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Single node cuttings experiment

Said I wouldn't again but now am thinking maybe.

I enjoyed this thread very much Charlie.  Thank you for the update.

Hi Charlie,
The fig bug bit you once more :)

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Originally Posted by jdsfrance
Hi Charlie,
The fig bug bit you once more :)



If everyone would stop posting pics of juicy ripe figs dad gummit...



You might not collect hundreds of single node cuttings but you can grow out any super skinny or tiny cuttings you do happen to come by. 

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You might not collect hundreds of single node cuttings but you can grow out any super skinny or tiny cuttings you do happen to come by. 


There's one large Brunswick bush I get to trim this fall for a lady and there will be hundreds of nodes to play with.  Might just give one to everybody in town.  

Bob I will be also wanting a bunch of Hardy Chicago.  There's a giant locally but I think he wants to keep everything.  Are you going to have a bunch to get rid of this year?

Great read. Thanks for all the hard work you put in on this.

These are the survivors of the single node experiment and all are doing well either here or at the fig trial.

 
Red Libya
Sicilian White
Vasilika Sika
Atreano Gold
Galbun
Paradiso JM
Peter’s Honey
Petite Negri
Nero 600
Unk Sweet Diane
Atreano
Magnolia
Unk Orangeburg Purple
Melanzana
Gino’s Black
Mead
Beall
Celeste
Smith
DK Portuguese
Dominick Heirloom Italian
Armando Family Fav
Benson Hurst purple
Peachy Pleamon
My Special Celeste
LSU Champagne
Norman's Yellow
MSVS Black
Unk Lake Spur
Hardy Chicago
143-36 Emerald Strawberry
Armenian Small Eye Var. (multi 3 node buried horizontally that prompted the single node experiment) 
Texas BA-1


I should have lots of HC cuttings to send out  :)

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I should have lots of HC cuttings to send out  :)


Good.  I will probably be your best customer.  Really want to get a bunch of them going here asap for a variety of reasons.  

Will you put up  a video the process, like a how to especially the beginning.
larry

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Will you put up  a video the process, like a how to especially the beginning.
larry


No thanks, sorry, no! :)

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Originally Posted by ThaiFig
OK Charlie, now see what you got me doing? These are 2 nodes (just hedging my bets). They're laying in dry rice husk over saturated cocopeat. The tops of the cups are closed to retain moisture. The water evaporates from the cocopeat and keeps the air at 100% humidy, or nearly so. I can bottom irrigate if I see the cocopeat is drying out.


Cool. I think 2 nodes is better.  Watch out for mold with the closed cups.
 

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Yes, I know there's a risk that they will still get mold, even though I sterilized the media. But rice husk doesn't wick moisture up from the cocopeat. So the cuttings will not get wet, except from condensation. Once they develop roots, I'll ventilate the caps. This is not the only way I'm trying to root cuttings, but it was this thread that gave me the idea to try this. Thanks for the inspiration!


You're very welcome and deserve success just for reading the entire thread lol. So you're trying to root based on only humidity?  Interesting and I look forward to your results. :)

Hey Charlie,

Could you update us on this project?  Very interesting!

Thanks,

Dom

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Hey Charlie,

Could you update us on this project?  Very interesting!

Thanks,

Dom



Nothing has changes since the last update, all that survived the winter were doing fine at that point.  Have gotten a lot of figs off many of them this year, made and gave away many air layers from them.  Now we're perfecting single node air layering.  That's really neat. :)

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Hello Charlie,

Thanks for this great experiment, it inspired me to do some single node rootings last winter. I started a bunch in January, and they rooted well. However, after producing a few tiny leaves the process stalled and I had great difficulty to keep the humidity, temperature etc right in the indoor set-up. I lost all but one bij moulding and loss of leaves. Early April I started out again and when the one node cuttings had tiny leaves it was early May and was able to put the pots in a sheltered spot in the garden. Fresh air clearly helped them. These cuttings all survived and are still doing well.
The lesson I learned from this is NOT to start too early with rooting cuttings so to be able to put them outdoors in medium-sized pots (10 liter, about 2,5 gallon) early when the weather gets nice.

Thanks again for all your inspiring posts in this topic!

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Originally Posted by Vijgenboom
Hello Charlie, Thanks for this great experiment, it inspired me to do some single node rootings last winter. I started a bunch in January, and they rooted well. However, after producing a few tiny leaves the process stalled and I had great difficulty to keep the humidity, temperature etc right in the indoor set-up. I lost all but one bij moulding and loss of leaves. Early April I started out again and when the one node cuttings had tiny leaves it was early May and was able to put the pots in a sheltered spot in the garden. Fresh air clearly helped them. These cuttings all survived and are still doing well. The lesson I learned from this is NOT to start too early with rooting cuttings so to be able to put them outdoors in medium-sized pots (10 liter, about 2,5 gallon) early when the weather gets nice. Thanks again for all your inspiring posts in this topic!


Awesome on you for sticking with it even after some fails!  Too many give up too quickly.  I like that you went to larger containers asap.  Any more I like to start them out in nothing less than a gallon. It's too easy for me to drown cuttings in small containers. 

This is an example and actual inspiration of the next step in the evolution of single node cuttings.

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This cutting was buried horizontally in the wicking sand bucket experiment I'm not sure was ever posted here, don't remember.  It evolved into Winter of 2015 indoor grow room project where the buckets were abandoned and replaced with 2-gallon Root Pouch grow bags full of coarse sand, sitting in bucket bottoms and fertigated with hydro nutrients.

Anyway, see how each node sprouted growth and roots.  These were separated and potted into their own grow bags and eventually made it into the ground where they grew last year and are now dormant with piles of grass around their base to winter protect the lower stalk and roots.

The same principal applies to a growing stem when enclosed in a section of split pvc pipe, filled with damp sand, much like a very long air layer.  Done in the fall, giving time to root before going dormant, every node in the pipe will form roots and also in the spaces between nodes in my trials.  Let it go dormant and remove pipe and all from the mother.  

The pipe can be laid into a section of rain guttering having sealed ends and water, like a mini trough.  Open up the split pvc pipe and the sand simply will fall away into the trough, leaving you with a long section of stem with clean pre-rooted nodes.

Where single node cuttings failed, I believe the major cause being moisture control until viable roots form, using pre-rooted nodes greatly enhances the survival.  I don't claim it to be 100% but it's very close. You still have to get them transplanted and growing.  Some just will not survive. 

There, the secret is out.  You can't get every node on any given stem, simply because they get really close towards the tip.  You will end up with many workable single nodes, depending on the length of your pvc tube, and a good rooted cutting from the tip with several nodes.  Some nodes will have already tried to send out a lateral stem but it will be all white and frail looking.  This isn't a problem and will green up as any node shoot given ample light when it comes out of dormancy.

I have referred to this in some places as single node air layering but never showed anyone or fully explained it. Somebody else here has been dabbling with it to some degree but I'm unsure of their progress or exact methods and materials.  I use the same sand from the sand plant as was used in the grow room project, 10-20 sifted so that none of it will go through a 20 mesh window screen.

There's no reason why anyone cannot now produce hundreds of plants quickly from one healthy plant.  Have fun. There may be a photo tutorial coming, I haven't decided yet.  This forum is still on probation and I'm semi pissed at the other one.  [1f603] 

Charlie, keep posting, we are very interested, I don't think anyone here will be negative with you and your innovative discoveries from your inquisitive methods of research. We love reading your threads. Just down to earth members here, having fun, until we get some hit and run new members trying to stir things up hoping to see this forum come to a close, a couple older members will always be negative, learn who they are and skip their posts. Give us a chance to get off probation.

Really cool, congratulations on all of you success. I may have to try this next year!!

Amazing. Thank you for your time Charlie!

been reading this thread all morning, Cheers! 

Hey Charlie: First off, thanks so much for all the information you always give us on your experiments! I love to read about them!

I know there's good folks here.  Just really dislike the lack of moderation free for all's in some topics and anyone who makes fun of, belittles or bashes my buddy Richie figpig.  [1f603] 

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