Who said Organza bags worked?

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rafaelissimmo

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Posted 1411135976	Reply with quote #1

Here is today's result, birds pecked right through this organza bag. I guess my grandad's .22 is the only option left. Attached Images image.jpg (129.16 KB, 207 views) __________________ Zone 7b, Queens, New York

greenfig

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Posted 1411136240	Reply with quote #2

Not for me all the time but they deter the birds sometimes. __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

waynea

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Posted 1411137972	Reply with quote #3

So far I have not lost a fig using them, but I am sure I will.

rafaelissimmo

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Posted 1411138324	Reply with quote #4

I will wrap netting around this tree, its the only one not inside my protected "fig cage." __________________ Zone 7b, Queens, New York

snaglpus

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Posted 1411138983	Reply with quote #5

Your bags are the wrong color. They should be green. Try the green ones and you will see. I haven't lost one fig yet in a bag. Give the green ones a try. __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

Speedmaster

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Posted 1411143361	Reply with quote #6

Quote: Originally Posted by snaglpus Your bags are the wrong color. They should be green. Try the green ones and you will see. I haven't lost one fig yet in a bag. Give the green ones a try. Oh no, I ordered white... Haha I hope they work or I will be giving presents in them XP __________________ Weather: Winter: 10C+ Summer: 42C+ Growing: Syrian Unk., Atreano, Egyptian Unk., Lebanese Unk., Col de dame Gris, Beall, Negronne, Ronde de bordeaux, Brogiotto Bianco Wish List: Panache.

rafaelissimmo

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Posted 1411143617	Reply with quote #7

Yeah, I guess I missed the bulletin too! __________________ Zone 7b, Queens, New York

vito12831

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Posted 1411143748	Reply with quote #8

Hi Rafael. Sorry to see that, I think Dennis has something there, I used the white ones and lost some then my wife brought home the green ones and I haven't lost any yet. Who could blame the birds for loving the figs. Vito

Rob

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Posted 1411143770	Reply with quote #9

I use white ones just like that and so far, I haven't had any losses on the ones I have bagged. On the figs I have not bagged, I have had a few losses. So I'm sure that they're not 100% foolproof, but probably better than nothing. Has worked reasonably well on my tomatoes too __________________ Rob Maryland Zone 7 http://rbfigs.webs.com/

FiggyFrank

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Posted 1411150065	Reply with quote #10

I hope I don't get jinxed for this, but I haven't lost a fig to a bird yet. I rarely use the organza bags unless it's a fig I really really want. When I do use them, they're green. __________________ Frank zone 7a - VA

nycfig

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Posted 1411152577	Reply with quote #11

Rafael - I use lots of different colors and still lose a fig now and then. Color doesn't seem to make a difference over here. If the birds or yellow jackets or squirrels want it they take it, regardless of color. For the most part organza bags work well. For me, green ones are harder to see in the tree. __________________ Danny NYC Z7a It's all about the figs! Facebook: NYCfigs Buying Fig Trees and Cuttings From the Internet

rafaelissimmo

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Posted 1411153236	Reply with quote #12

Its a constant battle Danny. I dealt with Squirrels and they are gone. My fig cage is mostly bird proof. I got yellow jacket traps. But I like to keep this one tree on my deck, but the bugs and birds are just relentless. I wonder how anybody can grow a fig in peace sometimes. __________________ Zone 7b, Queens, New York

jake

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Posted 1411153976	Reply with quote #13

I don't think I ever lost a fig to a bird using the bags. But I lose the fig and the bag to racoons. I find the empty bags scattered throughout the woods around the house. I quit using them as I believe I was only aiding the thieves. __________________ Jake Zone 8B Crystal clear Gulf of Mexico,White sand beaches,Citrus trees, Large hurricanes,and tornadoes. Wish list: Scott's Yellow ( now have cuttings, Spring will tell)

RichinNJ

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Posted 1411158735	Reply with quote #14

Quote: Originally Posted by rafaelissimmo .... I guess my grandad's .22 is the only option left. I'm not freak'n bailing you out of jail again Raf.

rafaelissimmo

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Posted 1411159674	Reply with quote #15

Just kiddin'. I loooove birds! __________________ Zone 7b, Queens, New York

pitangadiego

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Posted 1411170903	Reply with quote #16

I use red and bright blue and have no issues. Large birds, such as crows, will take the fig, bag and all, but have never had a bird hole in a bag in 2 seasons. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

cyberfarmer

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Posted 1411174434	Reply with quote #17

I have used organza bags to wrap figs and apples. I have eaten one fig that came out of an organza bag. The rest were shredded apart by whatever creature ate the figs inside. I'm looking into acquiring some mithril bags. Oh... and then there was that day it was really windy and half of my fruit blew to the ground; The ones in bags seemed to catch the wind better. __________________ Paul the Fig Tree Destroyer in Fallbrook, CA (Zone 10A )

rafaelissimmo

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Posted 1411174571	Reply with quote #18

Cyberfarmer You crack me up-mithril bags! :-) __________________ Zone 7b, Queens, New York

Charlie

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Posted 1411175052	Reply with quote #19

Somebody should try camo netting. __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

Figfinatic

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Posted 1411175095	Reply with quote #20

I didn't lose a single one with the bags until this year. The birds have figured it out and I've lost a lot of figs now with pecked thru bags. I've resorted to double bagging them with the organza. That seems to work for now but they already got some of the best. Need another plan soon. __________________ Wish: Sbayi, passiflora incense, quadrangularis or others

coop951

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Posted 1411179473	Reply with quote #21

Hi Rafael I have had really good luck also with the bags. I originally wanted to go white but they were out of stock so I went with the pale green that looked most like the leaves. I'm glad I did and the figs in the bags remain untouched and the un bagged right next to them are often pecked at. I am definitely liking them. __________________ Coop Northern NJ Zone 7a

DebJRB

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Posted 1411503210	Reply with quote #22

It's my first year trying the organza bags. (Thanks to this forum for that suggestion!) And a bowl of water (as I heard birds like the figs for the water). I think they do keep the birds from pecking as much. The bagged figs that I'm finding on the ground (and one still on the tree) look very mushed, so I think its the squirrels getting to them. They haven't yet been able to rip a bag open. I chose red with the thought that if the bags looked anything like the figs' color (ripe or unripe) it would attract pests. So I went with bright red (plus if they didn't work out I could use them at some of the holiday times.) But next time I'm ready for a purchase I'll look on here again to see people's experiences with color... light green perhaps. I'm also tying some onto the branch and some I'm just closing up. After finding a few on the ground over the past week, I'm now tying them onto branches. __________________ Deb Zone 10A CA SF Bay Area

DallasFigs

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Posted 1411528927	Reply with quote #23

I put a fake owl up a few weeks ago and hasn't seem a bird nor lost a fig since. ... Until today. A bird got the better part of the last 3 ripe Hollier figs. On a plus note, I picked 2 mission figs I had forgotten about. They were starting to shrivel. They had organza bags on them. Guess that's why me and the birds missed them. They we delicious. :) __________________ James - Irving, TX - Zone: 8a Follow me on EBay Wish List: 187-25 · Ice Crystal · Maltese Beauty · Maltese Falcon

rafaelissimmo

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Posted 1411535494	Reply with quote #24

I put bird netting around the tree, they still got through that and the organza bags. They seem to have abandoned the lonely potted tree for the time, there are about 10 figs left on the tree. They are doggedly persistent though. Owls don't exist here in NYC! __________________ Zone 7b, Queens, New York

ediblelandscapingsc

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Posted 1411867377	Reply with quote #25

the green organza bags worked for birds and bugs but the hornets. yellow jackets, and wasp ate right through them as fall got closer. I haven't been able to get a ripe fig in over 3 weeks because they are so aggressive right now. __________________ South Carolina zone 7b-8

rafaelissimmo

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Posted 1411871663 · Edited	Reply with quote #26

Daniel The yellowjackets by me could not get through my organza bags and many died in the traps I laid. I got some good yellowjacket pesticide too. It was the birds that devoured my figs inside the organza bags. The combination of netting and organza bags seems to have repelled them for now, though there are few figs left on that tree. The yellowjackets were tough for a while though. __________________ Zone 7b, Queens, New York

elin

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Posted 1440667970	Reply with quote #27

Bumping this up , Does anyone notice delayed ripening when using the white organza bags (any of them)? just yesterday i removed all off them in hope of better ripening. thanks Eli __________________ Eli ,Israel ,Zone 10? Too humid and hot, yada yada yada https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1298814119 Growing: Sbayi, Hmadi, Black Portugal, Black Brazil,Excell, Flanders, Hmari , RDB, Niagra Black,Natalina, CDDN,Maya, Preto Torres, Preto Arge

rafaelissimmo

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Posted 1440678409	Reply with quote #28

Eli I only put on the bags when I notice swelling, so the ripening has begun, and once it begins, well, you know, it finishes. I have notice that rain or watering on the bags on low plants causes a bad effect, rotting. __________________ Zone 7b, Queens, New York

nycfig

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Posted 1440686156	Reply with quote #29

Quote: Originally Posted by rafaelissimmo Eli I only put on the bags when I notice swelling, so the ripening has begun, and once it begins, well, you know, it finishes. I have notice that rain or watering on the bags on low plants causes a bad effect, rotting. Ditto __________________ Danny NYC Z7a It's all about the figs! Facebook: NYCfigs Buying Fig Trees and Cuttings From the Internet

Dave

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Posted 1440686453	Reply with quote #30

try this............... __________________ Connecticut - Zone 6B Wish List - Bordissot negra rimada

elin

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Posted 1440690300 · Edited	Reply with quote #31

Thanks all, It is strange that having almost 113f but getting very slow ripening. removed all organza yesterday and already today i see the color changes. Dave, your method will not work on my ants. __________________ Eli ,Israel ,Zone 10? Too humid and hot, yada yada yada https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1298814119 Growing: Sbayi, Hmadi, Black Portugal, Black Brazil,Excell, Flanders, Hmari , RDB, Niagra Black,Natalina, CDDN,Maya, Preto Torres, Preto Arge

Dave

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Posted 1440692114	Reply with quote #32

Elin I use this for ants I spray it all around the pots not in the pots and I haven't seen a single ant I use it also around my house I have been using this stuff for years and it works like a charm the rain does not wash it away one application will last the whole summer __________________ Connecticut - Zone 6B Wish List - Bordissot negra rimada

elin

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Posted 1440696794	Reply with quote #33

Thanks Dave, No like chemicals but if it is as good as you say ill consider trying to get some. __________________ Eli ,Israel ,Zone 10? Too humid and hot, yada yada yada https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1298814119 Growing: Sbayi, Hmadi, Black Portugal, Black Brazil,Excell, Flanders, Hmari , RDB, Niagra Black,Natalina, CDDN,Maya, Preto Torres, Preto Arge

eboone

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Posted 1440703189	Reply with quote #34

Dave, can you describe your plastic protective device? Is that part of a soda bottle? __________________ Ed Zone 6A - Southwest PA --------------------------- Short wish list: CDDG, LSU Red, Dark Greek (Navid), Col Littman's Black Cross. And any cold hardy early fig.

Dave

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Posted 1440708791	Reply with quote #35

Hey Ed Yes it is a soda bottle I just cut the part that you drink out of off with a pair of scissors then sliced it in half and wrapped it around the fig and the trunk the pressure from the plastic holds it in place it has worked great so far hopefully the birds won't learn how to crawl up from the bottom On my trees that have allot of figs I just toss a light weight bird net right over the tree works perfect __________________ Connecticut - Zone 6B Wish List - Bordissot negra rimada

jdsfrance

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Posted 1440751636 · Edited	Reply with quote #36

Hi elin, Figs need direct sun to ripen faster. Whatever comes in the way between the fig and the sun will delay the end of the ripening process. Last year I used pieces of clothes, and that as well delayed the ripening, but at least most of the fruits were intact for me to eat. If I wouldn't have protected them, they would have been gone. For ants, try coffee and gypsum - the white wash on the trunks. I'm giving it a try currently . I started with the cherry tree and its still alive. I tried with one fig tree ... one week later still alive, so I just brushed some gypsum on two other fig trees. If it works well, they all will be pale faced feet in the future :) . __________________ ------------------------ Climate from -25°C to + 35°C Only cold hardy figtrees can make it here

elin

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Posted 1440764832 · Edited	Reply with quote #37

The organza effect might be a good idea -how to extend the growing season. I wonder if the fruit size is bigger with them. Growers do that with loquats and mangos , probably thats why store bought loquat these days are not as sweet as used to be, __________________ Eli ,Israel ,Zone 10? Too humid and hot, yada yada yada https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1298814119 Growing: Sbayi, Hmadi, Black Portugal, Black Brazil,Excell, Flanders, Hmari , RDB, Niagra Black,Natalina, CDDN,Maya, Preto Torres, Preto Arge

mgginva

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Posted 1440833419	Reply with quote #38

The green ones work better for me. __________________ Michael in Virginia (zone 7a) Wish list: Perretta,

greg88

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Posted 1441036260	Reply with quote #39

Quote: Originally Posted by mgginva The green ones work better for me. THIS __________________ Greg North West Arkanasas Zone 6b Wish list: any SPECTACULAR cold hardy figs, and/or perhaps a Niagra Bl., Laradek EBT, Kathleen's Bl, Hunt, a great UNK or anything anyone wants me to have???

striveforfreedom

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Posted 1441048666	Reply with quote #40

My solution. __________________ Vince Russo Norwalk, CT Zone 7A Wish list - Any cuttings of the Col de Dames would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

elin

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Posted 1441049110	Reply with quote #41

Is this some kind of a glue gun? __________________ Eli ,Israel ,Zone 10? Too humid and hot, yada yada yada https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1298814119 Growing: Sbayi, Hmadi, Black Portugal, Black Brazil,Excell, Flanders, Hmari , RDB, Niagra Black,Natalina, CDDN,Maya, Preto Torres, Preto Arge

striveforfreedom

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Posted 1441063680	Reply with quote #42

elin it is my trusty Star Trek Phaser to keep the bird away. __________________ Vince Russo Norwalk, CT Zone 7A Wish list - Any cuttings of the Col de Dames would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

jkuo

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Posted 1441066718	Reply with quote #43

I find phasers ineffective against the Birds of Prey. You need more firepower. __________________ Johnny - Lancaster, PA, Zone 6b Plants I'm growing: Google Doc

nycfig

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Posted 1441214752	Reply with quote #44

Quote: Originally Posted by elin Bumping this up , Does anyone notice delayed ripening when using the white organza bags (any of them)? just yesterday i removed all off them in hope of better ripening. thanks Eli Eli - I thought about your post while covering a few figs with Organza bags. Was covering a few figs on my MBVS and found this one: ...moved over the leaf and found this: I've seen this before and never really have given it a second thought. I'm sure most of us have also seen this after picking a dark fruit and then realizing the underside is green(ish). The leaf rested on that particular part of the fig and the color did not come up at all. It's a very interesting point that you bring up and to answer your question, no, I have not noticed any delayed ripening once the Organza bag was put on the fig. Like Rafael, I put them on after the fig starts to plump up. It seems that a freight train could not stop them at that point. But figs definitely need to have the sun to get to that point. My guess would be that putting an Organza bag on this fig might slow down the ripening process or make it not happen at all. I covered the fig and removed the leaf so we'll see. __________________ Danny NYC Z7a It's all about the figs! Facebook: NYCfigs Buying Fig Trees and Cuttings From the Internet

elin

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Posted 1443785806 · Edited	Reply with quote #45

Thanks for the update Danny, your way works the best -to wait till they plump up and then cover them up. It looks like every year i am encountering different issue with growing figs :) I tough tthat my zone 10 will be enough to riepn the figs well, even with the organza but i guess they need the "DIRECT" sunlight beams on them. we cant mess with nature all the time... __________________ Eli ,Israel ,Zone 10? Too humid and hot, yada yada yada https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1298814119 Growing: Sbayi, Hmadi, Black Portugal, Black Brazil,Excell, Flanders, Hmari , RDB, Niagra Black,Natalina, CDDN,Maya, Preto Torres, Preto Arge

elin

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Posted 1461772328 · Edited	Reply with quote #46

Ok maybe organzq bags are good for the big ants and bird but for the smaller minute ants they are not effective. Did any one try attaching a paper dabed with honey to the ostiole?? Oh and i tried sealing them the tightest as can be and still the small ants attack. Its not full proof. Any inputs about the paper+ honey __________________ Eli ,Israel ,Zone 10? Too humid and hot, yada yada yada https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1298814119 Growing: Sbayi, Hmadi, Black Portugal, Black Brazil,Excell, Flanders, Hmari , RDB, Niagra Black,Natalina, CDDN,Maya, Preto Torres, Preto Arge

elin

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Posted 1463729952	Reply with quote #47

Just for an update the organza work better for the small ants if after tightening the wires i i make a knot with the laces. ZERO PENETRATION. __________________ Eli ,Israel ,Zone 10? Too humid and hot, yada yada yada https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1298814119 Growing: Sbayi, Hmadi, Black Portugal, Black Brazil,Excell, Flanders, Hmari , RDB, Niagra Black,Natalina, CDDN,Maya, Preto Torres, Preto Arge

nighthawk

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Posted 1469052093	Reply with quote #48

Well, I'm sooooo glad I found this conversation in the forum. I have just bought a small fig tree (more like a rooted fig twig, LOL) for my little backyard. I don't expect any figs this year. But, I remembered that a neighbor's fig tree was devastated by yellowjackets, when the figs were ripe. No one could get near that tree, the wasps were so obsessed. It was years ago. But, I still remember how bizarre and intimidating the situation was. So, I'm trying to plan ahead, a little, and do some research on how to deal with the problem. I'm sure that birds will be an issue, too, that bagging the figs could help. In reading a few posts in this forum, I noticed that some folks had bagged their figs. So, I took a look in the archives and found your thread. Yay! Sooooooo, my question is....where are you buying your organza bags and what size do find the most useful? I'm assuming that they are reusable in future seasons, as long as they are not pecked through or torn. Looks like there is some advantage to using green ones (maybe?). Any suggestions about where you buy your baggies would be greatly appreciated. Hi, Danny! We're neighbors...I'm in Brooklyn. What kind of fig are you growing? I'm starting with a Celeste. I understand that it's pretty cold hardy and tasty. __________________ Jess Brooklyn, NY Zone 7b

nycfig

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Posted 1469065224	Reply with quote #49

Hey Jess. Welcome to the forum! I use to think color didn't matter (see my post above from 2 years ago). Now I think color definitely matters and exclusively use green and light blue. How did I come upon green and light blue you ask? Good question. We use organza bags religiously. The birds found most other colors of organza bags and pecked holes in them like Rafael's in the first post. Green and light blue and the colors that were damaged the least. So I ordered stacks of these and these from Amazon. Have been working well so far. Squirrels are a different story. They'll take anything and everything. The Kania 2000 squirrel trap works best. __________________ Danny NYC Z7a It's all about the figs! Facebook: NYCfigs Buying Fig Trees and Cuttings From the Internet

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