UC Davis Ischia Black

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snaglpus

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Posted 1347387170	Reply with quote #1

Good day, here is a picture of Ischia Black. Excellent but the tree won't be around in the future....same for Black Maderia. Both are in pretty bad shape. Another reason why cuttings from these trees are scarce. Attached Images Ischia_Black_1.jpg (961.27 KB, 198 views) __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

Gina

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Posted 1347397428	Reply with quote #2

Is this the only known 'official' Ischia Black that exists? And of course it's direct off-spring. __________________ WillsC's new fig forum: http://www.Ourfigs.com (and blueberries)

snaglpus

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Posted 1347398985	Reply with quote #3

Gina, some forum members do have this tree. I am one of them. I have 2 of them and one Black Maderia. It is my opinion that this tree will not be around long. I could be wrong. But BI and BM are not as healthy as many others at UCD. There are several empty spots in the orchard were a tree use to be. UCD has duplicate trees in their orchard. Both BI and BM are old trees. They are in pretty bad shape compared to others, but every year they produces a lot a figs. But one day, it may stop. I'm not trying scare anyone. I just want to report my findings and give my opinion. UCD showed us the fig trees they got overseas in their quarantined section. In a couple of years, we could see these new trees in their orchard. __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

DesertDance

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Posted 1347404463	Reply with quote #4

I have it on the order I sent in for next spring. Hope they fulfill it, and then I hope it roots for me! I love resurrecting a dying tree by way of propagation, and I'm sure UCD is doing it too!! You say it's excellent, but what does that mean? Like how does it taste? Figgy, Rich, Watermelon, Berry, Honey, Balsalmic? I'm listening...... :-) Suzi __________________ Zone 9b, Southern California. "First year they sleep, Second year they creep, Third year they leap!" Wish List: I wish all of you happy fig collecting! My wishes have been fulfilled!

snaglpus

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Posted 1347405522	Reply with quote #5

Suzi, everybody's taste buds are different. So, to me, there are 3 excellent tasting black figs, Black Maderia Black Ischia Ronde de Bordeaux To me, BI has a strong berry rich taste. Other's may differ, but it has a strong after taste and tanggyness. Does that describe it enough? __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

tmc2009

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Posted 1347407349	Reply with quote #6

Are the ones in quarantine a stronger stain but still with FMV? __________________ Tom Massachusetts Zone 6b

snaglpus

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Posted 1347408490	Reply with quote #7

Those that I saw and photographed did not have FMV. They were very young though.....around 3' tall. __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

Gina

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Posted 1347409315	Reply with quote #8

Quote: Originally Posted by snaglpus Those that I saw and photographed did not have FMV. They were very young though.....around 3' tall. I would love it if someday you posted the photos of these 'new' IB trees. Thanks. __________________ WillsC's new fig forum: http://www.Ourfigs.com (and blueberries)

snaglpus

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Posted 1347410991	Reply with quote #9

Gina, you miss understood my comment or maybe I confused you. Those in quarantine are not IB trees. They are other varieties UCD got from Turkey and other countries. My 2 BI trees are tiny trees I rooted from last year's cuttings. __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

Gina

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Posted 1347411357	Reply with quote #10

Yes, I did misunderstand. Good luck with your two trees. :) __________________ WillsC's new fig forum: http://www.Ourfigs.com (and blueberries)

snaglpus

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Posted 1347412798	Reply with quote #11

Thanks Gina. I hope my BIs survive. If not, oh welll.....there are many other amazing black figs that are pretty close. __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

DesertDance

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Posted 1347419319	Reply with quote #12

Yes Dennis! Good description of flavor. I try to keep this stuff in my excel spreadsheet, so I know what to expect when my wishes come true! Thanks! Suzi __________________ Zone 9b, Southern California. "First year they sleep, Second year they creep, Third year they leap!" Wish List: I wish all of you happy fig collecting! My wishes have been fulfilled!

shah8

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Posted 1347421784	Reply with quote #13

Suzi, if you want something with similar traits, either Petite Negri or Barnisotte will do. Similar traits being intense flavor, acid/subacid sunshine tongue-coating, lasting aftertaste... (as opposed to something more inclined to be purely sweet) And no, unlike what some people might suggest, Petite Negri is not a synonym for VdB. The leaf patterns are not quite the same, even without major tendency for single-lobed leaves. The fruit is not the same. The stalk is much shorter than VdB, the size is generally bigger, with most main season figs being 35-45gs with plenty of 55g figs as well (The good quality brebas average around 60g with a minority being 80g+). Looking forward, I think we will be seeing more high quality acid-sweet figs being released from UCD. __________________ Especially desired figs: UCD 187-25, UCD 200-48, UCD 157-17, UCD 309-B1, Princesa, Black Madeira, high quality sugar fig that ripens Sept-Oct. Probable desired fig: Smith, St Jean, JH Adriatic, CddB, Gulbun, Pastilliere, Sucrette Rooting: Smith, CDDB--this pretty much means I have my fun tries (tho' important since they are truly desirable), and only interested for this year: Gulbun, BM, 187-25, or something wildly exotic or precious that nobody has any good reason to send me.

twobrothersgarden

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Posted 1365063790	Reply with quote #14

Dennis, the BM and IB, are they in bad shape because of the FMV or their age or both? __________________ Henry, Brawley, California, 9B YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/thetwobrothersgarden/videos?view=0 Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/usr/two-brothers-2013

bullet08

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Posted 1365072209	Reply with quote #15

dennis will have better answer. but from what i have read UCD BM and BI were planted root bound. they never really grew well. once out of CA weather with very nice growing condition, lot of members have issue with rooting them, and once rooted, have problem growing them to full potential due to FMV. so far, i have not seen any specific issue with rooting BM, and growing them. i just started rooting BI. so.. i'll find out soon enough how troublesome BI will be. __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

snaglpus

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Posted 1365087222	Reply with quote #16

Hey Henry! I think both are naturaly dwarf trees and growing in dark clay soil. Are they in bad shape due to FMV? I doubt it. FMV doesn't impact the fruit plus there are so many other tree beside it that are just grow growers. I think they are in a bad spot. Even though the orchard is completely flat, in that one spot of the orchard, there were several in that row that were gone or slowing getting blasted by the sun. Age could be a factor but I honestly don't have clear answer. My 5 year old Black Maderia look amazing compared to the one at UCD. My 2 Black Ischia are doing well and since January of this year has already doubled in height. I think my cold weather dormancy helped them tremendously. __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

HarveyC

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Posted 1365099170	Reply with quote #17

NCGR has back-up copies of every accession at the repository, usually with potted trees in or next to the greenhouse facilities at Davis. If the tree in the orchard dies, they will surely replace it. Maintaining accessions is a top priority. A lot of these extra trees get given away each year at a some big event UCD has each year. NCGR is not part of UCD but they work together and many of the grunt employees that NCGR hires are UCD students. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

snaglpus

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Posted 1365099746	Reply with quote #18

UCD does have a lot of fig trees. I remember seeing the trees in their quarantined section and the cuttings repository. Maintaining orchards with hundreds of plants is a major task. They were suppose to start a new orchard of new fig trees last year but ran out of time. Maybe it will happen this year. I'm glad we have an organization like UCD. I love figs! __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

HarveyC

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Posted 1365100895	Reply with quote #19

UCD doesn't have any fig trees that I know of but NCGR does! :) __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

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Posted 1365105607	Reply with quote #20

UCD.. NCGR.. who cares. whoever they are, they provide very important service to general public and i can't say enough about the quality of the fig cuttings i have received from them last two years. they are top notch. very fresh and quick to root. my cuttings i got not too long ago are in most part showing roots already. i'll be moving them to cup this weekend. __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

HarveyC

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Posted 1365106513	Reply with quote #21

I care. Anybody that is frustrated because of naming errors of varieties, etc. should understand the importance of referring to correct names. Do you go to Burger King and order a Big Mac? This reference to UC Davis has gone on and on and causes confusion. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

snaglpus

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Posted 1365116966	Reply with quote #22

How Bout Those Figs!!!!!! __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

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Posted 1365117139	Reply with quote #23

HarveyC, I sent you a PM. Here is a good thread on the point that HarveyC raises. FYI. On the University of California Wolfskill Experimental Orchards website, they mention both USDA and NCGR in a discussion of the land and orchards. In 1980 the Department of Pomology and the University of California, Davis, signed a long-term lease agreement with United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) Agriculutural Research Service (ARS) to establish the orchards of the National Clonal Germplasm Repository at Wolfskill. This repository (a living library of now-obscure fruit) includes stonefruit (peach, plum, nectarine, apricot, almond, prune), grape, walnut, pistachio, persimmon, walnut, olive, pomegranate, fig, and kiwifruit germplasm. __________________ jd \| tallahassee.fl \| zone 8b

snaglpus

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Posted 1365118379	Reply with quote #24

JD, I totally understand your point and thank you. Having talked to the staff there at UCD/USDA/NCGR several times and spent lots of hours in their orchards; I'm just comfortable calling it UC Davis even though I know exactly what and were it is. All comments are welcome and understood. It's all good. How Bout Those Figs!!! __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

bullet08

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Posted 1365119217	Reply with quote #25

how 'bout them figs? Ischia Black UCD cuttings are now forming callus. i'm hoping to see roots soon. not too soon, i'm out of peat pots. and Barnisotte is also putting out roots. two i was looking forward to, along with Pastiliere, Excel, Sacrette, 187-25, Beall and Native de Argentile.. list goes on. did i say i live UCD/USDA/NCGR? __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

scott_ga

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Posted 1365119343	Reply with quote #26

It can get pretty confusing for some of us Harvey. The land at Wolfskill (near Winters, CA) was donated to and is owned by the University of California at Davis--some of that land is under long term lease to the USDA for the National Clonal Germplasm Repository at Davis (one of 32 NCGRs in the US). The rest of the land at Wolfskill is used by UC Davis Department of Plant Sciences. Your point is a good one. The fig and pomegranate cuttings that we get from the NCGR at Davis are prepared and shipped by these US Department of Agriculture employees (http://www.ars.usda.gov/Aboutus/aboutus.htm?modecode=53-06-20-00), not anyone employed by UC Davis. They deserve the recognition (and a round of applause) for the excellent work that they do maintaining and distributing this collection. __________________ Scott North Georgia Zone 7b

snaglpus

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Posted 1472090127	Reply with quote #27

Bump __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

strudeldog

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Posted 1472090614	Reply with quote #28

Dennis, Did you bump to get a taste of Ischia Black? Here you go __________________ Phil N.GA. Zone 7 Looking for: De La Reina, Del La Senyora, Martinenca Rimada, Parfum De Cafards, Ponte Tresa, Sangue Dulce, Emalyn's Purple, and on and on

tsparozi

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Posted 1472091452	Reply with quote #29

@strudeldog Wow! Nice! T __________________ Tony S - Zone 6A Carmel, NY WL-Ischia Black (UCD/USDA), Martinenca, Calderona, Victoria, Craven's Craving, Colonel Littman's Black Cross, Bon Jesusa, Sant Martina, Princesa, Paretjal Negra

snaglpus

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Posted 1472092837	Reply with quote #30

Thanks Phil! I got plenty on one of my 2 trees. Should be ripening soon. __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

strudeldog

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Posted 1472093233	Reply with quote #31

Dennis, I know you have It and got it to produce way before I did. After 5?6 years mine finally decided to grow and hold a few figs. It was a long wait __________________ Phil N.GA. Zone 7 Looking for: De La Reina, Del La Senyora, Martinenca Rimada, Parfum De Cafards, Ponte Tresa, Sangue Dulce, Emalyn's Purple, and on and on

HarveyC

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Posted 1472097894 · Edited	Reply with quote #32

Picking some from trees that are 3 years old as well as from trees I grafted last November. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

Smyfigs

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Posted 1472137328	Reply with quote #33

Nice looking fig! I believe this was one of the many you had at the gathering, right, Harvey? Although it appears that I didnt enter it on my list. __________________ Meg-Hardiness Zone 10a Looking for... Socorro Blk Wuhan Jolly Tiger Lamperia Preta Herschtetten St. Jean Black Ischia "The best way to show my gratitude is to accept everything, even my problems, with joy." ~ Mother Teresa "Do not pass by a man in need for you may be the hand of God to him." ~Proverbs 3:27~ "He performs wonders that cannot be fathomed, miracles that cannot be counted." ~Job 5:4

HarveyC

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Posted 1472171612	Reply with quote #34

Meg, I believe I had maybe 3 fruits to share and it may have been towards the end and didn't get passed around. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

JohnnyD

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Posted 1472172051	Reply with quote #35

I know this one is a slow grower but I wish I could get my hands on this variety. I tried to buy one from Tom on eBay but was just outbid on that one. I guess there isn't enough supply for the demand :(

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