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Urfa siyah fig

This fig was named after the city of Urfa which was not occupied by enemies during the Independence War. Urfa is remembered as a city of heroes. We are so proud of this city which has got a great significance in our history . I'm so proud and happy to Introduce this fig, :)
Urfa Siyah fig is a good quality black fig has honey taste and a good smell .Here is photo of the fruit.


http://s1244.photobucket.com/user/ercan_bilgi/media/CYMERA_20161023_195107.jpg.html?filters[user]=126986092&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=0

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Originally Posted by Enigma
Just curious, who were the oppressors that you gained independence from?


Dear Enigma,
I don't want to start history discussion here with another figger friend from other countries,so it is better relpy this question privately.
Thanks

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Originally Posted by Enigma


Very wise but maybe discussions about 'enemies' and 'independence' should not be raised at all, particularly in today's climate given the recent statements from the Turkish president.

No need to send me a PM. Thanks.

Let's stick to figs.


I just mentioned the history of my country and all countries have their own enemies and also gained independence in their own history so I don't mean any bad intention with my statements.Also our President,too.

Hi Ercan

It looks Great.
Any photo of the leaf?
How is its Cold hardy level of This one?

Nice looking fig.  Do you have any experience growing the Urfa biber (pepper)?  I recently received a few seeds and it's on my grow list for next year. 

Hi Robert yes it is cold hardy variety and it can resist low degrees in winter that was -18C last year in my region .
Sobelri,
Yes we call urfa pepper as " isot " and it is hot chilly pepper and don't have any experience growing it because I really hate eating hot chillies.

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Originally Posted by ercan_bilgi
Sobelri, Yes we call urfa pepper as " isot " and it is hot chilly pepper and don't have any experience growing it because I really hate eating hot chillies.


Understood.  Thanks for the quick response.

Very cool. There aren't very many black figs with honey interiors!

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Originally Posted by ercan_bilgi
Hi Robert yes it is cold hardy variety and it can resist low degrees in winter that was -18C last year in my region .
Sobelri,
Yes we call urfa pepper as " isot " and it is hot chilly pepper and don't have any experience growing it because I really hate eating hot chillies.


I didn't realize that area could reach temperatures of -18c. And that this fig withstands it. I checked you eBay name and see you have nothing available at the moment. Are cuttings of this species something that you sell? If so I'm interested.

Please PM me with details if so.

I'm assuming with these temperatures this is a common fig?

Dear Ercan,
I might be intereted in some of your varieties. I have shortbsummer climate so only early ripenning main crop figs work. What is your earliest variety and how early it is compared to Michurinska 10 ?

Hello all,

For those interested in the climate of Turkey, see the following URL https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Turkey

I don.t know where Ercan lives but there are regions of Turkey that are as cold as southern Minnesota. Check the weather of Erzurum, Turkey for example.

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Originally Posted by ercan_bilgi
Hi Robert yes it is cold hardy variety and it can resist low degrees in winter that was -18C last year in my region . Sobelri, Yes we call urfa pepper as " isot " and it is hot chilly pepper and don't have any experience growing it because I really hate eating hot chillies.


Ercan,
Could I make serious reservation for 3 cuttings, now? Will be ordered in february 2017.

sure I noted.Thanks

Ercan...... A City of Heros ???

I hate to turn this into a political discussion but you should have left out your own political comments from the post in the first place. Since you chose not to, it begs a response. Lets examine the statements a bit closer   

1) Urfa was not occupied???

It Urfa was conquered repeatedly throughout history, and has been dominated by many civilizations, including the 
EblaAkkadiansSumeriansBabyloniansHittitesArmeniansHurri-Mitannis (Armeno-Aryans), AssyriansChaldeansMedesPersiansAncient Macedonians(under Alexander the Great), SeleucidsArameansOsrhoenesRomansSassanidsByzantines, and Crusaders.

2) City of heroes ??? More like city of murderers 

Age of Islam[edit]

Islam had first arrived in Urfa around 638 AD, when the region surrendered to the Rashidun army without resisting, and had become a significant presence under the Ayyubids (see: Saladin Ayubbi), Seljuks. In 1144, the Crusader state fell to the TurkishAbassid general Zengui, who had most of the Christian inhabitants slaughtered together with the Latin archbishop (see Siege of Edessa) and the subsequent Second Crusade failed to recapture the city.[7] Subsequently, Urfa was ruled by ZengidsAyyubidsSultanate of RumIlkhanidsMemluksAkkoyunlu and Safavids before Ottoman conquest in 1516.

Under the Ottomans Urfa was part (Sanjak) of the Aleppo Vilayet. The area became a centre of trade in cottonleather, and jewellery. There was a small but ancient Jewish community in Urfa,[8] with a population of about 1,000 by the 19th century.[9]Most of the Jews emigrated in 1896, fleeing the Hamidian massacres, and settling mainly in AleppoTiberias and Jerusalem. There were three Christian communities: SyriacArmenian, and Latin. According to Lord Kinross,[10] 8,000 Armenians were massacred in Urfa in 1895. The last Neo-Aramaic Christians left in 1924 and went to Aleppo (where they settled in a place that was later called Hay al-Suryan "The Syriac Quarter").[11]

First World War and after[edit]

In 1914 Urfa was estimated to have 75,000 inhabitants: 45,000 Muslims, 25,000 Armenians and 5,000 Syriac/Assyrian Christians. There was also a Jewish presence in the town.[citation needed] During the First World War, Urfa was a site of the Armenian and Assyrian Genocides, beginning in August 1915.[12] By the end of the war, the entire Christian population had been killed, had fled, or was in hiding.

The British occupation of the city of Urfa started de facto on 7 March 1919 and officially de jure as of 24 March 1919, and lasted until 30 October 1919. French forces took over the next day and lasted until 11 April 1920, when they were defeated by local resistance forces before the formal declaration of the Republic of Turkey on 23 April 1920).

The French retreat from the city of Urfa was conducted under an agreement reached between the occupying forces and the representatives of the local forces, commanded by Captain Ali Saip Bey assigned from Ankara. The withdrawal was meant to take place peacefully, but was disrupted by an ambush on the French units by irregular Turkish and Kurdish Muslim forces at the Şebeke Pass on the way to Syria, leading to 296 casualties among the French, and even more among the ambushers.

Maybe the figs from Urfa are growing well on the blood remnants of all the Christians' blood that your "heroes" massacred over the centuries.

The entirety of Turkey is built over the ashes of the longest lasting Christian Empire, Byzantium, which was taken over by outsiders from Turkic origins (as in Turkmenistan in central Asia). So next time you discuss "occupiers" "oppressors" and "enemies" , you need to be aware that those are the actual natives to that land. And while you are at it, stop supporting ISIS, Get the hell out of Syria, get the hell out of Kurdistan, leave the Armenians alone and admit and apologize for the genocides your "heroes" perpetrated            

I am disgusted that you have the audacity to call evil murderers "heroes" and somehow you think you can consider yourself a civilized nation worth of European Union membership. Huh! Distorted reality in desperate need of a reality check!!! Are ISIS fanatics also your heroes? 


SimonS,
As I mentioned above I don't want to discuss the history or political issues we are here for figs ,please DON'T forget this.

If the problem is the name of the fig "Urfa" then I advice you to look at this history background of "Caliymra" fig origin and where it is come from California! (California -Symnra).
Alhamdulillah we are living a fig heaven country and eat our Own figs here and ,

Thanks to Allah, our fig trees are growing well on the remnants of all the Martyrs' blood that gave their soul for this land .

Our ancestors Ottomans behaved equally all the nations in their lands thats why they are Great Emperor.

We are in Turkey DON'T support ISIS or DAESH,they are not related with Islam.

I like all my American friend here including you because you are caring plants so you must have sensitive soul ,won't you ? and they are all really polite and respectful towards me .

Lastly,in our culture there is a motto that I want to share with you
"if someone throw a mud,you give him a bread"
(It is not an info from Wikipedia)
:)

Arcan 

No the problem is not the name Urfa! The problem is that you referred to cold blooded evil genocidal maniacs as "heroes".
But since you did bring up the name Calimyrna as a counter argument, allow me to comment. I am very well aware that Calimyrna is a combination of California and Smyrna. I find your argument hollow since Smyrna  (Ancient GreekΣμύρνη or Σμύρνα) was an Ancient Greek city and instead of countering my points, actually reinforces my arguments of your genocidal history. Where exactly are the hellenic inhabitants of Smyrna ???? they met the same fate as the rest of the millions living in Byzantium. Rescind your Christianity and Convert to Islam or be killed immediately at the hands of the people you call "heroes". My wife's great great great great grandfather was beheaded, yes beheaded by your so called "heroes" in the mid 19th century. He was murdered for being Christian at the entryway to the Church. That's a real martyr so don't dare refer to "all the Martyrs" as if real Martyrs and the evil Ottomans are somehow equal! your "heroes" seemed to be fond of beheading people just like ISIS. It is an open secret that the Jihadists recruits of ISIS, entered Syria on a red carpet laid out for them in Turkey.

Herein lies the difference between the civilized world and those who somehow want to shoe themselves into inclusion into the civilized world. There are genocidal maniacs that pretended to be Christian. As example, Hitler is believed to be from Christian and some Jewish blood. However, in spite of the fact that such monsters claimed to be "Christian", virtually all Christians refer to them as genocidal maniacs. By contrast, you call your Ottoman genocidal maniacs "heroes" and that is precisely what I objected to and not the silly argument about the name of the fig. You, like most of your people are in utter denial of the genocides your "heroes" committed and you are in your own words "proud" of them. Sounds very similar to how ISIS feels. Tell me exactly where did the millions of residents of Byzantium disappear to ???  Where exactly did the Christian residents of Urfa disappear to??? 

Your "heroes" in a relatively small geographic area massacred Greeks/Hellenics/ Byzantines, Armenians, Arabs (Both Christian and Moslems alike), Syrians / Syriacs, Assyrians, Druze and even fellow Moslems like Kurdish, Alevite Shiites and the Sufis (the most peaceful sect within Islam, like the flower bearing, tye dye shirt wearing hippies of Islam). Can you name just one other religion or race or creed that your "heroes" actually got along with and did not murder in wholesale numbers ????? ......... I am sure I will be waiting for a long time for the short list consisting on zero names 

When you finally stop referring to your Hitlers as "Heroes", there may be hope for rehabilitation, but until then you can forget it. And I am sure among Turks you are considered somewhat of a liberal

Simons,
Here is not the right platform to discuss such things.
I know my ancient history very well and I again and repeatedly say "I am proud of my hero ancestors,Ottomans."
I have good reply for your all questions but first, questions should be quality enough that worth to reply.If anything related with figs it is ok.If not I don't reply .

I was worried this morning when I saw the first political post,please keep it to the figs guys.I studied politics and have read history and from what I can tell we(humanity collectively)are all a pretty despicable bunch,I come from "Great" Britain and know my history and it isn't all 'cultural exchange' and 'progress'.

Dispite what myths governments want to promote historical records speak for the truth,or versions of the truth from many different perspectives,all of them correct "in the eyes of the beholder",that's the thing about myths.All countries and nations and build on myths,in the face of the usually pretty horrific truth about how nations are born it's the myths that help keep it all together,if we weren't brought up believing something other than that the world is a pretty brutal,bloody,mess of competing interests and narratives we might just all give up.

I do not speak of Civilised worlds and otherwise,I think Ghandi said it best when he was asked what he thought of Western Civilisation, he simply replied "I think it would be a good idea",the same applies to the rest of the world as well.None of the world nations are blameless.

We all come from the 4 corners of this bloody mess of a planet but the one thing we have in common here is that we marvel at this small piece of our shared reality,a tree,and trees don't care what politicians want to call the ground they stand on or who's blood waters the soil,they will grow as they wish,just as God/ nature intended them to,they are witness to the horrors we inflict on one another but couldn't care less.

Keep it to the figs,they are better than us

As long as Americans celebrate the genocide of the native population with thanksgiving i don't think you're entitled to call anyone's  history murderous @Simon S.
Face it, y'all a bunch of squatters who murdered about 80% of the entire native population and put the rest in concentration camps.
I suggest you first take a look at your own history before coming like that at someone else his culture.
Salam.

History is interesting, humans are bloody. I'm not religious, but I do love a good fig. Which is why we are here. Thanks for sharing that Urfa fig with us Ercan, it sounds like it had been enjoyed by many cultures! I hope to grow it someday.

Ercan, thanks for sharing your beautiful fig pictures. I’ve learned so much from your posts. Turkey has contributed many great figs to fig growers everywhere.

If people want to discuss history and politics, they should google around and find a different board.
If they want to vent their anger and frustration by projecting it onto others, they should find a good therapist.
This is not the place. 

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Originally Posted by AltadenaMara

Ercan, thanks for sharing your beautiful fig pictures. I’ve learned so much from your posts. Turkey has contributed many great figs to fig growers everywhere.

If people want to discuss history and politics, they should google around and find a different board.
If they want to vent their anger and frustration by projecting it onto others, they should find a good therapist.
This is not the place. 


Well said.

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