Two different Longue D'Aouts ?

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drivewayfarmer

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Posted 1379192548	Reply with quote #1

I have two L D'A plants from different very good and reliable sources. Are they both L D'A ? __________________ Kerry Zone 5 NH Wish list :Galicia Negra , Col de Dame Blanca/Negra .

nelson20vt

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Posted 1379192863	Reply with quote #2

Kerry your first two pics look right For longue d'aout second set not so much. __________________ Mississauga, ON, Canada Z5B/6A

newnandawg

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Posted 1379194399	Reply with quote #3

Kerry here some pics of my LdA.

paully22

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Posted 1379194684	Reply with quote #4

Kerry, my Longue d' Aout looks like your 1st set of pic's. Longue d'Aout has been assigned different names like SLOCAN & MELANZANA MERDOSCOLA. I have these variants before. Since I found them to be similar I gave them away. Just this morning I enjoyed some very good tasting main crop Longue d'Aout.

Feigenbaum

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Posted 1379200147	Reply with quote #5

Pictures I just shot of my young Longue 'd Aout: __________________ Hi from Germany! (Zone 7b) Christian

bullet08

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Posted 1379202278	Reply with quote #6

kerry, first 2 pix with slender lobes are the one i have also. great fig. not sure about what the second set of pix are. __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

nelson20vt

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Posted 1379260538	Reply with quote #7

Not the best of pics but here's mine changed fertilizer and nearly killed the tree. __________________ Mississauga, ON, Canada Z5B/6A

Rewton

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Posted 1379294771	Reply with quote #8

Here is my Longue d'Aout that was rooted from a cutting in Feb. 2013. It has some FMV but grows well regardless. I left one fig on and it ripened on Friday. I was impressed with the flavor for a first year fig. Anyway, Kerry, it seems to resemble more closely the first plant you show. It looks a lot like the one that Nelson shows above. Attached Images DSCN2217.jpg (84.60 KB, 92 views) DSCN2218.jpg (79.40 KB, 107 views) DSCN2202.jpg (21.22 KB, 113 views) DSCN2204.jpg (42.86 KB, 95 views) __________________ Steve MD zone 7a

drivewayfarmer

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Posted 1379330045	Reply with quote #9

Thanks for everyone's input. I tried to get a note to my source of the second set of pics to see what info he has. Is it me or does Feigenbaum's leaf pic look more like my second set of pics ? __________________ Kerry Zone 5 NH Wish list :Galicia Negra , Col de Dame Blanca/Negra .

FiggyFrank

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Posted 1379334613	Reply with quote #10

My LdA looks like your first pic. I have several in pots and they all show FMV, BUT the one I placed in the ground has shown absolutely no sign of FMV and has grown well over 2 feet tall since June. I guess it loves the clay soil here. __________________ Frank zone 7a - VA

nelson20vt

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Posted 1380050770	Reply with quote #11

Kerry here's a pic of my longue daout purchased from baud. __________________ Mississauga, ON, Canada Z5B/6A

Feigenbaum

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Posted 1380056626	Reply with quote #12

The owner of a big fig nursery explained me that it's possible to have different leave shapes but the same fruit. What I recognised also when I joined the forum, the Violett de Bordeaux's in Europe have an extreme different leave shape than the ones that I see from the mostly U.S.users here. The U.S. plants use to have big leaves with a kind of "five finger look". The negronnes or VdB from France or Germany or the U.K. are less shaped with rounder leaves. I wonder what might be the cause... __________________ Hi from Germany! (Zone 7b) Christian

shah8

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Posted 1380064667	Reply with quote #13

Slightly different strain of Bordeaux. There are many different Bordeauxs floating around in the US, and it wouldn't surprise me that Baud's Negronne is its own distinct strain. __________________ Especially desired figs: UCD 187-25, UCD 200-48, UCD 157-17, UCD 309-B1, Princesa, Black Madeira, high quality sugar fig that ripens Sept-Oct. Probable desired fig: Smith, St Jean, JH Adriatic, CddB, Gulbun, Pastilliere, Sucrette Rooting: Smith, CDDB--this pretty much means I have my fun tries (tho' important since they are truly desirable), and only interested for this year: Gulbun, BM, 187-25, or something wildly exotic or precious that nobody has any good reason to send me.

HarveyC

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Posted 1380069801	Reply with quote #14

I can go out into my orchard, if desired, but I think my leaves in the photos at http://www.figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=6528903 look like those of the others and your first set. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

FiggyFrank

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Posted 1380070418	Reply with quote #15

Here is my LdA Attached Images 2013-09-24_17.34.22.jpg (379.76 KB, 71 views) __________________ Frank zone 7a - VA

Rewton

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Posted 1380071013	Reply with quote #16

Frank, you are right - no sign of FMV that I can see. It looks very happy in-ground. __________________ Steve MD zone 7a

musillid

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Posted 1380107119	Reply with quote #17

I was able to start two cuttings from the same source. One is full of FMV. The other shows no sign. Go figure. Since these are still quite young, I won't comment on leaf shape. __________________ Dale non compost mentis in Zone 6a

drivewayfarmer

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Posted 1440632795	Reply with quote #18

Still trying to figure out what this second one is that was sent to me as LDA , apparently originally from Baud. Dropped all fruit in 2013 , 2014 and now some this season , seems like all are likely to drop. Some thought it may be Melanzana M. but I don't think that one always drops fruit. Has always grown very well , beautiful plant. Any ideas of what it could be ? The dropped fruit looks like this inside : __________________ Kerry Zone 5 NH Wish list :Galicia Negra , Col de Dame Blanca/Negra .

greenfig

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Posted 1440635892	Reply with quote #19

Kerry, My LdA’s leaves from 2 different sources look different. Maybe yours needs to be pollinated? __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

drivewayfarmer

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Posted 1440687595	Reply with quote #20

Hi greenfig , I'm guessing it needs pollination , but since it is supposed to be from Baud's stock originally , I didn't know if he sells varieties that are not common figs. __________________ Kerry Zone 5 NH Wish list :Galicia Negra , Col de Dame Blanca/Negra .

Herman2

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Posted 1440693263	Reply with quote #21

First of all this ,second fig is not Longue D'Aout. As to what it is,I would not be worried if I was you. Because if it drops in your place it will drop in many other climates. Why it drops: -Even if self fertile ,drops because is not adapted to your climate,and many others. -If is cauducous and needs pollination,again is of no use to 99 percent of gardener in the us. -My opinion:Do not sell it,get rid of it,in dumpster,so no one will have your frustration. Keep,the real one and ,sell as many as you can.

drivewayfarmer

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Posted 1440700068	Reply with quote #22

Hi Vasile , I am thinking of using it to bud good varieties onto , but was still hoping to find out what it actually is. __________________ Kerry Zone 5 NH Wish list :Galicia Negra , Col de Dame Blanca/Negra .

coop951

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Posted 1440703487 · Edited	Reply with quote #23

Hi Kerry, Here is my LdA. Example of young leaf and older one. Mine came as a trade with our good friend Ed. I'm really looking forward to this one. Thanks Ed. Don't go by the color of the leaves on the first photo. The bottom photo shows what they turn into. __________________ Coop Northern NJ Zone 7a

AltadenaMara

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Posted 1440720327 · Edited	Reply with quote #24

Quote: Originally Posted by Herman2 First of all this ,second fig is not Longue D'Aout. As to what it is,I would not be worried if I was you. Because if it drops in your place it will drop in many other climates. Why it drops: -Even if self fertile ,drops because is not adapted to your climate,and many others. -If is cauducous and needs pollination,again is of no use to 99 percent of gardener in the us. -My opinion:Do not sell it,get rid of it,in dumpster,so no one will have your frustration. Keep,the real one and ,sell as many as you can. Please, no dumpster. If it's cauducous, sell it to someone in California with wasps who can appreciate it. We might only be 1% of the gardeners in the US, but what we lack in numbers we make up for in enthusiasm. I dream of the day when I will see on an eBay ad: "Sorry. This fig is only for sale and shipment to California." __________________ Mara Southern California Zone 1990= 9b 2012= 10a 2020=?

jdsfrance

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Posted 1440754017	Reply with quote #25

Hi drivewayfarmer, The second one is not lda for sure, someone did a mix up - could be you or your source, so I wouldn't hunt too much for what it might be. By the look of the fig I would say that it comes from the middle east and since it drops the figs, it is a smyrna. I already dropped a tree that was dropping the figs and still have two youngster to drop as they do drop. Some figs would ripen so I'm just waiting to taste them and if they are worth it I might wait a bit longer ... Time will tell. __________________ ------------------------ Climate from -25°C to + 35°C Only cold hardy figtrees can make it here

johnjay7491

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Posted 1440771415	Reply with quote #26

Kerry If this LdA is misidentified and ends up being a Smyrna fig I guess you have a few options. Besides getting rid of the tree or using it as a rootstock, I was thinking of how to get it to successfully bear fruit. Artificially pollinating seems to much trial and error and not sure if you have a persistent caprifig. On the other hand I was wondering about phytohormones, I know they are used commercially to increase fruit yield. The linked article seems to indicate that it can be done to produce fruit without pollination but I'm not sure if it works with figs. I'm probably missing something. Anyway here's the link. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3257607/ Gibberellic acid, GA3 can be easily purchased. Not sure if Osborne's carries it but it but Amazon and Ebay sell it. Oh, one last option, you can move to California and bring the tree with you. :) __________________ John NH Z5

nelson20vt

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Posted 1440787810 · Edited	Reply with quote #27

Hey Kerry to all the figs have a long neck like that? It sort of looks like hava wich baud has and is a Smyrna. But if I'm Not mistaken it's got mostly single lobed leaves. __________________ Mississauga, ON, Canada Z5B/6A

drivewayfarmer

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Posted 1440806819	Reply with quote #28

Nelson , They don't all have long necks like that , but many of them did this season. They also tend to show clear ribbing on the surface. Hava fruit does look pretty similar in general , but I don't think there are many single lobed leaves on this tree. John , if you would like to try the gibberellic acid test come on by and I'll give you this tree ! I did live in Mendocino County for a few years and certainly wouldn't mind going back at some point. Yesterday I stripped all but the largest fruit to see what happens. __________________ Kerry Zone 5 NH Wish list :Galicia Negra , Col de Dame Blanca/Negra .

pino

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Posted 1440810201 · Edited	Reply with quote #29

My Melanzana looks very similar to the 1st LdA. Someone mentioned that LdA and Melanzana (long one) are very similar except that LdA ripens earlier and is sweeter? __________________ Pino, zone 6, Niagara, JCJ Acres Wish; Peace on earth and more figs Italian 258, Galicia Negra, Luv, trade suggestions welcome.

tmc2009

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Posted 1440951845	Reply with quote #30

Anyone have an idea what the Longue D'Aout imposter is? Mine drops main crop figs also. They turn purplish and then drop. __________________ Tom Massachusetts Zone 6b

Mario_1

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Posted 1440953017	Reply with quote #31

i Have a melanzana from Bill's Figs that drops the main crop after they turn purple, someone suggested to prune the tree back soon after the Breba crop and eliminate the main crop so new branches can start for fallowing year Brebas. i just done that and unless i get a great Breba crop next year it's going in the dumpster __________________ Wallingford CT, USA zone 6a would be happy to meet and get together with other members near me Wish list; Any fig from any specific place anywhere in Italy

leon_edmond

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Posted 1440957708	Reply with quote #32

Mario 1- I tried that with my Bill's Melanzana. Even the brebas fell off. After several years of failed crops, I got rid of it.

pino

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Posted 1440965112 · Edited	Reply with quote #33

Leon/Mario Is your Melanzana from Bill's the round one as in Leon's earlier post? I see it called Melanzana Tonda (round) in Italy http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/printadd?id=6967460&pid=1283385794 The Melanzana I have is long and looks similar to LdA. A 2nd year plant had delicious breba and has not dropped its 4 main crop figs. __________________ Pino, zone 6, Niagara, JCJ Acres Wish; Peace on earth and more figs Italian 258, Galicia Negra, Luv, trade suggestions welcome.

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Posted 1440979059	Reply with quote #34

Yes Pino my melanzana from Bill is round, the brebas were great, first crop all dropped, if I am successful on getting more brebas I will keep it __________________ Wallingford CT, USA zone 6a would be happy to meet and get together with other members near me Wish list; Any fig from any specific place anywhere in Italy

luteo

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Posted 1440980106	Reply with quote #35

In my reading around threads in this forum, I have seen that: Longue d'Aout = Slocan = Melanzana MS And these are NOT just plain Melanzana. But now it appears there are different varieties of Melanzana from various different sources? I am trying to read about all kinds of different varieties to at least weed out varieties not worth trialling where I live. Now I am starting to understand everyone's comments about how confusing nomenclature is in this crazy fig world we live in! Maybe it would be easier to just try one of everything and if it doesn't work, pass it on to someone else. I have tons of patience, but some days it's more fun to grow things than wade through heaps of information. All praise to the persons dedicated to keeping things as clear and concise as possible! I hope you find some more answers drivewayfarmer! __________________ Seghen Ohio Zone 6a Loading Doc: Panache, Vista, Aubique Petite, CDG, Takoma Violet Growing: Texas Everbearing, VDB, Desert King, Fico Pesco d'Oro, Unk. Calderwood/LSU Tiger Wish List: Red Israel, Italian 258, LSU Purple, Vasilika Sika, Valle Negra, Vesuviana Bianca, O'Rourke, Galicia Negra, Syrian Honey, Nero 600M, Souadi, Panevino Dark, Black Weeping, Sweet Joy, Red Lebanese Bekaa, LSU Gold, Panache, Bourjassot Rosa de la Senia, Genovese Nero

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Posted 1440982165	Reply with quote #36

Seghen (luteo) good idea, but if it does'nt work for you don't pass it on, the dumpster may be a better place __________________ Wallingford CT, USA zone 6a would be happy to meet and get together with other members near me Wish list; Any fig from any specific place anywhere in Italy

pino

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Posted 1441025385 · Edited	Reply with quote #37

My fig cutting came as "Melanzana" and was told it was a nice big fig and they got it from Italy. LdA looks very similar to me in photos. __________________ Pino, zone 6, Niagara, JCJ Acres Wish; Peace on earth and more figs Italian 258, Galicia Negra, Luv, trade suggestions welcome.

luteo

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Posted 1441075143	Reply with quote #38

Quote: Originally Posted by Mario_1 Seghen (luteo) good idea, but if it does'nt work for you don't pass it on, the dumpster may be a better place Nah. My thoughts are someone somewhere else might be able to grow my trash better due to differences in climate. __________________ Seghen Ohio Zone 6a Loading Doc: Panache, Vista, Aubique Petite, CDG, Takoma Violet Growing: Texas Everbearing, VDB, Desert King, Fico Pesco d'Oro, Unk. Calderwood/LSU Tiger Wish List: Red Israel, Italian 258, LSU Purple, Vasilika Sika, Valle Negra, Vesuviana Bianca, O'Rourke, Galicia Negra, Syrian Honey, Nero 600M, Souadi, Panevino Dark, Black Weeping, Sweet Joy, Red Lebanese Bekaa, LSU Gold, Panache, Bourjassot Rosa de la Senia, Genovese Nero

drivewayfarmer

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Posted 1442103749	Reply with quote #39

The fig in the last 2 photos of post #18 finally ripened. The only fruit this Not Longue D'Aout tree has ever managed to ripen. It was pretty big at 90 grams. Very good taste sweet ,but not too sweet , full of syrup and very refreshing. Tasters gave it a 7.9 out of 10 The fig pictured in the 4th photo on the right side of the plate and at the bottom of the last photo is Fiorone di Ruvo , main crop not breba. Looks almost identical but was larger at 115 grams , more syrup and richer, more full flavored. Tasters gave it 8.5 out of 10 with the .5 being added for size with great taste. Leaf shape on the Fiorone di Ruvo : The growth habit of FDR plant is more spreading even a little droopy while the Not L D'Aout is very upright. __________________ Kerry Zone 5 NH Wish list :Galicia Negra , Col de Dame Blanca/Negra .

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