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Synonyms to fig varieties

Hi everbody,
I need your all help to complete my list of Synonyms.
I am looking for all the "other names" of fig varieties that we are dealing with here.
*The purpose of this list is to lessen the confusion for fig tree buyers and collectors when it comes to names and the synonyms used for them. Often we all buy things more then once because the fig tree or the cutting was named by the name or the synonym (the other name) given to it. This , by all means, is nothing of a seller's fault but the buyer's lack of proper knowledge of name/synonym for each variety. By having a revised and more accurate version of the list we can all benefit by saving money, space in our gardens and confusion. 

Please feel free to write whatever comes to mind about names and synonyms and at the end we will have a huge list with all the Synonyms.

For example, it can go something like this...
Armenian Great White/Petrelli,
Brunswick/Magnolia/Madonna/Dalmatia,
Black Jack/Petite Negra,
Violet de Bordeaux/Negronne,  
Sultane/Noire de juillet/Bellone bifère/Sultani,  
Kadota/Pingo de Mell/Dottato,
California Brown Turkey/San Piero/Genoa Black in Italy/UCD Germaplasm have it under DFIC 17 Brown Turkey


This process will consist of several steps, first names/synonyms, second pictures of fruit and leaf, the third (elimination of wrong and duplicate), then entire list will be taken to respected organizations to compare with their databases and then only then it may be ready to be used by independent figgers and other level of dealers of figs. 

*** Do NOT depend on this nor use this information during the process , since we all know, it will be very confusing and misleading to most if not all of us.




Search forum for "synonyms" and you will get a few threads on the subject.

jon's db has most listed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron4USA
I am looking for all the "other names" of fig varieties that we are dealing with here.
Please feel free to write whatever comes to mind and at the end we will have a huge list with all the Synonyms.


It appears what we are looking at here is what is in the frige.

Jake, I have 120 varieties in the frige...FYI (but that's not the issue)
I put samples of name and how they can have several synonyms.. ;)

I've been jotting down synoyms when ever I see them mentioned.  IDK how accurate these are but here it is and IDK how to better organize them.

UCD # 0445 = Calabrese Long

 

Afgan A - Caucasus 3

Archipel,  Malcoms Super Giant, Drap Dor, and Encanto Brown Turkey

BLACK MADEIRA FIG IN PORTUGUES IS BREBA PRETA

Brown Turkey, CA Brown Turkey, Walker, Braun Turkey, Black Jack and Blue Giant Aubique Noire, Negro        

*** California Brown Turkey, aka San Piero or Black Genoa...??

'Brunswick' ('Magnolia, Vashon Violet

Largo, Brown Naples, Common Blue, English Brown Turkey

Brunswick, Rattlesnake, Capitola Long, Doree and Red Italian, Magnolia?

Celeste (aka Malta, Celestial, Conant, Sugar Fig, and Tennessee Mountain Fig)

Calvert-

Col de Dame – Maho -

Cosenza- Chiapetta

Deanna, Orphan, UCR 278-128 and Algerian Watts

Delmatie _ Stellaemon, Dokkar, LSU Everbearing, White Texas Everbearing, Kadota and Trojano

Dalmatia - Magnolia,Madonna

Genoa, White Genoa, Harvey Adriatic and Genoa'Genoa'

Green Ischia-  Verte, (is not Strwbery verte) Coeur - Verdale -

Improved Celeste- O'Rourke supported in the notes, LSU Ag Center,

Italian 258 - Italian 320

Jurupa, Excel?  Gulbun?

Kadota,White Endich, Florentine, Honey, Dattato

Latarulla (not Laterolla) Latarulla is same as Italian Honey Black Mountain fig

Lemon,aka Marseilles,  Dokkar, LSU Everbearing, White Texas Everbearing?

 

Magnolia- Madonna, Dalmatia

Marabout - UCR 291-4

Nero-  Blk Greek

Noire de Caromb, Cuello Dama Negro and Charles Allen, Douqueira Negra

Panachee - Italian 256, (per Celt) pinache is Bordisotte Blanca Rimada “ It's a stripped version of either col de dame or bourjasotte”.

Paradiso, Monstrueuse and Ischia Green, Genova, Genovese

Pastiliere - Rouge de Bordeaux

Purple Genca' ('Black Genoa'; 'Black Spanish'

Roeding - Capri A

Ronde de Bordeaux, Figue de Bordeaux, Précoce de Barcelone

Sal's, Dark No. 1 Portuguese and Abruzzi

San Joao - Roscoff

San Petro -Yougo 7

Santa Cruz Dark - Giant Amber

St Jeromes , Black Triana

Vista, Mission. VdB, Beers Black - Violette de Bordeaux ,

Verte –Calverte  some say maybe Ischia Green ,  But Verte becomes more yellow and not a tight eye

Violette de Sollies-Black of Bourjasotte, Burjassot Negre, Solliès, , Bourdissot, Negro Largo,

      Brogiotto  Nero, Parisienne, , Negro Largo (Espagne)

White marseilles – Lemon.

White San Pedro - Italian 372

Quote:
Originally Posted by bullet08
jon's db has most listed.


Ditto.

 I cant find Jon's database of fig synonyms.  Could someone tell me where it is. 
Thank you

Jon has the biggest fig (F. carica) data-base on our good earth.
He lists both the names and description 'as-is' from the source.

Most have synonym name(s) added to the best of ones knowledge.

Sometimes, it may add to more confusion, remember that;
there are same-exact-figs with different-names
and
there are different-figs with the same-exact-name ...

bth_giggle2.gif  Ohhh I was looking for a list of synonyms. 
Aaron4USA are you going to try to compile a list of them?  I wish someone would for at least the popular ones .


Quote:
Originally Posted by gorgi
Jon has the biggest fig (F. carica) data-base on our good earth.
He lists both the names and description 'as-is' from the source.

Most have synonym name(s) added to the best of ones knowledge.

Sometimes, it may add to more confusion, remember that;
there are same-exact-figs with different-names
and
there are different-figs with the same-exact-name ...


AND

O'Rourke is an Improved Celeste

BUT

Not all Improved Celeste are O'Rourkes!!!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by gorgi
Jon has the biggest fig (F. carica) data-base on our good earth.
He lists both the names and description 'as-is' from the source.

Most have synonym name(s) added to the best of ones knowledge.

Sometimes, it may add to more confusion, remember that;
there are same-exact-figs with different-names
and
there are different-figs with the same-exact-name ...
George , no offense  but that's an oxymoron, if there are few fig varieties with same name only ONE can be the true name holder. But I trust your experienced judgment so I'm keeping an open mind ;)
 

Soni, that's exactly the format I was looking to find or we all create ;)
Lovely job.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkman
Quote:
Originally Posted by gorgi
Jon has the biggest fig (F. carica) data-base on our good earth.
He lists both the names and description 'as-is' from the source.

Most have synonym name(s) added to the best of ones knowledge.

Sometimes, it may add to more confusion, remember that;
there are same-exact-figs with different-names
and
there are different-figs with the same-exact-name ...


AND

O'Rourke is an Improved Celeste

BUT

Not all Improved Celeste are O'Rourkes!!!!!
Interesting point ;)
Love your backyard BTW, but...where are the fig trees man, LOL

Quote:
Originally Posted by SoniSoni
bth_giggle2.gif  Ohhh I was looking for a list of synonyms. 
Aaron4USA are you going to try to compile a list of them?  I wish someone would for at least the popular ones .
That's my intention Soni, i need as much as info as possible. After the list is near complete I will consolidate and edit the original thread, so the world will see the possibilities the Ficus Carica can provide to humanity.
Now imagene ... attaching to this, pictures and leaf shapes...
WOW! A Complete Encyclopedia FIG!
Collectively, anything is possible.

    Jon has the synonyms in his data bank but it's difficult to follow the trail of synonyms in that format.  It would be very useful info for figsters to have a compiled list on hand.   
  Wow can you imagine the potential a forum this large has to compile data?   A new glossary, dictionary, or... encyclopedia of figs would be great.  Sheesh that would be a big job but would be great. 

Thanks Soni for the list.  It is a great quick reference for me;  I wonder if I've bought Magnolia when it was listed as Brunswick.  Time will tell. 
     Also can you tell me what vs means?  Like Marseilles vs.  and baud? I get confused about Sal's also.  I am still new here.   Thanks.

Soni,

Thanks for the list. I found this there:
Longue D'Aout/ -Figo Preto Fig

I thought that F.Preto resembles the Black Madeira. Why the LdA? 

Figbert,  I asked the same question and I was told The V is a man's name and S means "strain"  I believe Baud is a a fig nursery in France.The man's name

  I really dont know how accurate this list is.  I just took notes whenever I saw a synonym being discussed.

 These are redundant, but validated.    I dont't recall where I copied this from,  maybe in this forum:

"The folks at the NCGR & UC Davis published a paper in 2010 showing the genetic relatedness of 194 figs in their collection.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2860561/pdf/10709_2010_Article_9442.pdf

 

In a number of cases, they found certain figs to be the same at the level of discrimination their testing allowed. There was both agreement with the "sameness" and disagreement for a couple of the cases in the responses after my initial post. There is a ton of experience on this forum with many (most? all?) of these cultivars. I would really be interested in peoples' experiences with these cultivars noted as "the same" and why you believe them to be the same or not the same.

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Figs found to be the "same" by the SSR markers are:

 

 Adriatic and Lamperia

 Afgan A and Caucasus 3

 Archipel, Malcoms Super Giant, Drap Dor, and Encanto Brown Turkey

 Brown Turkey, CA Brown Turkey, Walker, Braun Turkey, Black Jack and Blue Giant

 Brunswick, Rattlesnake, Capitola Long, Doree and Red Italian

 Col de Dame and Maho

Deanna, Orphan, UCR 278-128 and Algerian Watts

Genoa White, Harvey Adriatic and Genoa

 Gulbun and Jurupa

 Italian 258 and Italian 320

Lemon, Dokkar, LSU Everbearing, White Texas Everbearing, Kadota and Trojano

 Marabout and UCR 291-4

 Noire de Caromb, Cuello Dama Negro and Charles Allen

 Panachee and Italian 256

 Paradiso, Monstrueuse and Ischia Green

 Pastiliere and Rouge de Bordeaux

Roeding and Capri A

 Sal's, Dark No. 1 Portuguese and Abruzzi

 San Joao and Roscoff

 San Petro and Yougo 7

 Santa Cruz Dark and Giant Amber

 Verte and Calverte

 Vista, Beers Black and Violette de Bordeaux

 White San Pedro and Italian 372

 

here's another one for you From Hilgardia .

Marseillaise Black (syns. Black Marseilles, Marseillaise Negra, Black Provence

This is going to be an awesome collection of information, have started to put it in a nice format and keep adding to it as we go.
I am planning to meet few very important people in industry, I will ask them for their list as well.
At the end we'll get this right;)

BTW, does any one know if Negretta, Petit Negrone or Negrone same fig?

some more list...

 

Plant Name:                       Other names

Vernino

Panachee

Conadria

Flanders

Mission

Brown Turkey

Excel

Tena

Mary Lane

Deanna

Verte

Beall

Genoa

Alma

Adriatic

Yellow Neches

Brunswick

Trojano

Pastiliere

Conadria

Marabout

Ischia Green

St. Jean

Bournabat

Verdal Longue

Calimyrna

Violette de Bordeaux

Kadota 1

Grosse Monstrueuse de Lipari

Barnisotte

Ischia White

Col de Dame

Karayaprak

San Pietro

Celeste

Genoa White

Dauphine

King

Native de Argentile

Pied de Boeuf

Ischia Black

Stanford

Santa Cruz White

Capitola Long

Giant Amber

Black Madeira

Castle Kennedy

MALCOM'S SUPER GIANT

California Brown Turkey

Kalamata

Armenian

Golden Celeste

White Texas Everbearing

Sucrette

 

Aaron4USA,
Per my reply to your PM, you can edit and use this Excel Spreadsheet to organize you data, it includes all cultivars that were availible from all the listed vendors including all UCDavis listed cultivars and their DFIC#'s.

Just insert new Alias or Synonym Columns.... The PDF is a snapshot of the attached Excel Spreadsheet. They were posted on the forum in an older Topic that I started. Good Luck with your project.

pdf Fig_Cultivar_Grouping_Preliminary_9-29-13.pdf

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