeaux to me

I hope so,it's looking curiously like my Precoce de Dalmatie too so jury still out till it fruits

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