Violeta - 2015

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lampo

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Posted 1441100310	Reply with quote #1

Having lost my Violeta (in ground) , have asked my good friend Jeremiah permission to take a few pictures and to show his Violeta figs. This tree will be 10 year old next spring. Violeta is the direct ancestor of the varieties - Preto, Black Madeira, Bricoriña, São Vicente, etc.. Francisco Portugal

Jerry_M

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Posted 1441106336	Reply with quote #2

Yummy __________________ Jerry Canyon Lake, TX 8b Wanted: Cajun Gold, Louisiana Honey, Schar Israel-114 grams

ChrisK

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Posted 1441114641	Reply with quote #3

Very very nice Francisco and Jeremiah.thanks for sharing. How is it different from Preto and BM? __________________ ChrisK Atl GA Zone 7b-8a

sampple

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Posted 1441116487	Reply with quote #4

Very very nice,Thanks Lampo!I wish I could have this variety。 __________________ Wish list:Bebera-branca Granthams Royal Vista black-jack Lampeira-preta Genovese Nero Vasilika Sika long yellow Niagara Black Kathleen’s Black Gino Black Fiorone de Ruvo

Rewton

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Posted 1441116597	Reply with quote #5

Thanks for posting the beautiful photos. To expand on Chris' question, do you think Figo Preto and Black Madeira are clones of Violeta or was Violeta a parent in a cross with some other related fig thus giving rise to FP/BM as progeny? __________________ Steve MD zone 7a

pino

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Posted 1441117610	Reply with quote #6

Great fig! Violeta would justify me building a greenhouse..LOL __________________ Pino, zone 6, Niagara, JCJ Acres Wish; Peace on earth and more figs Italian 258, Galicia Negra, Luv, trade suggestions welcome.

JoF

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Posted 1441132463	Reply with quote #7

Fantastic tree and fruits Fransisco! A truly amazing variety wich could ripe very well in Tunisia.. Did you see the video about "Bouhouli" variety in my post? Jamel. __________________ I live between France and Tunisia , figs varieties in culture:some Tunisians, Mussega,col de dame noir, Bellone, Grise de saint jean, celestes, spanish Brevas.

eboone

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Posted 1441134231	Reply with quote #8

Quote: Originally Posted by lampo Having lost my Violeta (in ground) Hope your friend has given you a new start :) __________________ Ed Zone 6A - Southwest PA --------------------------- Short wish list: CDDG, LSU Red, Dark Greek (Navid), Col Littman's Black Cross. And any cold hardy early fig.

Herman2

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Posted 1441140603 · Edited	Reply with quote #9

When I see Violeta ,fruit,and leaf,I see Madeira Black,Italian 258,and Preto The difference between them(because there is a difference),is not,genetic,but it is ,created by external sources,in case of fig tree:Diseases,and viruses Give me a healthy specimen of any of the above and i got all of them.! There is another difference ,which is important to some people:Place of origin! Some come from Portugal ,some come from Italy,some come from Greece,some come from Spain,some come from Lebanon,etc,and that,specific place where the cuttings came from, is important to some people. Another difference is the size,of fruit:Diseased specimen,of same fig kind,makes fruits as small as 7 grams,while healthy specimen make fruits as large as to weigh up to 50 grams or more.

rafaelissimmo

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Posted 1441147496	Reply with quote #10

That looks familiar! Beautiful fruit-one of the best no doubt. __________________ Zone 7b, Queens, New York

kkk2210

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Posted 1441147626	Reply with quote #11

Quote: Originally Posted by lampo Having lost my Violeta (in ground) , have asked my good friend Jeremiah permission to take a few pictures and to show his Violeta figs. This tree will be 10 year old next spring. Violeta is the direct ancestor of the varieties - Preto, Black Madeira, Bricoriña, São Vicente, etc.. Francisco Portugal Hello, What happened to your Violetta? Did it die last winter? __________________ Vinny Bognor Regis, United Kingdom Wish List : Callara, De La Rio,Cul Noir, Calvy, LSU Red, I-258, Maltese Beauty, Preto, FMV Infected Ischia Black UCD. My Ebay: http://www.ebay.co.uk/myb/Summary?MyEbay&gbh=1

figgary

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Posted 1441150864	Reply with quote #12

I sure hope that my baby Violeta grows up to look like that, Francisco. Thank you for sharing once again, beautiful photos! __________________ Gary in CA 9A Seeking: Bebera Branca*, Colonel Littman's Cross

Jsacadura

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Posted 1441151059	Reply with quote #13

It really is a beautiful fig, Francisco. I can't wait for the opportunity to add this fig to my collection. Herman2, I too believe that external influences can change the expression of a fig cultivar. I see it in a local old variety of black fig with an excellent taste. I have several trees (some are more than 50 years old) in different locations and the taste and size of the fig changes quite a bit. You can even see slight differences in individual figs from tree to tree, to the point people could mistake them for different varieties on side to side photos (i will post some pictures in another topic when they are ripe). Nevertheless, propagated by cuttings the genetics of Violeta should have kept almost unchanged throughout the years, when it went to Madeira Island and afterwards to USA and other places. Although with hundreds of years of propagation there is always the possibility of slight mutations appearing even in an asexual cell multiplication process. __________________ Jaime - Zone 9b - near Caldas da Rainha - Portugal Wish List: São Luís, Valamandil, Sofeno Tradicional, Cótio, Cavaleiro, Belmandil, Coll de Dame de Ciutat, Strawberry Verte, Marabout, Sihagi.

lampo

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Posted 1441152278	Reply with quote #14

On behalf of Jeremiah, let me thank you all for commenting and being sympathetic to this nice and delicious fruit On another recent topic about the Côtio variety - Ripening and drying on the tree - I wrote: -Ttogether with Violeta and some other varieties Côtia trees were taken in the XV century to the new territories of Madeira - Açores and the Canary Islands and are still grown there under various names. ----------------------------- In the main island of Madeira, Violeta got the name of Preto or Figo Preto and was extensively cultivated particularly along the north coast but over the years it has been gradually uprooted and replaced by more profitable crops. They still grow it there but in a much smaller scale.. There is evidence that on the early 1950's, emigrants from Madeira rooted scions of this Figo Preto in California (near San Diego) and the resulting trees changed name again to Black Madeira. IMO Violeta, Figo Preto (or just Preto), and Black Madeira are all the same cultivar. Jamel, Yes I saw the video and it was very nice. Thank you very much You are right! , Violeta could be grown in Tunisia, particularly in the Djebba district side by side with Bouhouli and Zidi ... and give you figs as good as the ones on the above pictures or even better ! Get me a few cuttings of Bouhouli and Ajenjar and I will arrange a few sticks of Violeta and another good one for you to try . Vinny On my lost Violeta... It's a sad story The plot was part property of a heritage and I could not put up the big sum to avoid seeing it integrated on a neighboring citrus complex desperate for more acreage.. But in good time I took enough sticks and air layers for friends and myself Winter does not kill any figs in my place.. Sun always shines...never seen snow here and temperatures do not drop bellow 40/45ºF Francisco Portugal

lampo

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Posted 1441154136	Reply with quote #15

Gary, Congratulations You have a very nice, healthy and robust Violeta! Would you expect it to ripe any figs thia season ?? Jaime, Thank you for your nice comments Your young Violeta is right there looking at me ! Francisco Portugal

Jsacadura

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Posted 1441155199 · Edited	Reply with quote #16

Thanks, Francisco. You're spectacular. I have just up potted your Inchário Branco to a 50 liters container (its behind a big leaf from my Sbayi on the right to protect him from the sun and help ease the change) and it is doing just fine: A better photo (update): Branco especial and Bomfim will be next (they are a bit smaller but doing fine also). You have to send me a photo of the little tree so i can get acquainted with her :-) Just kidding... __________________ Jaime - Zone 9b - near Caldas da Rainha - Portugal Wish List: São Luís, Valamandil, Sofeno Tradicional, Cótio, Cavaleiro, Belmandil, Coll de Dame de Ciutat, Strawberry Verte, Marabout, Sihagi.

kkk2210

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Posted 1441157436	Reply with quote #17

Quote: Originally Posted by lampo On behalf of Jeremiah, let me thank you all for commenting and being sympathetic to this nice and delicious fruit On another recent topic about the Côtio variety - Ripening and drying on the tree - I wrote: -Ttogether with Violeta and some other varieties Côtia trees were taken in the XV century to the new territories of Madeira - Açores and the Canary Islands and are still grown there under various names. ----------------------------- In the main island of Madeira, Violeta got the name of Preto or Figo Preto and was extensively cultivated particularly along the north coast but over the years it has been gradually uprooted and replaced by more profitable crops. They still grow it there but in a much smaller scale.. There is evidence that on the early 1950's, emigrants from Madeira rooted scions of this Figo Preto in California (near San Diego) and the resulting trees changed name again to Black Madeira. IMO Violeta, Figo Preto (or just Preto), and Black Madeira are all the same cultivar. Jamel, Yes I saw the video and it was very nice. Thank you very much You are right! , Violeta could be grown in Tunisia, particularly in the Djebba district side by side with Bouhouli and Zidi ... and give you figs as good as the ones on the above pictures or even better ! Get me a few cuttings of Bouhouli and Ajenjar and I will arrange a few sticks of Violeta and another good one for you to try . Vinny On my lost Violeta... It's a sad story The plot was part property of a heritage and I could not put up the big sum to avoid seeing it integrated on a neighboring citrus complex desperate for more acreage.. But in good time I took enough sticks and air layers for friends and myself Winter does not kill any figs in my place.. Sun always shines...never seen snow here and temperatures do not drop bellow 40/45ºF Francisco Portugal Nice one, and I'm sure in your climate all those cuttings and airlayers will thrive. All the best. __________________ Vinny Bognor Regis, United Kingdom Wish List : Callara, De La Rio,Cul Noir, Calvy, LSU Red, I-258, Maltese Beauty, Preto, FMV Infected Ischia Black UCD. My Ebay: http://www.ebay.co.uk/myb/Summary?MyEbay&gbh=1

figgary

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Posted 1441166636	Reply with quote #18

Thank you, Francisco. No, I don't think I'll get any to ripen until next year. I will be looking forward to Violeta and Lampeira Preta's first figs. I am enjoying my Black Madeiras now, and Preto will be soon. My climate is good, but not as kind as yours. __________________ Gary in CA 9A Seeking: Bebera Branca*, Colonel Littman's Cross

HarveyC

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Posted 1441167528	Reply with quote #19

Very nice, Francisco. Look forward to seeing your fruits as well, Gary! Next year's gathering??? :) __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

figgary

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Posted 1441169520	Reply with quote #20

At your place, Harvey?? __________________ Gary in CA 9A Seeking: Bebera Branca*, Colonel Littman's Cross

karima

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Posted 1441189016	Reply with quote #21

Nice fruit Violeta __________________ wish list Violeta, LD'A, Côtio, Bacorinho, Maltese Beauty, Maltese Falcon, Genovese Nero, Galicia Negra

nelson20vt

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Posted 1441200259	Reply with quote #22

Lovely photos thanks for posting them Francisco and thanks to Jeremiah for allowing you to take the pics. compared to my preto tree i honestly believe they are infact the same fig. Nelson __________________ Mississauga, ON, Canada Z5B/6A

lampo

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Posted 1441220286 · Edited	Reply with quote #23

Thank you for taking your time to see and comment on this topic Harvey, Nelson,... Our roots have always been somehow associated to this small tree no matter Geography and its repetitive baptisms and re-baptisms. Its shape, profiles, colors and flavors are unique. From its infancy still shining green, very few chances for errors on its correct identification. It 'says' - here I am !. If mankind ever leaves the Planet with a seeding project anywhere in the outer space, scions of this fig should go with the first planters Being a Common, things would be simplified .. (the wasp would stay home)! Best Health to All of you Francisco Portugal

Figinfever

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Posted 1468767074	Reply with quote #24

Francisco, thank you for sharing your knowledge. I've learned so much from your posts and others here on the forum. On the matter at hand, given that Violeta, Black Madeira, Figo Preto, and Côte are the same cultivar and differences arise from mutation, epigenetics, and environmental variation, how do they rank among each other, in regards to taste, in your environment? __________________ Dan, West Central FL 9a Wishlist- Great tasting dark or light figs with deep red interiors: White Madeira, Craven's Craving, Portugal Black Madeira, Sultani, Violeta, USDA Black Ischia, Dall'Osso, CdDB or CdDB-N

lampo

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Posted 1468786753 · Edited	Reply with quote #25

Dan, Thank you for your comments. I cannot reply to your question entirely . I only managed to root a couple of Preto scions I got from Madeira Island some 3 years ago and found no particular difference to Violeta Believe these figs to be genetically similar with slight deviations originated by their environment and diverse cultivation practices.. their flavors and physical profiles are the same.. Preto is probably a smaller fruit Violeta was born and it's cultivated on the southern coastal plains of Portugal, ,lime rich soils A very hot and dry environment with lots of sun and SE dusty winds blowing from the Sahara across the Strait. Preto grows on the North coast of Madeira, mostly volcanic soils continuously blown by the humid eastern trade winds and breathing sea spray from the heavy swell braking against the high cliffs Never managed to root any Black Madeira but I am convinced that it will be a similar fruit Correction . - I believe there was some misinterpretation regarding Côte, a white Common also popular in Madeira Islands This is a different fig .. I may have said that like Violeta it was also taken centuries ago from southern Portugal to the archipelagos of Madeira, Azores and Canaries Francisco Portugal

Figinfever

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Posted 1468794674	Reply with quote #26

Thanks for the correction about the Côte and the more specific details about Preto and Black Madeira's native growing conditions. Hopefully, within the next couple of years I will be able to report back from experience about how similar they are, growing in my climate and geography. __________________ Dan, West Central FL 9a Wishlist- Great tasting dark or light figs with deep red interiors: White Madeira, Craven's Craving, Portugal Black Madeira, Sultani, Violeta, USDA Black Ischia, Dall'Osso, CdDB or CdDB-N

SuperMario1

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Posted 1468888170	Reply with quote #27

Does this variety ripen earlier in the season than BM or Preto? __________________ Wish list: Galicia Negra, Violetta, Violette de Sollies, Dan_la's Black Beauty 10, Craven's Craving, Most important: YOUR FAVORITE FIG. A lot of people put emphasis on popular/exotic cultivars, which is great because it highlights some of the better fig varieties; however, I am most interested in the figs our members love regardless of pedigree. Currently Growing: a bunch of varieties.

lampo

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Posted 1468948333 · Edited	Reply with quote #28

Quote: Originally Posted by SuperMario1 Does this variety ripen earlier in the season than BM or Preto? Under similar conditions and environment Violeta,Preto or BM should be producing figs by about the same time. In my area, grounded Violeta will initiate ripening figs by now and if weather helps it will keep doing so through August, September and October.. This post shows still plenty of ripe and great quality Violetas in October http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/violeta-still-strong-6569728?highlight=violeta&pid=1281525606 Francisco Portugal

Smyfigs

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Posted 1469020252 · Edited	Reply with quote #29

Wow! What an amazing fig, Francisco. __________________ Meg-Hardiness Zone 10a Looking for... Socorro Blk Wuhan Jolly Tiger Lamperia Preta Herschtetten St. Jean Black Ischia "The best way to show my gratitude is to accept everything, even my problems, with joy." ~ Mother Teresa "Do not pass by a man in need for you may be the hand of God to him." ~Proverbs 3:27~ "He performs wonders that cannot be fathomed, miracles that cannot be counted." ~Job 5:4

Figgyme

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Posted 1475244151	Reply with quote #30

Hi Francisco Where is this tree located? still in banks of the Odeleite River?

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