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Where have all the old timers gone

Having become a bit more active on the forum recently, I have seen references to the many old timers who are no longer contributing . I do not want to tread on any toes, open any old wounds or indeed undervalue the input of the current members who have provided much interesting and useful information. It's just that when I do searches l see frequent contributions from names that you just don't see any more.
I am wondering where did they go and was there one reason they all left?

They got tired of being asked;

What is your favorite fig?
If you had to pick only one fig what would it be?
Name the top ____ black or green, or yellow fig.
What is wrong with the leaves on my fig tree?
People not doing the basic searches before asking a question, there's not a lot of original questions, just new people asking the same old questions.
Etc, etc, etc., ad nauseum 

People find out that it is a lot of work taking care of a lot of figs.

People find out that the $100 they paid for the current "Fad" fig is now only worth $10.

And of course it is like a lot of hobbies people get in , they get out, moving on to the next shiny object.

OBTW - I posted a similar question under the topic  "Where have all the flowers gone" Posted 06/10/16

I'm still here. I'm just more active on Facebook via my page and other fig groups. I find it easier to post photos and communicating with others.

Danny nailed it. 

Maybe there could be an easier, standardized way to answer these questions (e.g., see FAQ #4).

I would add one other comment.  If you are a fairly dedicated hobbyist, you quickly answer the basic questions.  Your attention (or at least mine) turns to more esoteric issues, such as whether I need to supplement with Silicon or root prune more frequently.  The old timers have moved on to other issues.  

Count me as an old timer when you do not find me here shortly after :-) .

I do think that people hop from one hobby to another when the old one does not excite/motivate them enough...But in general, if people list gardening as their hobby, fig is only one of the many categories under gardening.  They may not be too attached to any particular species or simply do not have the energy to get into the many cultivars, unless they are collectors.   

If one just wants to dab into fig gardening for some specific info, he can usually google them and then move on.  However, if one has certain financial interests in this hobby, then he/she can become a long timer.  That is actually beneficial to the forum.   


Migration to other fig groups. More options than before. Most left as they are not happy
with the moderator over some "contentious" writings. Anyway, it's a hobby for me.

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Originally Posted by dkirtexas
They got tired of being asked;

What is your favorite fig?
If you had to pick only one fig what would it be?
Name the top ____ black or green, or yellow fig.
What is wrong with the leaves on my fig tree?
People not doing the basic searches before asking a question, there's not a lot of original questions, just new people asking the same old questions.
Etc, etc, etc., ad nauseum 

People find out that it is a lot of work taking care of a lot of figs.

People find out that the $100 they paid for the current "Fad" fig is now only worth $10.

And of course it is like a lot of hobbies people get in , they get out, moving on to the next shiny object.

OBTW - I posted a similar question under the topic  "Where have all the flowers gone" Posted 06/10/16

Thanks for the pointers on the questions that have been done to death, I will try to avoid them in future and apologize if I have bored anyone with questions I have asked previously. I appreciate that looking after figs can be a lot of work, I have found that out in the last couple of years even with my modest collection. Yes I agree that the search facility is your first port of call both here and external search engines.
I appreciate your shiny new object anology, for example I was very interested in gooseberries and collected far more than I need. Still got them, but no longer want to add any more.


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Originally Posted by Bass
I'm still here. I'm just more active on Facebook via my page and other fig groups. I find it easier to post photos and communicating with others.


Thanks Bass yours is a name I recognize.

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Originally Posted by jrdewhirst
Danny nailed it. 

Maybe there could be an easier, standardized way to answer these questions (e.g., see FAQ #4).

I would add one other comment.  If you are a fairly dedicated hobbyist, you quickly answer the basic questions.  Your attention (or at least mine) turns to more esoteric issues, such as whether I need to supplement with Silicon or root prune more frequently.  The old timers have moved on to other issues.  


Thanks for your response I have replied to Danny in more detail.

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Originally Posted by schang
Count me as an old timer when you do not find me here shortly after :-)   




Nice touch of humour.

I've seen that some people have moved homes and had to leave or give up plants. Also changing obligations at work or with growing families can cause interest in fig collections to decrease.

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There are lots of members with patience that enjoy answering questions so I don't think newbies asking very basic questions is a problem.

Eventually all learn to use the search function and then get access to a very rich database of fig information.  Then they ask more advanced questions that everyone learns from.  In the process many people get connected and fig collections expand.

Some old timers left bc fading interest due to life's journey or after they achieved their fig collection goals.
Another reason is when some disagree with a point of view they can get rude and this offends some people and so they chose the other forum with moderators.

For me I think we are all adults here and I am not offended by the odd colourful adjective that doesn't get too bad.  This forum has enough knowledgeable members that are not shy and misinformation gets corrected very fast.  
So I like this place and do most of my postings here.  Wish I had more time for the other forums and facebook but I can only visit them when time allows.

All the fig forums are doing a great job of bringing fig grower enthusiast together and advancing ficus carica knowledge!

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Originally Posted by paully22
Migration to other fig groups. More options than before. Most left as they are not happy
with the moderator over some "contentious" writings. Anyway, it's a hobby for me.


Thanks, I am aware of ourfigs.com
Any others that you think think worth visiting?
The UK is a wasteland as far as fig forums are concerned.
The "contentious" writings was the bit I was worried about stirring up.

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Originally Posted by Ortegojeffrey
I've seen that some people have moved homes and had to leave or give up plants. Also changing obligations at work or with growing families can cause interest in fig collections to decrease.


Thanks, As a retiree, I forget sometimes that people lead far busier lives than I do.
Yes, as my interest in Peach and gooseberry collecting has declined.

I believe in " it's a hobby" , let no one spoil my day + there are enough better things to
do. Besides, this forum belongs to Jon & he can do want he wants & at his own time.

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Originally Posted by pino
There are lots of members with patience that enjoy answering questions so I don't think newbies asking very basic questions is a problem.

Eventually all learn to use the search function and then get access to a very rich database of fig information.  Then they ask more advanced questions that everyone learns from.  In the process many people get connected with other fig lovers.

There are many reasons some old timers left.
IMO the biggest reason is likely fading interest after they achieve their fig collection goals.  Another eeason is when posting online some people when they disagree with a point of view can get rude and this offends many others.  Just human nature but its driving much censuring of social media especially twitter, facebook and now also google.  

Here a group of members were very insistent on having active moderation of this site and when that didn't happen they left and formed their own moderated forum.

For me I think we are all adults here and I am not offended by the odd colourful adjective.
This forum has enough knowledgeable members that are not shy and misinformation gets corrected very fast.  So I like this place and do most of my postings here.  Wish I had more time for the other forums and facebook but I only visit them when time allows.


Thanks Pino for your detailed response. I value your posts which are always interesting and especially the pictures.
I think that sometimes people can take offense a bit too easily, and it can soon blow up into a real slanging match.
I find it quite sad that countries which used to be champions of free speech, now find it necessary to have such things as safe spaces in universities and to disallow speakers who do not hold mainstream opinions. Hmm, better leave that, don't want to stir things up😁
By the way, which is the actively moderated forum you mention?

Thanks again for all the replies, they have provided lots of detail and answered my question.
I was really just curious if there was a particular controversy that caused a lot of people to depart en masse. It looks that wasn't the case apart from Pino's mention of an active moderation disagreement.

Facebook has a lot of the old timers and plenty of newbies. I would suggest joining either my fb page (California Figs group) ,Rafeds fig group or Vineeths European figs group.

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Facebook has a lot of the old timers and plenty of newbies. I would suggest joining either my fb page (California Figs group) ,Rafeds fig group or Vineeths European figs group.


Unfortunately I'm not on Facebook. I've been a bit reluctant because of the information criminals have picked up from people's Facebook accounts. I suppose I should do a bit of research and find out just how much much personal information is compulsory and how much is under users control. If I were on Facebook it would be Vineeth's group as he lives in the next door county. Oops, personal information provided voluntarily 😂

Well that didn't take long, it seems that you can do quite a lot to keep personal information private, so thanks again for the info brianm.

Yeah I do a lot of financial stuff on my computer, so you'll never see me on Facebook. Plus I find it way too intrusive. How could you possibly be bored with peaches? So many different types and taste ranges. Nectarines are even better. Probably my favorite fruit. Raspberries too, like to breed my own peach and raspberry cultivars. Something I can't really do with figs.

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Yeah I do a lot of financial stuff on my computer, so you'll never see me on Facebook. Plus I find it way too intrusive. How could you possibly be bored with peaches? So many different types and taste ranges. Nectarines are even better. Probably my favorite fruit. Raspberries too, like to breed my own peach and raspberry cultivars. Something I can't really do with figs.


It wasn't that I was bored with peaches or nectarines. It was a combination of leaf curl disease, requiring room in the greenhouse to avoid.
Lack of that room, plus they were more prone to the spider mites than figs. Plus growing everything in pots it was getting too much.
I've got some raspberries "Joan J". Nice autumn fruiter. Not sure if you have that in the USA.

John as per your question;  
Although much less than before I still see quite a few of the old guys on the gardenweb forum;  http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/fig

John... don't take things about the ability to supposedly keep personal information private on FB at "FACE" value... In reality, FB is one of the biggest culprits of what I consider to be abusive data mining.... I know that there are many sites that now do it but FB pioneered snooping on your multiple browsing sessions within the same browser space to track where you were going and what you were doing... all without any specific approvals from you.... They are at the forefront of most technologies that help them to drive their profit margin at the expense of personal privacy. I use FB but I take steps to limit their data mining haul. Lock them down using their tools and then locking them down using your own best practices is the only way to prevent your life from being an open book subject to their monitoring... Am not suggesting that most people have anything to hide but personal privacy is a core right and I hate to see any entity abuse that right for their own corporate gain...

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Originally Posted by pino
John as per your question;  
Although much less than before I still see quite a few of the old guys on the gardenweb forum;  http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/fig


Thanks Joe, will give that a look.

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