abcd..."Where for art thou Romeo"?

He.s back tracking deleting his old post.

Thank you Harvey, for bringing this matter up. When I offered cuttings of Osborne Prolific to members a couple of weeks ago for just the shipping cost, I was contacted quickly by abcd. He asked for 3 packages. I thought that was odd, but maybe newbie exuberence. I sent him 2, and he paid the shipping. Soon I noticed O P cuttings offered on ebay, by the seller 2014.gulen. Quite a coincidence that this seller is in River Edge, N.J., same as abcd.

So sad.  So tired of reading about people getting ripped off. 

Me too. I got scammed but dont want to hear about but we all need to. I am new member and was really enjoying it then all the sudden ebay got it then now going here. Sad day for figs : (

Thank-you for your efforts in exposing this. His thread about the greek fig/import papers, smelled fishy enough for me to want to avoid him here. But I (or others) maybe would have dealt with him on Ebay, not knowing the connection. I think you gathered strong enough evidence before outing him, and him backtracking his posts adds to your case. Thank-you again.

Regards,
billy

hello everyone.
i have to go with Harvey on this one.
this abcd person wanted me to sell him some cuttings.
i caught him lying to me... and that was that!!!

His screen name was good enough for me not to trust him... ABCD??? Atleast put some effort into it...

I've been here over a year and cant get 1 Panache. New guy comes in and walks away with 25. LOL. Guess I am doing something wrong..
Thanks for the heads up. I can go buy one of his jolly tigers and know its really a Panache.
Just kidding of course. I wont support someone who is dishonest. Hopefully UCD or John will come through this year..

Jeff I should be running into some 2-3 feet tall Panache pretty soon, let me know if you want me to buy it and send it to you. I am going to see some private tree nurseries in a few weeks.

WOW!!! great ending to a great story!!! 
best of luck with your sales.

Thanks for the detective work, Harvey.

Funny enough, abcd told me someone was selling him hundreds of Celeste cuttings for 50 cents each... I wonder what they are sell as on eBay. I have no problem with anyone selling anything they got legally, but saying they are something they are not is the problem.

Great work, Harvey.  It stinks that there are some people that take advantage of the community.  It makes you think twice before gifting cuttings anymore.
Nothing wrong with selling cuttings/trees of your own.  It's HOW you do it.

Don't let that 1 bad fig ruin the whole tree.
starting my very first cutting today ,Dominicks sweet Diana 
will post if any luck with them..

I was going to write a page of information.  But Harvey as the facts and I don't need to add anymore.  Nice work Harvey bringing this to everyone's attention.  Good job!

Selling a cutting as one variety but it is in reality another variety is morally wrong.  Thanks for the heads up.

But legitimately buying large quantities of cuttings with the intention of re-selling (anywhere) is called business. That is what nurseries do.

I'm looking for 50-100 cuttings of VdB cheap for eventual re-sale as plants, how is this wrong?  Anyone providing me with them will have to know they are for future sales, right? 

Lots of scumbags on ebay.  Thanks Harvey.

You know what's interesting is there was another thread about someone in PA being tied to someone in NJ.  I think it was the Korina something or another ebayer.  And I recall someone saying the person sent a really mean and bigoted response to them.  The response seemed to read a lot like abcd's response above.  Maybe another link?  Just sayin!
Timothy

Oh yeah...the situation in this thread seems sketchy.  There's no way to frame it that could look good.

Okay my memory was a little fuzzy.  Apparently I crossed a couple stories in my mind but here are the details.
ediblelandscaping.sc had this quote:

To Jeff looking for the Panache, you can always get a nice sized tree from Bill's Figs in Flemington NJ. I think they are $35. Not sure if he ships however.

As to the criminal enterprise, it's hard to fathom. If you have this much criminal talent wouldn't it be more profitable to work in a different criminal enterprise? That's a lot of work for not that much money ... ?

Oh, WOW!!! Thanks Harvey.

As a new member on the forum I feel as though I am at a historic Witch Burning. This is great information and hopefully can save a lot of forum members a lot of lost time and money.  Personally I have not felt comfortable enough yet to either buy or trade anything fig related on line.  All of my present fig collection has come from Bills Figs in Flemington because I like to see the mother tree and get advice about how it stands up to the New Jersey climate. As a matter of fact just this year I wanted to buy one of his Panache trees and although he had some, he didn't recommend it for our climate [something that you can't get on line].  Even after a short time as a member I think people on this forum are for the most part dedicated and honest fig lovers and sometimes you just have to go with your gut feeling and buyer or seller Beware.

I think your right Joe, and it was a gut feeling that got Harvey and I talking and then he talked to others....I think it is important as a community that we look out for each other. So when I notice something hinky I will say something and some times seek the advice of others to see if they noticed anything either.
I hope that this makes us a better group and helps new people not get suckered and then soured on growing figs.