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I know that this is not exactly a rare variety and I have seen it carried by some online nurseries.

I would like to acquire a tree from authentic source for this variety;
so I am asking for suggestions from an experienced Fig collector who is familiar with these varieties.   (I am worried that sometimes variety names may be used some what loosely, so I want to make sure I am buying a correctly labeled VioleteDB/Negronne, true to its name.

Thanks in advance for the suggestions.
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I got my VdB cuttings from the UCD. As far as I can tell, they were correctly labeled. Those were not trees but the cuttings grew nicely and I had little figs the same season that tasted quite good (many suggest to knock them down though).

(Edit) I got a Petite Negri from the Raintree Nursery and it was true to its name also (very similar if not the same as a VdB). They ship very nice trees.
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MJB...

As an alternative source, Wellspring Gardens is listing tissue-cultured, "Violette de Bordeaux" @ $4.95 each.  Within a few seasons, you will have "VdB" that bears figs, and the tree(s) will also be virus-free.  You could spend just as much time rooting, and then nurturing cuttings -(which may carry infections)- as you would raising small, t-c trees....which will already have roots.  T-C trees also grow very quickly.  So could cuttings...but cuttings can also strike roots, crash, and then quickly fail. 

Many reputable nurseries sell fig trees, and sometimes trees get mislabeled.  It happens.  I hope you find a reliable source, either commercial, or, private.  Good luck.


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MJB...

As an alternative source, Wellspring Gardens is listing tissue-cultured, "Violette de Bordeaux" @ $4.95 each.  Within a few seasons, you will have "VdB" that bears figs, and the tree(s) will also be virus-free.  You could spend just as much time rooting, and then nurturing cuttings -(which may carry infections)- as you would raising small, t-c trees....which will already have roots.  T-C trees also grow very quickly.  So could cuttings...but cuttings can also strike roots, crash, and then quickly fail. 

Many reputable nurseries sell fig trees, and sometimes trees get mislabeled.  It happens.  I hope you find a reliable source, either commercial, or, private.  Good luck.


Frank


Ditto. I bought a VdB TC from Wellspring on a lark this past April. ( 7 bucks US after shipping - such a deal!) Today, it is an incredible baby plant, well over 1 meter high with beautiful side growth. I couldn't have asked for better.  Joe in Georgia
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Joe,
Did get any figs on it yet?
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No figs have formed yet, nor would you expect them to appear, I think, in the first growing season of a TC plant. Although, I have read here that this has happened to others - no such luck for me, however.  But, since I pinched the top off a few days ago, the nascent buds that are present under the leaf stems have begun to swell - they are more than likely new leaves, but they could be figlets ( if they are, they, too, will get pinched off, I want this tree to concentrate on growth and strength this year!)

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My young trees in the ground and in pots: Brown Turkey, White Triana JM, Magnolia, Strawberry Verte, Violette de Bordeaux, Panache, UK Brooklyn Dark JP, Ronde de Bordeaux.
 
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Australia and New Zealand have very strict import rules for plant material,
and are very proactive with issuing fines, large ones too.
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Originally Posted by mjbaransky

 (I am worried that sometimes variety names may be used some what loosely, so I want to make sure I am buying a correctly labeled VioleteDB/Negronne, true to its name.

Thanks in advance for the suggestions.



I will probably have a few available  early next spring,
they were legally imported directly from Baud, bare root plants and cuttings,
can't ask for more pedigree than that.
Trees are still in quarantine until the end of this year.
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Joey Athens-

I could not be happier about buying tissue-cultured fig trees.  You simply can't beat the prices.  So, we have to wait a few years for figs, but you have to wait for cuttings to grow and produce figs also.  It's not a big deal for me, and I'm willing to wait because I will eventually have good figs, and disease-free, healthy, trees.  That's the main reason why I started my new collection with buying tissue-cultured trees...no disease to deal with.

So, I now have "Olympian" trees that are well over 2 ft. tall, and I just pinched off the figlets.  My FMV-free "Black Mission" trees will bear next season.    I ordered these trees late in the late spring, and still in spite of all the cool spring weather, the vigorous growth has been surprising.  What could be better than this?  I'll bet that next season, these trees will really take off, and become productive.

Good luck with your trees. 


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That's the main reason why I started my new collection with buying tissue-cultured trees...no disease to deal with.


That is correct,
no diseases on the plant you are going to receive from the TC lab potentially.

Does not prevent the tree from acquiring diseases once in your possession.

 
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Quite true....but in NYC and the surrounding cool-climate areas...no fig mites to transmit FMV...so, without accidental cross-contamination...t-c trees will probably remain uninfected, and, virus-free.  That makes me happy.


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I bought several varieties from Wellspring early this year. They were tiny, but they were also inexpensive and are growing and appear healthy. I still wonder if they will be true to their varietal name. Anyone know? Or have they been around long enough to really tell?
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I have two TC plants from WellSprings, a Hardy Chicago and Strawberry Verte. The HC is true to name, three years old, and will give me 3-4 dozen figs this year, even after freezing to the ground last winter. The SV is in its first year so no figs, but it has grown like crazy every since I put it outside. It is 2ft tall and almost that big in diameter since I have been pinching it all along.
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I got Black Italian and Lattarula from Wellspring a couple months ago. They're small but healthy and growing well. The leaves look correct so far for both, and I was excited to see pink leaf axils on my Black Italian. Hoping for fruit next year.
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Joey Athens-

I could not be happier about buying tissue-cultured fig trees.  You simply can't beat the prices.  So, we have to wait a few years for figs, but you have to wait for cuttings to grow and produce figs also.  It's not a big deal for me, and I'm willing to wait because I will eventually have good figs, and disease-free, healthy, trees.  That's the main reason why I started my new collection with buying tissue-cultured trees...no disease to deal with.

So, I now have "Olympian" trees that are well over 2 ft. tall, and I just pinched off the figlets.  My FMV-free "Black Mission" trees will bear next season.    I ordered these trees late in the late spring, and still in spite of all the cool spring weather, the vigorous growth has been surprising.  What could be better than this?  I'll bet that next season, these trees will really take off, and become productive.

Good luck with your trees. 


Frank
VdB 22 July 14.jpg 
Well, as you see above, at long last the computer/mobile phone gremlins have permitted me to post a picture on this forum, thanks to the kindly advice of Shailesh. So, above is a pic of my US$5 TC Violette de Bordeaux, taken this morning. Naturally, amateur photographer that I am, I cropped out the top of the picture wherein you could have seen more of the upright growth, now ended by my pinching off the top growth. This already, after 4 days, has redirected the growth to the leaf/joint buds on the main stem. Hard to tell, bu the new swellings look like they are on the way to being new leaves, not figlets. This is as it should be. What do you think of this plant? Joe

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Looks good but how old is it?
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Looks good but how old is it?


It is about 3 months old. I planted it when it first arrived from Wellspring, at which time it was about 6 inches high, plus the roots. Today, it is over 3.5 feet tall and bushing out the way you see it in the picture. The forming trunk is fairly thick for its age.

I would not expect to eat a fig off of this plant for 2 seasons,  but it certainly is fun growing it. It is growing on my patio in more shade than sunshine. My plan was to plant it in the ground next year, but now I am thinking about re-potting it yet again into a very large container and let it live its life on my patio.

I might do this again near year, that is, buy these cheap little TC plants of varying cultivar types and see what can be done for fun.

Joe
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My young trees in the ground and in pots: Brown Turkey, White Triana JM, Magnolia, Strawberry Verte, Violette de Bordeaux, Panache, UK Brooklyn Dark JP, Ronde de Bordeaux.
 
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Joe-

Are you sure that's a fig tree?  Looks like something that sprouted from a handful of magic beans!  Good God!  Congrats!  I'd say you got yourself a "patio tree" in the works.  When that thing finally settles down, branches and figs will start to sprout...probably this, or, next season.


Actually, I'm hoping for similar growth for all five of my t-c "Olympian" and "Black Mission" trees, so that I can weave a 5-stem braided trunk for both varieties.

Thanks for posting the photo and information.  Continued good luck.


Frank
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Never heard of Wellspring before.

Got VdB and Olympian plants.  Can anyone post a pic as an example of what they received from Wellspring?

Seems like a helluva deal.

Thanks.
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Varieties growing (Received 2014): Beale, Col de Dame Blanc, Danny's Delight, Desert King, JH Adriatic, Lemon, Longue d'Aout, Marseilles Black VS, Olympian, Ronde de Bordeaux, Strawberry Verte, Vista, UCR-184-15s, Violette de Bordeaux, White King
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Never heard of Wellspring before.

Got VdB and Olympian plants.  Can anyone post a pic as an example of what they received from Wellspring?



This is what I got from Wellspring.  I ordered an VdB and an Ischia, and this is what was in the box.

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