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Cagada!!! Hahahaha, I haven't thought of that word for years... :-)

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Richard, I know of it as a Portuguese word, hearing it once in a while when I was a kid.  The first sort of Portuguese word I learned, of course!

Okay, here is another update as I promised earlier.  As I posted early on, I made a purchase from korina-2009 and korina77-2008 to help verify the PayPal account associated with these sellers.  I spent $35 doing so just to confirm my suspicions.  In the end, I learned that neither seller account deals with problems as required by eBay policies and my effort ended up costing me nothing.

korina77-2008 sent me a tiny cutting, skinnier than a pencil, that was very dry. It was in a plastic envelope but not a plastic bag.  A paper towel was also enclosed and was "bone dry".  I wrote and said this was not acceptable. eBay has a 14 day money back.  She told me to go ahead and return it.  She received it on 1/26 but didn't refund me and I wrote to her one or two times with no response. Today was her last day to make a refund and I escalated it to a "case" and eBay refunded my payment a few hours later.

korina-2009 sent me cuttings, presumably, but USPS lost the package. She didn't think that was her fault. I told her it wasn't her fault but her responsibility to delivery the item to me. She refused to do anything about it so I opened a case last week and eBay promptly refunded my payment.
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Thank you harvey
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"Another member contacted me and informed me of concerns of cuttings he purchased from 77peony which is used by the same person using the svet_vasyl-2008 account (and maybe others).  The paperwork that arrived with cuttings from 77peony had the following notice which seems to be an effort to cover-up discrepancies for mislabeled fig cuttings."

77peony is offering cuttings of "ST.JEAN". She says: 

“All “mother trees” bought from Encanto Farms as a starter trees or cuttings. All trees grown in a pots in zone 6 for propagation purpose only and kept indoors during dormancy. Please do not ask for pictures of a figs, as all figs removed to encourage growing of tree itself. In any case will not see many figs in zone 6 without special care. If you do not want to bother with starting cuttings please come back in April, when I will sell a rooted starters of all varieties I have for sale now. Do not be shy, ask all questions, I will share all information about figs and varieties I have so far. Please ask all questions before you bid. Thank you.”

Is it possible she is trying to make right and get the correct cuttings or could she be lying about having trees from Encanto Farms? She doesn’t sound like she’ll be going away any time soon.
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Either way, not getting my $.
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Folks when you sell or trade your cuttings use a paint pen to write the type in the middle of the cutting. It soaks in and there is no way to remove it. At the very least, it will help with a lot of the resale scamming going on. If people buy our figs and try to resell them, at least the buyer will see what they really are or that they have been altered.

Can't fix everything, but buy/trade from those on this board and do a few little things.
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Nick, that is a super idea! Not just for identification and mislabeling in the future, but now for prevention of fraud on resales, good idea.
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That is a good idea. What paint pen should I use ? I had a sharpie but the tip was dried out and it just spilled paint everywhere when I applied pressure.
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I use what I can find local,sharpie oil base paint marker.
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I did that on the cuttings I sold Alex (abcd) but still think it might be able to be removed.
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Harvey how is it these scammers (some) have a 96.5% positive rating? Outrageous.
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Well if they are selling Harvey's cutting, then the cuttings look great when they get them... and by the time they know they were ripped off it is too late to leave bad feedback. I have 100% positive feedback and if the person I am thinking of buying from doesn't I am sure to check why.
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Also, I saw one Asian customer left a positive feedback rating but his comment said "no good".  Some folks that have complained, Hershell included, have got refunds so I don't think they left negative feedback.
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I did that on the cuttings I sold Alex (abcd) but still think it might be able to be removed.


Harvey was it an oil based pen? If they got it off, they really worked for it :)
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Harvey how is it these scammers (some) have a 96.5% positive rating? Outrageous.


I guess the buyers receive healthy looking cuttings in a timely manner and leaves positive feedback.  Unfortunately when they finally root and the buyer realizes they are not the variety they thought they bought it is more than 60 days and it is to late to leave negative feedback.
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They could also put the cutting label side down.  Many of them use a stock photo to represent the cuttings.  One seller had the same 4 cutting for about 8 varieties.  If they found a source of cheap cuttings it would take months for you to find out you were ripped off.
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But when you get the cuttings at least you can immediately give them negative feedback and file for a refund with ebay.
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Seems to me that anyone buying 25 cuttings of any one cultivar all at once should at least raise an eyebrow.  I have 2 cuttings of some cultivars and hope to get one tree, 8 cuttings of others and I'm not sure what I'm going to do with all of them when they are trees.  And that's just 8!!!


 

I remember when Armando used to kill at least 25 sticks a week << Just teasing', Armando! :) Glad to see your green thumb's growing in!  >>
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I guess its good to at least have the opportunity......... It is better to Love and Lost than to never have Loved my figs...LOL   I have lost only about 300 cuttings almost one a day...LOL
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Nick, I can't say for sure if my paint pen marking was taken off but I had figured I could have done it if I wanted (won't go into how).

In other developments....

I find it appropriate to note that F4F's relatively new member "bernard" is just another ID used by Alex (who also uses the ID of "abcd").  Be careful with who you deal with.
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In another thread, abcd posted that I was competing (bidding) against him on an auction and posted a link to the winning bidder and my second place bid.  This reveals that peonia2015 is the new ID being used by Alex or one of his companion scammers, previously known as atskor10 and, before that, atskor8 (Yekaterina is the name associated with the account).

As it so happens, peonia2015 purchased Rob's Genovese Nero from me recently and initiated a refund request a short time ago after abcd got involved in a dispute with another thief I confronted earlier today.  The explanation for the request was that he doubted that the cutting was from fig and that it was dead anyways.  That obviously is not the case but I'm accepting the return since it makes the best use of my time.  It just goes to further show what a thief they are.  All other buys were very pleased with the cuttings.  This sale was for 8 cuttings for $80 of which 50% was donated to Unbound but I've already made the donation.  Jerks.
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Harvey, I was watching the other thread and trust you.  abcd is trying to justify something, not sure what.  I did comment that bolding red cap letters was a childish way to communicate on this, or any forum.  He/She has a definite problem with the truth.  Good luck bro!
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If any eBay sellers have received return requests from eBay buyer peonia2015 or any of these other scammers, please send me a PM or email.
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Today I ask Korina-2009 if I could see pictures of the mother tree where the Vaccaro cuttings came from. I was told, "sure". But never sent any pictures. All I can say is, "buyer beware"
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Thanks Harvey I am on lookout.
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Harvey, you have mail.
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wow! I just got this from Korina-2009 on eBay....

Dear dee-jay-n-jackie,

"Harvey, you have mail. "
Agree that Harvey is a " paste tense" it is a new blood of fig growers.
Live with it, stop going to your "mummy" to wipe you behind every time.

- korina-2009
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I know I shouldn't but I have to laugh. Nice public relations way of selling, must be the new blood way.
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Well, all I can say is very careful folks. I don't know who Korina-2009 is but this person is emailing me on eBay about my posting here. They're mad I posted their replies to me on this forum Well, that's OK. I'm glad they're reading these post. All I asked is to see either fruit pics or mother tree pics and I got none.

I think it's time I call eBay and report this person. Again, buyers, please beware.
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Dennis, get them on Facebook, twitter.  I am a lost soul today.  Pretty sick with this bronchitis thing.  They are there if they sell anything.
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Will do! Thanks Suzi!

Trust me, this person is reading every word written on this forum. and that's good! I just hope anyone wanting to buy cuttings from unknown sellers ask a lot of questions before buying from them. In the future, I will not sell cuttings or trees to this person on eBay or here.
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From korina-2009-----

Dear dee-jay-n-jackie,

How fast you get polite, too bad I already sent all your comments here and on forum to eBay- let them see how you provoking me for nothing and spreading rumors about me.

"In the future, I will not sell cuttings or trees to this person on eBay or here. "

By the way, thank you, but I do not need more cuttings or fig trees- I have my suppliers, many of them from F4F. Why they are not joining your action of ignoring me ?



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Yikes.  Customer service at it finest.  I think a lot of guests come here to see what people are saying.  I read a bunch of posts and looked a tons of pictures before I ventured into the treacherous waters of fig buying.  I looked a long time growers who seemed helpful and knowledge and seemed to have a real passion for what they were doing.  Lots of great comments from other members helped too which is why I always try to leave a note here for people I've had good experiences with.  I think this year my collection will have grown to 70 plus varieties and I feel that most if not all came from people who tried their best to send accurately labelled and identified figs. 
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Things are getting "interesting" but I'm hopeful of it all working out eventually, but will withhold details until such time.  In any event, taking some hits is worth it for the helping make the marketplace safer for those wishing to buy or sell fig cuttings.  I'm certainly not doing this for my own benefit.
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Thanks for putting forth such effort to alert the fig enthusiastic community of these bad sellers on eBay. I buy and sell on ebay as plant-creator and surly do not want to receive any mis-labeled material.
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Another ebay seller to look out for would be plant1onme. Bought bare root trees from seller and they ended up being something totally different than description. Tried to contact seller and no response. BE AWARE ! Thank you harveyc for your investigative work. I also take this kind of stuff seriously, we don't need more confusion with fig varieties. Shame on these crooks!
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I got screwed by them too.
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Thank you Harvey for the post. It's very frustrating buying from eBay especially as a newer fig collector when you're in that "I just gotta have every variety" mindset. We all go through it and sometimes it just never goes away.


Come ' on bud break!
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I got screwed by them too.


Who?
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Wow!  Lots of feedback with this seller.  They answer all of their negative feedback, too.  Was going through some of their
auctions and some of their pictures are hijacked from other websites.  Don't know if they're a nursery or what.  For the
amount of stuff they sell, they should be.

How did you get screwed, Brian?
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Feedback isn't really a good measurement for fig verification.  Why?  Because it may take months to find out that the cuttings they sold isn't the real deal.  And you can't go back and change your feedback!  This becomes a problem for serious fig nurseries and collectors because they could sell trees from those fake cuttings poisoning the community.  I believe this is what has happened to the confusion between Brown Turkey and Texas Everbearing.
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You're absolutely correct, Dennis.  eBay's feedback system is a good system of measurement for the seller, though.  It's a useful tool that helps paint the picture of what you hope will be a good transaction.  But it should not be used as a voucher for figs at all.  eBay is definitely a good tool for hobbyists and professionals.  What's the answer?
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The answer is go with your gut feelings, if it sounds too good to be true it probably is. I buy and sell, and only buy from people that I see on here that have good reputations. I believe that anyone who sells cuttings on ebay should back them up with good customer service, if the cuttings fail and the buyers contact me I try to accomodate them as best I can, it's the right thing to do, and I would expect the same from those I buy cuttings from, in fact I have been sent new cuttings when the ones I bought failed. 
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Scott - I have to agree and disagree with you.  

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The answer is go with your gut feelings, if it sounds too good to be true it probably is. I buy and sell, and only buy from people that I see on here that have good reputations. I believe that anyone who sells cuttings on eBay should back them up with good customer service,


Absolutely!  If everyone followed these rules this thread would not be 4 pages long.

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if the cuttings fail and the buyers contact me I try to accomodate them as best I can, it's the right thing to do, and I would expect the same from those I buy cuttings from, in fact I have been sent new cuttings when the ones I bought failed.


Can't completely agree with this and believe it's part of the problem.  Here's my feelings; When you agree to buy cuttings from someone, be it on eBay, from someone on this forum, a nursery, etc, you are buying a product, not a contract.  When cuttings fail, we all know that most of the time it is the fault of the grower.  How can the seller be on the hook for that?  If, on the other hand, a buyer receives cuttings that are of poor quality, dead, etc, then sellers should definitely be held accountable.

On the flip side, if a seller chooses to guarantee rooting or to back up his/her cuttings at a later date, that is completely up to that particular seller and should not be the norm.  Most of us are hobbyists and do not make a profit selling cuttings or extra plants.  Growing figs is a very expensive proposition and we only hope to make enough money to cover the cost of a little soil or perlite.

I purchased an expensive variety back in Oct or Nov of 2014.  I posted about its demise on this forum recently.  Without any prompting, the seller was kind enough to reach out to me and asked if I wanted cuttings, a replacement, etc.  I refused because it was not his fault.

Of course none of this has anything to do with the scammers at large.  Very upsetting :(
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Hi

I think I agree with both of you to a degree.
The scammers are dirt no matter what their reasons.  There is always an honest way to do something and they have not picked that path.

I think many of the sellers here would help out if someone lost their cuttings because they are good people with a real interest in seeing people succeed at this hobby.  I think in the long run it is good for business.  Who would you be more likely to go back to for your next cutting?
That being said I don't think everyone replaces cuttings and certainly it is not implied in any sale unless they use something will grow or your money back.  It wouldn't stop me from buying a cutting if I really wanted it.

If the cuttings arrive in poor shape then I think that the seller should replace them unless there are other circumstances.  Like your spouse put them in the freezer to keep them fresh.

I feel that so many of the sellers do go way above what is expected.
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Sent them an email regarding their CDDG for sale.  No response.  Feel bad for the person that won it.
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Yea i already fell for the cddg recently. The cutting only had two nodes with one cut through so its a goner. No response either.
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Please keep this thread on track by discussing the group of scammers that are working together (see post #1) as it's already confusing enough to follow. plant1onme has nothing to do with this group of sellers and there are no apparent ties to F4F. Thanks
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There's a thread, Looking for figs cuttings wholesale price!! It's got a lot of views but no replies (unless as PM). I suspect that this thread is the reason no one is replying. I was wondering if Sofia had been mentioned in this thread but don't have the patience to wade through four pages of comments. I would like to see a simple list of problem sellers that would be easy to refer to if a question comes up. I don't have cuttings to sell so it's just idle curiosity at this point. I do, sometimes, buy cuttings and it would be nice to have a quick reference when something I want comes around.
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