Texas Everbearing...A true variety?

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jrice

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Posted 1196618656	Reply with quote #1

The Texas Everbearing name has been around a long time. I have 2 that have been in the ground 20+ years. Both are from different sources and both are identical to my Celeste. There have been many various descriptions of the fruit and UC Davis lists one as W. Texas Everbearing. Does any one have one that consider a distinct variety?

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Posted 1196619945	Reply with quote #2

I have a TX. Everbearing and Celeste in ground. My TX everbearing is not close to being like my Celeste, it is close to what everybody around here calls Brn. Turkey! my $0.02 Cecil

pitangadiego

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Posted 1196637815	Reply with quote #3

I have one called Texas White Everbearing. Don't know if that is supposed to be the same fig, or not. There are new pix at http://figs4fun.com It definitely is not Celeste (I have about 20 of those). it is a nice sized, flavorful fig. Went into the to 25 in its first year. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

hlyell

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Posted 1196642703	Reply with quote #4

Hi Jack, I acquired a "Texas Everbearing" this year, and it fruited well. The figs and leaves were very similar, if not identical, to my Celeste. The nursery I bought it from had three varieties: Celeste, Brown Turkey and Texas Everbearing. The Celeste I already had came from a different source, but when I saw these trees for sale I couldn't help but wonder if there was any difference in any of them. When I was at that nursery later - during the ripening season - there were figs on all three varieties. Guess what? yep...they looked the same to me. Even the Brown Turkey looked like Celeste. It definitely was NOT the same "Deep South" Brown Turkey I have. I look forward to trying figs from the White Texas Everbearing I recently acquired, but it will probably be 2009 before I have figs. Henry

james

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Posted 1196699825	Reply with quote #5

Trees in the nurseries are mislabeled all the time for a variety of reasons. They can range from simple human error to carelessness to creative marketing to deception. In the end, most consumers don't know the difference if a Celeste is labeled . Those who do, won't realize the error until the tree fruits a couple of years later. So there is incentive for deception and no incentive to prevent error. Some members of the forums who are growing notice a resemblance between White TX EB and Kadota. It is not the same as TX EB and it is not the same as Celeste. Next year I should have a side by side by side by side comparison of TX EB (from Aldrich Nursery in San Antonio), Brown Turkey (Lowes), Brown Turkey (Monrovia) and Black Jack (Monrovia). All will be 3-4 years old. I could throw in a Celeste into the comparison, but my Celeste tree produces figs which are about a 1/3 of the size of the rest. __________________ In containers - Littleton, CO (zone 5b) In ground - N.E of Austin, TX (zone 8b) 2016 Wish List: Dārk Pōrtuguese, Grānthāms Royāl, Lātarolla, Negrettā, Nōire de Bārbentāne, Rockāway Green, Viōlet Sepōr, Viōlette Dāuphine. Iranian figs are always welcome.

boots

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Posted 1259681630	Reply with quote #6

got a question,, did james ever do this comparison? where is that study/pictures comparing these fruits?

boots

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Posted 1259681922	Reply with quote #7

Quote: Originally Posted by hlyell Hi Jack, I acquired a "Texas Everbearing" this year, and it fruited well. The figs and leaves were very similar, if not identical, to my Celeste. The nursery I bought it from had three varieties: Celeste, Brown Turkey and Texas Everbearing. The Celeste I already had came from a different source, but when I saw these trees for sale I couldn't help but wonder if there was any difference in any of them. When I was at that nursery later - during the ripening season - there were figs on all three varieties. Guess what? yep...they looked the same to me. Even the Brown Turkey looked like Celeste. It definitely was NOT the same "Deep South" Brown Turkey I have. I look forward to trying figs from the White Texas Everbearing I recently acquired, but it will probably be 2009 before I have figs. Henry Henry did you ever put pictures of your "deep south brown turkey" anywhere at this site?

Bass

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Posted 1259682817	Reply with quote #8

Here's my Texas everbearing __________________ Pennsylvania http://www.treesofjoy.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trees-of-Joy/110193909021138

boots

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Posted 1259684845	Reply with quote #9

thanks Bass that is the kind of brown turkey I am familiar with, well to a little darker. the english look big and reddish pink to me. I have seen some BT pictured that appear near blackish/gray and your is called " texas everbearing" right? and where did your TEBT originate from? thanks so much for the picture.. that helped a lot! I would love to see that comparison by James. It sure seems there is a lot of confusion about the genetics of fruit called the same words..

boots

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Posted 1259685184	Reply with quote #10

bass does yours fruit after a total freeze back? that is the main difference between a real brown turkey and a celeste right? celeste only fruit on new wood growth after some one year or older wood right?

pitangadiego

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Posted 1259695786	Reply with quote #11

Bass, That looks a lot like a Celeste. I suspect that Texas Everbearing is one of those names that has been applied to hundreds of trees, regardless of the true variety, so there are most likely many varieties with the name. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

boots

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Posted 1259697237	Reply with quote #12

yes I think so too. I see way to many that look very different now. ok so how do I locate brown turkey that fruit nice fruits after a total freeze back. ok so everyone who has any kind of those that fruit after a total freeze back ( which is supposed to the attributes of a brown turkey, so we are told right right? but are probably attributes of certain genetic linear line that may be in many other fruits also. can anyone show pictures of your superduperfruiters ( say that three times) :P ?

Jstall

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Posted 1259705879	Reply with quote #13

I e-mail Texas A&M to ask them what the difference was between the Texas everbearing and the Brown Turkey. A Professor wrote back and told me there was no difference. Here are two site that say the same thing. http://klru.org/ctg/plant/name/Texas_Everbearing_Fig/ http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/extension/homefruit/fig/fig.html __________________ J.A. N.E. TX Zone 8 Wish list; Martin's Unknown (NOT ITALIAN)

loslunasfarms

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Posted 1259706589	Reply with quote #14

The interesting think is that the TAMU site also mentions that Kadota aka Dotatto is the same as Gentile.

satellitehead

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Posted 1259707627	Reply with quote #15

My BT figs look nothing like TXEB posted by Bass. Unless my BT is really a Celeste and it was mislabelled at the nursery, but my BT has the distinct pink eye usually associated with unripe BT figs, so I don't think this is the case. Exterior of my figs is normally green with a purple blush (almost like a bruise), and has strawberry insides. __________________ Jason Atlanta/Grant Park area - z8

pitangadiego

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Brown Turkey __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

Bass

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Posted 1259711482	Reply with quote #17

My Texas everbearing looks more like a Celeste for sure. Jon's Brown Turkey looks like the Classical Brown turkey, you can tell by the hollow center and the elongated shape. __________________ Pennsylvania http://www.treesofjoy.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trees-of-Joy/110193909021138

satellitehead

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Posted 1259724260	Reply with quote #18

What Jon posted is exactly what my brown turkey figs look like, only my insides are normally not so dark (more deep pinkish). 99% the same, though. I have never seen a fig like your TXEB, Bass. The skin is wild. __________________ Jason Atlanta/Grant Park area - z8

boots

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Posted 1259730873	Reply with quote #19

well where we grew up there was a fig in some ones yard that looked like bass's " brown bread" or like french pastry . they told us it was a brown turkey. oh well.. maybe it is, probably it's not.. Bass does yours fruit after a freeze? breba and main crop? are they cold hardy? because I liked those peoples pastry looking figs.. are yours good?

Bass

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Posted 1259755042	Reply with quote #20

I grow mine in a container and kept in cold storage over winter, so it wasn't exposed to very cold temperatures except for 25°F while in the Garage. I didn't notice any breba on it, most of the figs looked like that, maybe a bit larger. They were very sweet. Here's how it looks compared to others I picked one day. __________________ Pennsylvania http://www.treesofjoy.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trees-of-Joy/110193909021138

satellitehead

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Posted 1259781650	Reply with quote #21

Bass, do you have the same picture of the figs cut in half? That would be very interesting to see! __________________ Jason Atlanta/Grant Park area - z8

boots

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Posted 1259801995	Reply with quote #22

great pictures Bass. thanks Bass is that a Sal's EL or BC? that tiger is a gorgeous yummy colored fig. is it yummy or just look it?

Bass

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Posted 1259834664	Reply with quote #23

I took each fig and cut it in half and posted the photos on my site http://www.treesofjoy.com This is Sal's EL. The Tiger tasted very good actually. but the best tasting one out of these in the photo was the Negronne when picked. They were all good figs. __________________ Pennsylvania http://www.treesofjoy.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trees-of-Joy/110193909021138

snaglpus

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Posted 1381023157	Reply with quote #24

Hey James, was your TX EVB the real deal? __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

snaglpus

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Posted 1381029414	Reply with quote #25

Here is the leaf patterrn of my 9' tall Texas Everbearing fig: cheers, __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

snaglpus

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Posted 1389930926	Reply with quote #26

Bump __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

jdsfrance

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Posted 1389954557	Reply with quote #27

Hi, If everyone posting would post a photo of fruit and/or leaves to keep documenting ... We could get close to a conclusion ... As far as my experience with my 2 years old inground brownturkey - Well I have it for two full years / bought July 2011 - It carried a fig that was pear shaped-It was a rooted tree in a 5 liters pot full of roots: It froze down to the floor in 2012, came back as two stems, did show fruit but no one did ripe . So for me, Brownturkey is not able to ripen fruits on first year stems - Just my experience. Second year the tree did branch on the two stems - the old stems did thicken , it showed some 50 figs, and only 4 did ripe - although we had the best autumn for figs - It didn't show any brebas but I'll confirm it, hopefully, in 2014. 2013's spring was a misery here . I don't have access to TEverB nor to Celeste - and I'll trust you to be as accurate as possible on your trees . Especially, if you have a strain that does fruit on first year stems with a normal growing season of 5 months. My growing season starts as of 1st May to 15th October / People in Zones 9 are considered cheaters for me :) - After 15th October, the figs have normally less taste and are less fun ... But still some can make ?usefull? seeds :) . One thing I found funny at my Brownturkey, was a node with two figs. I had never seen that before ... Well screw it; none of the both did ripe; but still a pleasant sight . __________________ ------------------------ Climate from -25°C to + 35°C Only cold hardy figtrees can make it here

GeneDaniels

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Posted 1389964881	Reply with quote #28

Now this is what I think of when I think BT. This is not what my Texas Everbearing looks like. Quote: Originally Posted by pitangadiego Brown Turkey __________________ Zone 7b (Central Arkansas) Seven trees in the ground: Hardy Chicago, Celeste(?), LSU gold, Italian Black, Southern Brown Turkey(?), Strawberry Verte, and Unk yellow. Trees in pots: VdB, CdD, and Sicilian?

GeneDaniels

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Posted 1389964969	Reply with quote #29

Quote: Originally Posted by Bass My Texas everbearing looks more like a Celeste for sure. Jon's Brown Turkey looks like the Classical Brown turkey, you can tell by the hollow center and the elongated shape. I would concur except that many of the Celeste I see advertised have more of an elongated fruit, whereas TE is rounder fig. __________________ Zone 7b (Central Arkansas) Seven trees in the ground: Hardy Chicago, Celeste(?), LSU gold, Italian Black, Southern Brown Turkey(?), Strawberry Verte, and Unk yellow. Trees in pots: VdB, CdD, and Sicilian?

timmy2green

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Posted 1389986262	Reply with quote #30

I got cuttings rooting that were labeled Texas yellow everbearing. I saw the pics and they were not like Celeste or BT. If I recall, more like kadota. I'll have to find the pic and confirm that. Have y'all ever heard if this variety or maybe it's the same as Jon's white? __________________ Saratoga, NY - Zone 5a Wish List: Sbayi, Poona, Panevino Dark, Lebanese Red, Sumaki, Raspberry Latte, Negretta, Italian 258, De La Reina MP.

snaglpus

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Posted 1389988540	Reply with quote #31

Gene, I am with you on this. There aren't many pictures of a "true" Texas Everbearing. Everyone thinks all 3 (Celeste, Brown Turkey and Texas Everbearing) are the same depending on which state you're in! Go figure! In Bass's picture above, it is truly a photo of Celeste. So, why the confusion? The confusion comes from nurseries selling something they have , 1. Either has zero knowledge of figs or 2. sold a miss labeled tree and just stuck a tag on the tree jsut to make a sale. But let's stick to your comment with is if we would photo our leafs and ripe figs, this could solve the problem. Here is what I know about those 3 (Celeste, Brown Turkey and Texas Everbearing) A few years back, I spent 5 consecutive days on the road with a U-haul on the back of my pickup looking for figs in South and Southeastern states. I visited many nurseries (NC, SC, GA, AL, LA, & TX) and asked to see their figs. The first nursery I went to had a huge selection of fruit trees. Instead of talking to the owner, I talked to the staff. Here is what the workers told me about Celeste, Brown Turkey and Texas Everbearing. They said: Celeste is a small fig almost always with a stem. Has a reddish color, a tiny cavatity...but some do not have a cavity at all. They said they heard of other colors of Celeste but they have not seen them. But they get their trees from California or south Lousianna. It has a light red pulp. And its very very sweet. Brown turkey is medium size fig...at least the Southeastern one is. The brown turkey does have a small cavity in the center. The pulp is red and sweet but not much flavor. Texas Everbearing is a meduim and large size fig. Open eye, ripens in June in the south. Has amber pulp. Breba crop is very wrinkly long tough skin but very very sweet. The main crop is usually large depending on the amount of heat and rain. Too much rain will delay ripening and sour fruit. But the interior fruit of a TEV is always amber and in the righ condition the figs are very good. The flavor is different from Celeste and BT. Has a very strong figgy taste but sweet. I may have a picture of one TEV fig from my tree. I need to go look around my hard drive and camera. I started a folder system for all my pictures. Now I'm building a database behind it so I can find leaves and pictures much faster. But the leaf pattern in this thread is totally different from all the other Brown Turkey figs I own and Celeste too. I called and talked to Just Fruits and Exotics a few months ago. I specifailly wanted to know their source for their Texas Everbearing. I forget the young lady's name but we had a good converstation about the TEV. SHe said, they have been searching across the US for the real TEV. She said, most people do not know the difference between it and the Celeste and BT but she said, all 3 were not the same. She said, they found a vendor. She would not tell me who it was....I did ask and she did not feel comfortable telling me so I pushed no more. They did put me on the waiting list for 2 trees. I got them the first week of December so now, I have 3. I nine footer and 2 - 3 footers. I will post picture this Summer of all three trees including Celeste and Brown Turkey. thanks __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

dkirtexas

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Posted 1390053287	Reply with quote #32

The 2 most mis-identified figs in USA, Celeste and Brown Turkey, the 3rd, Kadota, at least here in Texas. A lot of Magnolia/Brunswick are called Texas Everbearing, that one is easy to spot. Around East Texas if it has mostly 3 lobed leaves, it's called a Celeste, if it has 5 it's a BT. Most people call them all "fig tree" and they are either light, or dark, or large, or small, figs. I believe that there may be some BT variants around here. East Texas was settled by a lot of people from Tennessee and Alabama and they brought a lot of Celeste, West Texas has a lot of Mission because of the Spanish Missions. Around Galveston there are a few Italian/Greek varieties because of the "gateway" port of Galveston. The majority of the Fig industry in Texas was in the Houston/Galveston area and most of the figs grown were Magnolia/Brunswick, there are still a few trees left in the Pearland/Alvin area but most were displaced by subdivisions in the early 1970's. There are a lot of fig trees in Texas, in my small town, Marshall (pop. 23,000) there over 100 trees within 5 miles of the center of town, and I am still finding more in peoples yard. I can sell every tree that I grow and Lowe's never have any left over. I would never swear that any fig tree is correctly named/identified. To me, the easiest fig to identify is the LSU Purple because of the shape and color. I think it is an ugly fig, LOL, good, but ugly. I do not know what I am talking about, this statement generally prevents anyone else from saying it. __________________ Thx, glad to be here Danny K "EL CAZADOR DE HIGO" Waskom Tx Zone 7B/8 Wish list: anything anyone wants me to have. LSU RED. Any LSU fig.

snaglpus

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Posted 1395371017	Reply with quote #33

Bump __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

Darkman

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Posted 1395543050	Reply with quote #34

I have some rooting cuttings of TX Everbearing that were sourced from LSU's Burden Field tree. I would like to think that it is correctly identified. When and IF it grows out we can compare it to the others. I also have a three year old tree that was bought as a Brown Turkey however after I posted pictures of the fruit most said it was Celeste. We had a true ice storm this year with a low of 19F and it remained below freezing for 40 hours. I did not see any cold damage. __________________ Charles in Pensacola AKA Darkman Zone 8b/9a Winter of 09/10 low 19 Winter of 10/11 low 19 Winter of 11/12 low 29 Winter of 12/13 low 31 Winter of 13/14 low 19

snaglpus

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Posted 1432057124	Reply with quote #35

Hey Charles, it's been a year now. Do you have any pictures to post? thanks. __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

Darkman

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Posted 1433860448 · Edited	Reply with quote #36

Quote: Originally Posted by snaglpus Hey Charles, it's been a year now. Do you have any pictures to post? thanks. Unfortunately my post was pre-heart attack and I lost almost all of my cuttings I was growing being unable to care for them. Sorry. My health is good now but I no longer have the TX Everbearing. __________________ Charles in Pensacola AKA Darkman Zone 8b/9a Winter of 09/10 low 19 Winter of 10/11 low 19 Winter of 11/12 low 29 Winter of 12/13 low 31 Winter of 13/14 low 19

ChrisK

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Posted 1433880772	Reply with quote #37

Hey Charles. Sorry to hear about your health problems . Whenever you're ready to start Collecting cuttings again ,you know what to do. You have a bunch of friends here waiting to help. Be well! __________________ ChrisK Atl GA Zone 7b-8a

Darkman

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Posted 1433894756	Reply with quote #38

Thanks Chris, I will in the future expand my varieties but for now I am still trying to put my property (yard and house was flooded just before I had the heard attack) back together. I have nearly recovered. It is horrifying how much Nature will recoup from your property if you give her a year. Of course flooding and 40 hours sub-freezing temps did not help! Here is my current fig list as best I can remember: In-ground 1. LSU Gold 2. Celeste 3. Italian Strawberry (realistically an unknown but that is the name given) 4. Marseille AKA Lemon 5. Hollier 6. JH Adriatic 7. FALSE TX-BA1 (maybe Mary Lane seedless) 8. O’Rourke 9. Col de Dam Noir 10. Heirloom Celeste (can trace back to late 1800’s 11. Petite Negri 12. Conadria 13. Green Ischia Potted 1. Black Mission 2. VDB 3. RDB 4. Cajun Gold 5. Black Bethlehem 6. Sucrette 7. Verdal Louge 8. Vista 9. Thibodaux 10. LSU Purple 11. Celeste (three large in 45 gallon pots) 12. Petit Negri (lifted rooted limb from in-ground) 13. New Jersey Red Rooted cuttings ready to be potted 1. Vista 2. Craig’s Green 3. Emerald Strawberry 4. Deanna 5. Lattrula 6. Yugoslavian Black 7. Gold Rush 8. VDB Air Layers 1. O’Rourke 2x’s 2. New Jersey Red 3. Conadria 4. Hollier Grounded limb 1. O’Rourke 2. Petit Negri 3. LSU Gold 2x’s __________________ Charles in Pensacola AKA Darkman Zone 8b/9a Winter of 09/10 low 19 Winter of 10/11 low 19 Winter of 11/12 low 29 Winter of 12/13 low 31 Winter of 13/14 low 19

ChrisK

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Posted 1433903501	Reply with quote #39

You're very welcome Charles although it seams like you will be the one donating cuttings to everyone else on the forum. Lol. You have quite a line up there. Sorry to hear about all the rest of the problems you're facing. You know what they say . When it rains it pours! Thank God the worst is behind you now that you have your health back. All else is material and can be replaced. I hope all works out for you and know that our thoughts and prayers are with you!! __________________ ChrisK Atl GA Zone 7b-8a

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