Hi Buonnatale2u,
"Rouge de bordeaux" and "Ronde de bordeaux" are two different strains.
If you have "violet de bordeaux" it is be "Rouge de bordeaux" the first being the English name and the second being the French name.
In France, there is no strain named "violet de Bordeaux" and Bordeaux is a town of southern France :) .

Thank you JD! Yes, I do have Ronde de Bordeaux and Violetto de Bordeaux. Now I know I do not need to request Rouge de Bordeaux from Jon. I am ok with translating the Italian named figs, but non whatsoever when it comes to French.

Christy, it's great to see you posting again!  I think you are the first person I traded with - the Sicilian Red I got from you is doing well, or was before the all the cold!

Attention to all!!!
This being a season for elaborating our collection of fig, can be very confusing with Duplicate names and different Synonyms for the same fig variety.
Be very wise when purchasing, double check your inventory and make sure you are buying a different variety, no matter (sometimes) what the sellers call it. It is your responsibility to know what you are buying.

Ok, I have another synonym question,,,,

I see on the first post that Black Jack is the same as Petite Negra?

Is Petite Negra and Petite Negri also the same?

Does Petite Negra have anything to do with Petite Aubuique?

I have Black Jack, and Petite Aubuique. I lost my Petite Negra, and was going to try and replace it. However, if Black Jack and Petite Negra are the same, then is there even a reason for me to replace Black Negra if already have Black Jack?

I hope that was not too confusing! Thank you for the help! Christy

Black Jack is also Brown Turkey, LOL

So, black jack/petite Negra/ is the same as brown turkey? The Petite Negra did not look like a BT. Actually, my Petite Negra that did not make it looked closer to my Petite Aubuique. I never even knew before reading this post that Black Jack and Petite Negra were related.

I know Logees Nursery has a Petite Negra that is suppose actually be "Petite". I am just wondering if I should go out of my way to purchase it for $17 when I do have Black Jack and Petite Aubique.

Here is Logee's tree link

http://www.logees.com/Fig-Petite-Negra/productinfo/R1710%2D4/

Boy, these fig synonyms are a pain to figure out!

I'm not sure about Petite Negra Christy, you are gonna have to wait till my List is complete ;)

Hi buonnatale2u,
The leaves of the photo are nothing close to the ones of my brownturkey.
I don't think that my brownurkey would fit in such a small pot.
The tree looks nice. I wouldn't hesitate to give it a try .
And let us know :)

UCD genotyped the "Black Jack" in its collection as a California Brown Turkey...maybe a dwarf variant. If Black jack is a misnomer for Petite Negri (a Negronne/VdB-type), then it's a case of "two figs, same name." Anything is possible when dealing with commercial nursery distribution.

Rick C
Black Jack has nothing to do with Negronne which is also for VdB and Mission.
Is there anything I should know about the relationship between Negronne and Black Jack. 

Aaron, my understanding is (hope it doesn't come off as snobby, it's just MY understanding)....

Negronne: umbrella term (and perhaps the correct term as used by French collectors ...see Baud) for what that Americans call Violette de Bordeaux (VdB).
Petite Negri is the term for the dwarf variety of Negronne (or a close sibling) as named by a gentleman associated with Edible Landscapes. It has been suggested that Petite Negri was originally given to Black Ischia a century ago, but EL resurrected the name for its dwarf Negronne offering (because the name is good for a dark dwarf variety). In the US, Petite Negri should only be used for the dwarf Negronne/VdB type tree (as issued by EL, etc.) To add some confusion, The Vista Mission is not a Black Mission. It has been since genetically matched to the Negronne/VdB family. Jon V. has mentioned this in several postings. I don't know of any case where the term Negronne should be appropriately be associated with the "true" Black Mission/Franciscan fig. As a note, Negronne should not be a catch-all for all Bordeaux figs (Ronde dB and Rouge dB are completely different). Also, according to UCD, Beer's Black is a Negronne/VdB type.  

Black Jack should probably be used only for the dwarf California Brown Turkey...but it's a catchy name and I'm sure a number of local growers might have used the term over the years for different varieties. 

I don't know what to make of the photo and description of the "Petite Negra" on Logee's website. Other than it means "Little Black." If the picture is true, it's not the same as Petite Negri. It is probably the dwarf Turkey/Black Jack. I wouldn't buy it simply because it makes me think they have no idea what they're selling (unless I was just curious and didn't mind getting a *surprise* fig).

If you haven't seen it, here's UCDs genotype results. Keep in mind, if a scion was misnamed when submitted, errors would of course occur in the results. Also keep in mind that being a 99% match doesn't mean the trees are identical...someone pointed out that people and monkeys are 99% the same ;)
http://figs4fun.com/Links/FigLink1110.pdf  UCDs method was to make several markers in the DNA strand and try to match sections of the strand...this is different that genome matching the entire DNA strand. But it's an interesting and useful way to get some grasp on synonymity and also rule out some cultivars that seem to look a lot alike but maybe be genetically VERY different.

Hope this helps...it's about all I can add this thread. The rest we'll just enjoy as part of the romance and adventure of gardening/figging :)

Lovely. Thank you for the time you put into this Rick.I really appreciate it.

Just for the records...Portuguese Fig Varieties good information.

Important addition from past, thank you George.
BelleclareFigList.txt

MY Gwad, I am terribly confused by Petite Negra/Petite Negri and VdB and Negronne!

A lot to read and more confusion, thanks Arron for directed me here and I am awaiting to read more, lol.

I have yet to get that conclusion, about what exactly Petite Negra is and if it's the same with Petit Negri?

My o My

Your answer is out there. When I want good info I filter my results, for variety info I look to Herman2 who has seen it all and has a sharp eye.

So I searchGoogle  for: Petite Negri Negra Herman2 site:figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com

A top result has your answer.

@hoosierbanana, Thanks a bunch for the tips as to search, I've spent my weekend reading and searching but certainly wrong keywords or wrong places or just totally confused...lol.

Thanks again!
K

So, is Black Jack also known as Petite Negra???

Hey Aaron... Newbie to this site and to figs, learning alot though... Where in LA are you? El Monte here...

Hello Simon, Welcome to THE Forum. This is where all happens :)

So, what's another word for synonym?

AKA?

Alan,

Also Known As should be same as... where Alias would be a false name...am I wrong?