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Is a sal's fig corleone really quite rare?  It seems to go pretty high on ebay.  Are scions of this one hard to come by?
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Definition of RARE
Rare is a word used to denote low numbers of abundance, uncommon, scarce

So in my OWN view if i break it down from reading both fig forums and gaining some knowledge (wish i could retain it) of members these are my thoughts of
Sals Corleone from above definition of Rare

low numbers of abundance - Yes
uncommon                      - i would say Yes
scarce                            at this point in time - Yes

Also the only source " Belleclare Nursery" that sold this particular plant # 31 Sals Corleone closed for good.

I should note im no expert i did collect at one point pre and postwar Lionel trains and retained a few " Rare ones"

So these are just my own thoughts.

If i want something bad enough i get it period only IF i can afford it and never look back and say darn i paid too much.
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I guess then it is not rare for those who have it.
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I guess then it is not rare for those who have it.



That's the big question, how many people have it :)

I know, as with anything, its always supply and demand, but I'd hate to drop 50/60/70 dollars to get a 'rare' one, and then find out that its not quite that rare.  Might not be common, might be hard to find, but might also be something most 'collectors' already have in their collection. 

I've already spent too much this year...hehehe
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I have two Sal's C that I received as cuttings last winter!

The bigger plant has 5 unripe figs on it, will they ripen, who knows?
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That's the limiting factor for folks in the north - will it ripen.  Folks in the south have different problems when evaluating figs, but more figs to choose from that will ripen there.  
This year I've had three main crop figs so far from Round Hill, a fig from Pennsylvania.  (It may be out there under more than one name from different sources.)  But my Celestes, which were probably all eaten in July down south, are still not even showing signs of ripening here. 
So when us short season folks get wind of a fig that ripens here (and is edible) we kind of go nuts to get one.  In my mind an OK fig is better than no fig. 
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Hi Fignut,

You kinda sound like my little wife, she never met a ripe fig she didn't like!(although, she likes some better than others)
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Anyone know if the "sal's" from UCD is the true sal's? I just put in a UCD order today and decided to add that one when I saw it on the list.
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dan, it may be the top fig in your collection at your location. but i wonder if you lived a few hundred miles away if it would be the same? i'm convinced that part of this idea that there are about a zillion cultivars of figs has to do with the same genetic material performing differently under different conditions - ph, temp, etc. how could something basically propogated from cuttings have so many cultivars, and keep generating new ones in back yards?

the story is always the same "found in someone's yard". this as opposed to being the product of a professionally run breeding program, where new cultivars are produced via crossing/exchanging genetic material between plants. this wouldn't be a mom and pop enterprise.

i, for one, will be happy when genetic mapping is more complete, and the results are made available to all.
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JSV

See: http://figs4fun.com/Info/USDA_Accession_Sals.pdf
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Fully agree with fignut  -- almost all variants that can produce a decent breba crop & good sweetness is treasured in my zone. Based on this rationale, I have  a few other fig variants just to enjoy the flavour as bonus as well as hope for Indian summer.
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maybe some sour-grape-taste... or maybe the m word...
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So let me see if I got this right?

My Sal's Corleone figs are gonna taste like sour grapes Right?

So now that I know what to look forward to as far as taste, that "m" part has really throwed me a curve, could you explain the meaning of the "m" word Gorgi.
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Cecil,

As far I can back-source-trace, your S(C), it originated from
my VERY first (amongst some more) freebee offsprings
off my genuine source S(C) ... Enjoy!
(just privately, ask your direct source) 

Regarding the 'm' word, IT did cause some trouble to me
before; though I do not care any more, I prefer not
to re-start any more wars....

However, I still stand by my original somewhat-of-the
-demand-explanation.

BTW, IT and it's (white) cousin/something related 'm' fig
(FdCV), still remain as my top paid for (little) figs from BC....
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Thanks Gorgi
Gotcha.
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i still don't see why sal's fig seems to be the holy grail of figs. i've talked to several people who claim they'll be offering rooted cuttings in the 20 dollar range next spring. i do intend to get a sal's fig, but i'm not spending 80 dollars for a barely rooted cutting. to my way of thinking, i'm better off getting 3 established trees for that price. i just bought an atreano, a stella and a laterulla for 75 dollars delivered.

i shall have to wait. i've got 35 or so figs now, in another year, i'll have 50 cultivars :). i'll get both sal's and a hardy chicago among them. if james robin comes up with anymore of his fig (he himself calls it a sal's fig), then by golly i've have one of those too. luckily i have 6 acres to spread these things out on.
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i've got about 1 acre devoted to my gardening. some of my land is too shady, and i love my forest, though i am planting chipaquins there, along with some paw paw, since they are understory trees .... however, i've got my eye on my neighbor's property, he's got two pieces, and he's struggling with money. if i can buy the piece next door, then i'll really have something :).
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Mike,

You can grow a lot of good figs on 6 acres........

Dan


I dont think a bad fig tree exists!  Might get one that is less than optimal, but I still wouldnt call it bad :)
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Wow, the Sal's fig (cutting) ended up at 103.50 + shipping.  Hehehe, wonder if that is a record for a rooted cutting?
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Congrats to the person who won the Sal's and I hope you get many figs please post Pics next season and update on progress
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i was born to be a farmer, but it's just not profitable unless you have a mega farm. still, having 12 acres (assuming i can buy the additional 6 from the guy next to me) and playing around is more fun than a guy should be allowed to have.

i've got over 60 fruit trees now, 30 blueberries, 52 grapes, lots of blackberries, 7 kinds of bananas. not to mention a green/shadehouse and an outdoor hydro unit soon. not to mention that i'm building a film studio under my oak trees. i'm having more fun now than at any time in my life. i'm not retired but i am certainly not working my butt off like i have the last few years.

congrats to whoever bought the sal's fig :). i'm hoping that's me in the spring!

dan i hope you get some more property. do you have drip irrigation? i can't imagine life without it.
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I oiled the 5 Corleone figs on my S.C. that I rooted this yr. last Monday 9/7

two are getting bigger and changing color from green to yellow,
so maybe I will be able to post pictures of the guys soon.

I really don't think they will be near as good as they would be if ripened naturally, the other figs I have oiled didn't have the good taste that they should have had.
Stay tuned
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I guess the Sal's C is not from Mt Etna, which is what I thought I read. Corleone Sicily is no where near Mt Etna. Maybe it was the ELS Sal's or Sal's(Gene Strain). I have a black unknown which I got from my uncle Sal, maybe I'll name it a Sal G which is his initials and mine Or a Hawthorne Sal which is the town where he lives. Any suggestions?
 Dan it sounded like you were mocking the winning bidder I surely hope that was not the case as capitalism is an American way I was also in that bidding and would take great offense if that was your intention.

As far as the NAMING thing IT'S a JOKE wouldn't want to add to the confusion.
Again CONGRATS to the WINNER
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Wow, $103. Congrats to the seller. I would be airlayering every branch if I had one of those trees. I don't understand paying that much for that fig, but I definitely know what it's like to get the "gotta have it" bug. Good luck to whoever won it. I hope it does great for you.
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Most know me and im not being harsh here what so ever. (italain kisses)
Concerning Sals Corleone , i would have paid that ebay price for it and more if need be why some might say?
Because for me its where it came from, not because of hardiness, fruit taste, or so called collectors item, but because for me it has special meaning .
I have fig trees that bear good, taste good and so forth in my climate so to me the Sals Corleone weather it bears good, taste good does not matter and neither does the price , long as i could afford it. For me you see when i look at it the special meaning it has to me thinking the region it came from is special maybe not to anyone else but to me. I have one a genuine one and if 1 must know i was not that buyer. It will grow in my area near chicago and it will fruit and if the fruit taste good that a bonus for like i said it does not matter, for those who have something personal to them will understand this for others perhaps not.
103.00 for a record no its not a record for a small plant for i have paid 145.00 total for another type of fig plant because i liked the unusual leaves and it was 6 to 8 inches tall only and dormant at the time of purchase, no special meaning to me but a beautiful plant perhaps only for my eyes to look at as others might disagree. Im not rich nor poor thankfully but retired and want to enjoy some things that are simple such as fig plant and in that for me comes memories, challenges, tasteing a variety, and enjoying the beauty of them each day.
Life is short enjoy it.

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Hi Sal
hardy chicago is the 1 from Mt.Etna  Sicily

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That's right Martin

But EVERYBODY ain't wealthy like YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edit....I took out that "wife" part, that as my wife says was "tacky"

EDIT.....I absolutely don't begrudge anyone for what they buy and how much it cost's

But what does kinda rubs me wrong is hearing someone crowing about the price they paid for something.
I'm done on this subject.
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Aw Cecil.
now im not wealthy what so ever just retired and living on a modest pension.
The misses still works and hopes to 1 day also get a pension she is just younger than me and needs to put in her time like i did to aquire it.
But no no not at all wealthy but just go after the little things i enjoy IF i can Afford them.
This is what i tried to explain , its not all about a collectors item, or how its taste or performs and all but sometimes other things factor in for a person me being that person and like i said i hope that post did not offend anyone as it was just a little about why i sought out that plant along with another that i actually cashed in at bank my quarters, dimes , nickels and pennies and thats the honest truth  to purchase one more than the 103.00 that sold.

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Thanks Martin for clearing that up I know I read that but got confused with all the Sal's and similarities to the HC and not so Similar to the HC. Any how you know what I mean. Then It's an HC for me as Mt Etna and that region is special to me having been there twice and where my heritage is. As far as price is concerned I fully agree, as you have all probably figured out I'm a NY Giants fan Paid a great deal for Super Bowl tickets and flight to AZ and all that goes along with it not once have I regretted it Especially because we beat NE. I also have sports memorabilia which I've paid good money with no resale value but that is not why I purchased it. For my enjoyment like you said.
     For all you NE posters don't take offense as the couple I went with are big NE fans and they don't regret the expense even though they got their______ kicked fill in the blank LOL.  "18 and 1 Michael Strahan"
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Darn Martin, now you want to be recognized for 2 RECORDS? LOL
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Whatever those figs taste like, I won't need any tissue I guarantee
And I ain't sentimental about figs, show me the figs!I'll decide on their worth, not where they come from, or what color they might be?

And now to my honest opinion on the Sal's Corleone next year, you can bet yer hiney I'll be honest in my evaluation of it one way or another.
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Ciao Martin, i liked your reply and I understand the sentimentality that figs bring, i love to find figs I may have never tasted but would surely pay money for one from My region in Italy, especially my home province, Chieti.  Dan, I don't think Martin meant the sentimentality being from Belleclaire, I think the sentimentality is his Sicilian heritage and this region of Sicily where the Corleone comes from is his " ancestral homeland area, Corleone is a beautiful town, I have many friends there and still talk to them once a week.  Ciao Ciao
I have Sal's Corleone and if it ever ripens, I will wait patiently.  
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Maggie,
thanks and well said i have hard time sometimes expressing myself the exception being when i get mad.  ; )
Yes had family ties there in Sicily and in that region , also Arigento area. In Italy itself also Bari. In America, Brooklyn and Chicago. For me a plant from those areas priceless but everyone is different. Sweet figs , berry tasting , melon tasting are a dime a dozen for me to obtain. But a tree from a family region or a tree of beauty for ME only is again is something else in my own eyes.
For instance I cried like a baby as a kid when dutch elm disease came to our neighborhood, we had that elm since i can remember and in one week the whole neighborhood of elms were marked and cut down.
As adult i sought them out once again and found 2 types that were said to be Dutch elm disease resistent as they were experimented with and inoculated with the dutch elm disease but fought it off. I now have 2 nice specimens about 10 to 12 years old from 2 different sources and to me there beautiful, im not wealthy person by any means and hope thats realized here, but life is short and doggone it im trying to enjoy things i can afford.
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Martin, you know this saying because you live it.  La Dolce Vita!!!  you must live your life and enjoy it. I think people die younger because they worry about everything and put off things till tomorrow, sometimes tomorrow never comes.  Don't worry about Domani for domani may never come, Good Italian/American song.  Live each day. Ciao
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Yes my only brother (no sisters) Anthony passed at 43 young age he was at time almost 6 years older back then, im only left from immediate family but thats passed, ive heard that phrase many times from mom , dad, grandma , yes so true. Hey Maggie um i have almost things ready for you i will send email about it tomorrow.
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I agree with Martin, if i want something bad enough I will pay what ever the cost.  My parents always told me that you do not regret what you buy, but you do regret what you did not buy.

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Yes, I understand that completely.  If I wanted something that bad, I would probably pay the price.  But I was just asking, in general, if a certain variety was worth a certain price, figuring people with a bit more experience and more knowledge would let me know.  As with anything, its worth what someone will pay.  How would you feel if you paid 100$ for something that is fairly common and easy to acquire because at the time you were not fully informed?  Most people can afford a 100$ loss, some cannot.


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I agree with Martin, if i want something bad enough I will pay what ever the cost.  My parents always told me that you do not regret what you buy, but you do regret what you did not buy.

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Hi Jackster,
here is something ive seen .
A few fig plants for what ever reason when only a few folks have them tend to command a high price at auction i have seen.
But eventually if same plant keeps going to auction and more people aquire it  and some even trade with others on forum eventually more and more folks have that particular plant. Eventually it can become common among many and eventually i think the price will be like most other fig plants.Sals i think will be no different with the passage of time.
Nothing wrong in my eyes about being frugal and waiting, also nothing wrong in my eyes paying a high price and not waiting.
Now the lionel trains i used to collect are somewhat different than plants because only so many were kept in nice condition as they were a toy and treated mostly as such. So the nice ones from many years ago command a good price because they cannot be propagated!
Oh also i think the people that are selling plants and scion worked hard and should get something back if someone want to pay a high price that happens and sometimes it does not ebay can be funny.
Another instance ive sold 10 year old tinned tobacco in 100gr sealed tins on ebay you cannot advertise tobacco for sale , the tin that it comes in has to be no longer in production, make a long story short you know me.
I had final bids on some as high as 150.00 and then some final bids as low as 40.00 not for the tin which some collect but for the aged tobacco as it gets better with time some do anyways like some certain wines.
I hate to sound like a broken record but in mood to type, gosh i hate tying with 2 or 3 fingers.
What makes this plant so special and i personally think that it can be for different reason for the individual.
I always heard at gun shows, train shows, antique shows and such places this,
do not buy something that you think is a collectors item or that you think will shoot up in price and then you can sell and send your kids to college because most times you will be disappointed. Buy something because you will enjoy it, or just like to have it because it appeals to you such as a thing of beauty,this way your HAPPY!
When it comes to fig plants i buy because of taste , family personal reasons, and because i enjoy the beauty of certain plants .
Be careful when someone says oh this taste great or performs great, people have there own view of what taste good, or it can taste somewhat different in another area, same thing with performing in different area's of our country.
I have had chats with that person selling that plant and some of his plants because of requests he actually trimmed a lot off them and they did not provide figs as they could have for him because of his generosity to many behind the scene . Good for him to get a little something back he surely deserves it in my eyes.
Take Care and Best Health Jackster  ; )
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I'm confused.........Again
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Jackster,  The sals corleone is very sought after, if you want it buy it, if not, don't worry about it, why are you soooo worried about what people pay for something which is really nooones business.  Some people pay high for sals CORLEONE and some people don't.  Don't worry about it.  I personally don't care what people pay for their merchandise.  I think you should just buy one and forget about it. I remember when i first asked for a CORLEONE, I offered to a pay 25. dollars. I was told I was crazy that this fig is worth more than that and Leone sent me one for nothing but a trade, I was very happy and gracious, enough with this banter over and over.  Its too much.  Ciao and I wish you the best with this fig. some people collect stuff which is more valuable. I went to a friends house tonight and left my son Alessandro with his uncle, ( my crazy brother) wander what he will pick up,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,anyway, my good Sicilian friend collects nothing but Elvis memorabilia,  I was completely surrounded by elvis all night long, elvis music, elvis stuff, she even paid over 5, ooo dollars for a lock of Elvis' hair, yes, I got to touch the king of rock n rolls hair tonight, but that is something she collects and loves, so good for her!!!! it doesn't even bother me,  people have their own ways and bless them for it.  All I can say is i touched elvis's hair.  What I may like my neighbor may not , this is the world.  What she likes, I may not have any interest.    Ciao Ciao.  



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Well what i think was learned here
we are all a bunch of fig nuts and thats good converation no argueing but good discussion perhaps i should not have carried on my thoughts so far sometimes i think out load too much.
But long as there is no arguement and only opinions this is good.
Sure wish our world leaders could see that light.
So Best Wishes veryone for a continued good fig season!
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while i personally wouldn't spend over 30 bucks for any one fig, if someone wants one, and the price is 10 thousand dollars and they want to pay that, then it's no skin off my nose. ebay is all about buyers and sellers coming together. the price went to 100 because it was bid up to that. why would i blame the seller? he's listing a product and being truthful. that's all he's responsible for.

the buyer wanted one now and didn't want to wait. i want a sal's fig too. i'd like to have both types. but i'm just going to wait and build my collection in other directions till someone starts selling them in quantity enough that the price drops, or perhaps santa claus will put one under my stocking :).

my only hope here is for continued success to both parties to this transaction. figs are fun!
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Maggie,

That was nice of Leon, but would you expect anything else from him?

He is a super nice friend, and I'm a believer in "what goes around, comes around"

I have a feeling it will come back to Leon!
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