ucdavis fig collection

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Bass

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Posted 1283116500	Reply with quote #1

Me and Jon visited UC Davis fig orchard last week. Jon did a great job with taking photos of every single variety in the orchard including trees. I also took some photos and took some notes on their taste. Me and Jon both agreed on what a good fig should taste like. I put something quick together, I believe I have more to add later on. I hope this will help you narrow down what you would like to order next from UC Davis. http://www.treesofjoy.com/UCdaviscollection.htm __________________ Pennsylvania http://www.treesofjoy.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trees-of-Joy/110193909021138

TucsonKen

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Posted 1283118045	Reply with quote #2

A great resource--thanks! If you have any info on their fig with accession # DIFC0164-1, I would appreciate knowing more about it. __________________ Ken Tucson, Arizona Zone 8b

Dieseler

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Posted 1283118637	Reply with quote #3

Thanks for link Bass. Quick question How healthy looking was there Black Ischia tree and did they have more than one of them ?

2007_giants

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Posted 1283124236	Reply with quote #4

Bass just wanted to thank you for taking the time to put that up. I'm sure it is well appreciated from all members __________________ SAL zone 10b-9b FL PSL growing in pots

FrozenJoe

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Posted 1283128033	Reply with quote #5

Thank you for posting this info. The photos and comments are very helpful. __________________ Joe Phoenix Area (Zone 9) I am MrFrozenJoe on YouTube. I am arizonafigs on eBay.

pitangadiego

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Posted 1283128163	Reply with quote #6

Tuscon, DFIC0164.1 to DFIC0164.9 are seedlings from Albania. See USDA / UC Accession Data You will see that the form received was "seeds" and not cuttings. From what I have seen, #8 and #9 were edible this season, at a fairly early point in the season. See Pix for more info. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

Bass

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Posted 1283128656	Reply with quote #7

Ken, the DIFC0164-1 I didn't get any information about it, It probably wasn't bearing or It wasn't worth it. I'm sure Jon has info on it. Martin, There are two Ischia Black, one is planted at B 5 13, and the other at A 5 1. Those refer to the row number. The plant seemed healthy at about 10' tall only, but the FMV is definitely evident. Jon took photos of all the trees, he has many pictures to load, which I expect it won't be before this fall. Thanks for the compliments, but there were a lot more figs out there that weren't ripe like the Panache. The Calimyrna wasn't ripe either. I didn't bother with the late varieties since they don't do well here. Many varieties I skipped for their average taste, although some where very large. Just updated the link with additional information. Some varieties I don't have pictures off possibly due to being a late variety. __________________ Pennsylvania http://www.treesofjoy.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trees-of-Joy/110193909021138

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Posted 1283230467	Reply with quote #8

I had an opportunity to talk to a commercial grower who was visiting. He grows Kadota, Mission and Calimyrna. They normally do 1st pick of Kadota the first week of the season, and 2nd pick of Kadota and 1st pick of Mission in the second week, and third pick of Kadota, 2nd pick of Mission and 1st pick of Calimyrna in the third week, followed by 3rd Mission and second Calimyrna, and then final Calimyrna. Like me, they have had a very cool summer, probably 15F, and maybe 20F cooler than normal all summer (we just had the coolest Aug 29 in history yesterday). For them, the Calimyrna ripened first in the order this season. I have noticed the same inversion or disruption of the order as well. Vernino which is always my last to ripen was in the early-middle of the season this year. Panache is ripening far earlier than normal (good thing). However, Atreano OR was at the beginning of the season, which is normal. So, apparently there is more to ripening time/order that we believed. It may be that some figs need a given amount of time and others are more influenced by the collective heat exposure and less by time. Might provide some possibilities for pushing some varieties in a greenhouse. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

Mescalito

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Posted 1283277209	Reply with quote #9

Where most of the figs you ate fully ripened? Where there weather conditions that could have watered down some of them? I'm still hoping you guys are wrong about Zidi needing the wasp. Richard Watts said it didn't... __________________ Mike ~Richmond, VA Z 7

pitangadiego

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Posted 1283279085	Reply with quote #10

Zidi needs a pollinator. Yes, sampled fruit was fully ripe, though not all trees had ripe fruit at this point in the season. Also interesting was the number of fruit that were spoiled, even when under-ripe, far above 2007 and 2008 season when I was there. I had to cut a dozen Zidis, for instance, to get one good one. Adriatic was close to as bad. Apparently the same situation was observed in the 2009 season as well. I would have attributed it to the cool season - but 2009 was not a particularly cool season. The cool season may have contributed to weak flavor in some varieties. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

Bass

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Posted 1283284577	Reply with quote #11

Mike, your if the weather conditions have watered them down. I don't think It rained there the entire summer. All their trees are on irrigation system. __________________ Pennsylvania http://www.treesofjoy.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trees-of-Joy/110193909021138

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Posted 1283310074	Reply with quote #12

Two other observations this season: 1) Some varieties exhibited a very wide variety of shapes, some quite unexpected or only seen previously in other varieties. This is Adriatic, as an example: 2) an extraordinary amount of figs were already poiled, even when not fully ripe. In some cases, cutting a dozen figs yielded only one that was edible. Reportedly this was also the case last season, as well. It was certainly not in accord with what I had observed on two previous trips, in 2007 and 2008. This year was very cool at Davis, much like my weather in SD, and it seems to me that cooler weather causes slower ripening (longer time) which leaves the fruit in a vulnerable condition longer, but their season last year was not cool life this year - so something different must have been at work last season, or maybe both seasons. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

Bass

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Posted 1283382291	Reply with quote #13

Jon, I'm still trying to find out what is the name of that little beetle we saw inside the figs, Howard agrees that this is what causing the spoilage. I'm also wondering if the fig wasp is spoiling the figs as well. __________________ Pennsylvania http://www.treesofjoy.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trees-of-Joy/110193909021138

pitangadiego

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Posted 1283390710	Reply with quote #14

The wasp has always been an issue, as I understand it - introducing fungi and disease, etc. That has been part of the drive to find a common fig that can replace the Calimyrna - to eliminate the contamination issues associated with the wasp. But that doesn't really explain the difference the last couple of seasons. The wasp has been an issue for 100 years. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

gwarring

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Posted 1283453191	Reply with quote #15

Bass, Is the beetle you are referring to small, black, with a yellow horizontal stripe? There was one in the figs I brought back from Davis last Sunday. We were there for the CRFG fig/grape tour. I did think that there was much more spoilage last year when we were at Davis. I also had the beetle in my own figs last year - I'm in San Jose - my Brown Turkey figs were soured and I ended up throwing out all of the figs from that tree. There was also at least one tree at Prusch (In San Jose ) that soured. I don't think we have the fig wasp here, so other than the ants I'm not sure what else to blame. I tried to ID that beetle last year with no success, so if you figure it out please pass on the info Gloria

Bass

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Posted 1283464098	Reply with quote #16

Yes this beetle is very small, and dark brown, I'm not sure about the yellow stripes, maybe my close up vision is not as good as yours. I bet Malli will know what it is, I'll have to email him when he comes back from his trip. They had some baits at the orchard to collect all types of insects. Luckily we don't have this beetle in the east coast. __________________ Pennsylvania http://www.treesofjoy.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trees-of-Joy/110193909021138

Dieseler

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Posted 1283472925	Reply with quote #17

One thing im kinda curious about. Have any of you gentlmen asked about there fertilize program?

Bass

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Posted 1283473594	Reply with quote #18

we did me and Jon, they use a fertilizer called urea which contains 46% Nitrogen fertilize with Nitrogen once every 3 years. I don't have my notes handy for full details of the amount they apply. I've been using a fertilizer with high nitrogen and it has shown great results as well. here's some interesting reading about that type of fertilizer Urea __________________ Pennsylvania http://www.treesofjoy.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trees-of-Joy/110193909021138

Dieseler

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Posted 1283474584	Reply with quote #19

Oh thank you Bass. Now if and when i can get some i will experiment on something in particular.

pitangadiego

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Posted 1283480556	Reply with quote #20

Fertilizing at Davis is sometimes a matter of budget priorities. They last fertilized 3 years ago. They do use Urea, which is 46% Nitrogen. They are really only concerned with producing vegetative growth (leaves and branches) for propagation purposes, so do not need to worry about P and K which generally are more oriented toward flowers and fruit. I am not sure about the amount applied - it was, I think, one "unit" per acre, where a "unit" is 100# of actual nitrogen, which means that you you need to apply 217-1/2 pounds of Urea (at 46% nitrogen) to get 100# of nitrogen. It might have been 2 units - but that is what they use and how it is figured. Obviously you would want to use a more balanced fertilizer, since you have an interest in fruit, and not just leaves and twigs. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

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Posted 1283483284	Reply with quote #21

Here are the pic of Black Ischia trees at USDA/UC Davis: __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

Dieseler

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Posted 1283485268	Reply with quote #22

No actually my only interest in useing the urea for my ischia is vegatative growth. Thats always been my goal . This season with full doses of Miracle grow and superthrive, upm soil and up against brick wall in a black pot for extra heat i saw no improvement. Next season i give full doses of nitrogen only along and possibly trying a graft. Its never seen anything more than 24-8-18 46n i never heard off this high number unless i double the Mg but then it gets to high of the other stuff with it i feel. After seeing both UcDavis ischia trees i understand why they dont send me scion when i order. I always try to get another in case i overdose the one i have. Its fun for me not frustrating , i get frustrated when i have a healthy plant and it drops figs thats frustrating to me but not a sick plant i try to get better thats fun and a challenge and keeps me trying different things. I know its a sick fun. ; )

TucsonKen

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Posted 1283486485	Reply with quote #23

Gloria & Bass, it may be the dried fruit beetle, which is the one that spoils my Brown Turkey figs. Despite the name, they love to get inside the fresh figs. You might do a google image search to see more detailed photos for a positive ID. Attached Images dried_fruit_beetle.jpg (65.25 KB, 15 views) __________________ Ken Tucson, Arizona Zone 8b

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