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I went out a short while ago to put some mulch on some newly potted trees that I left out to get rained upon and I looked at the Celeste that's in the raised planter and I noticed a white substance completely coating the lower part of one of the side trunks on the tree!!!

It looks like yellowish whipped cream.  It smells like boiling mushrooms-a smell I hate.  It just popped up today--this evening to be exact.  I watered the tree yesterday.  It's been dry, but what is that fungus and is it dangerous for people and what will it do to the tree?  Where does that come from and I should have first asked, does anyone have any experience with anything like this?

I sprayed it down with my Nolvasan mix and I just checked it and it's turned all brownish now.  I don't think it like the Nolvasan (Chlorhexidine).

If anyone knows what it is, what do I do about it?  Is it going to kill the tree and will it spread to the other trees?

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Vivian, I'm not sure what it is either, but I have seen it destroy a huge 30+ year old Celeste tree.  It caused(I'm assuming) the stems to rot at the base and all the stems fell. Maybe you caught it in time. If I were you, I'd investigate it further and take appropriate action. It could be a secondary symptom of something else. Hope I'm not alarming you too much, surely there is a solution. Good luck and let us know the progress.

I should add that the tree to which I'm referring, was totally neglected for years with no treatment whatsoever.



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Remember:  Bleach kills everything.

Just don't let much get into the soil, it will also sterilize the soil and anything in it.

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That sounds really bad Vivian, I know a thing or two about mushrooms and it sounds like a decomposer fungi. If that is the case then it is no danger to you, and will not spread unless the mycelium gets transfered to an injury on another plant. I'd see if the bark under the fungi is still ok, these mushrooms usually enter through a damaged area and eat the cambium first. If you can take a pic that would help, but it sounds like a goner to me. The top might still be ok for cuttings, maybe. Good luck.

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Hi Tim,

You couldn't really alarm me more than I am alarmed already.  It's like a fugus from outer space and came up so quickly that it was a shock.  :)

I don't know how to post a picture on the forum.  The tree seemed sound in that area, but that stuff moved FAST!  I think it also dies fast because the fungus seemed to turn a redish brown (burnt sienna) a few minutes after I sprayed it with the Nolvasan solution.  I'm going to call our parish extention which is the county agent's office anywhere else and see if someone would come out and look at the fungus.

Brent, are you referring to single mushrooms, or a coating like whipped, or shaving cream?

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I believe you are seeing mycelium, it looks like whipped cream sometimes and can be lot's of different colors, usually white though, it is spongy not foamy. It has a fruity aroma usually (boiled mushrooms sound awful by the way). It's the growth body of "mushroom fungi". To compare to plants; mycelium is like roots branches and leaves all in one, mushrooms are fruit, and spores are like seeds. Unless a mushroom has actually formed there no spores can be produced, so the only way for it to spread is asexually. I think the fungi probably grew up out of the root system (very bad) or the potting mix (fig should be fine), when you watered and it rained the pot became flooded and the mycelium migrated upwards to get oxygen. It is eating either your mix or your fig's root system, and has eaten alot already in order to be large enough to migrate as fast as you said. I would check that branch's roots, established fungi are very resilient and it is probably still very alive under the surface chowing down. 



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I googled the fungi, but never saw a picture like is on my tree.

When I stuck my finger into the fungus, it was wet and I didn't feel anything spongy, no resistance to it, but it smeared a bit.  Boiled mushrooms smell awful and just like this fungus.  I couldn't detect a fruity smell, but rather it was a pervasive fungus/mushroom odor that was pungent and I could smell it all around the tree.  The tree isn't in a pot.  It's in a frame like a raised garden, with the bottom open to the soil beneath.

I could smell the odor of the fungus on my clothing from just being near the tree.

Mike took photos of the fungus to email to the Parish Extension, which is affiliated with LSU, but I have no pictures of it from before I sprayed it with the Nolvasan, but it's basically in the same place and is still coating the trunk. 

I wish we knew how to post photos.  Gene has posted pics for me a couple of times and I hate to bother people to do that.  We really need to learn how to post pics here.  I'll see if Mike can figure it out.

We need to get the photos into the computer to send to the Extension guy.  I need to find out how to kill that stuff and get rid of it.  It's been very dry here and I watered the tree and then the fungus cropped up.

I'll dig around the trunk/branch and see how far down the fungus seems to go.  I have rubber gloves to wear and I think I'll scoop up the pine bark that has the fungus on it and throw it away.

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do a google search for fuligo setica

 I am willing to bet 2 of my prized trees that this is the culprit. I tried to post a photo but am unable here at work sorry.

Also known as dog vomit mold.

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Is this it?

http://www.personal.psu.edu/sam21/dogvomit.htm

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Thanks for the photos Dominick, that is in my opinion what he has in his garden.

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EEEEYYYYYYYYEEEEWWWWW!!!!!

Looked more like marshmallow fluff to me--With an ivory tint.  :)

Mike got some good photos of the AN (After Nolvasan) fungus and he already has a photobucket account!  The man has been holding out on me!!!  (Hmmmmm.....What else do I not know about this person.....?)

It's now the color of a toasted marshmallow, or one of those coconut covered marshmallows.

Hopefully, pictures will follow.

Ehhhh--which two prized trees? 

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My two prized are a Sorbello Red from the Sorbello Family private collection closely resembles sals corleone. and my Banana fig that I rescued from Virginia.

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Viv, check out this post:  http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=36692329&postcount=4

More info on pictures.

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Here are some pics of what I am talking about, below the oyster mushroom here



And this is a tray of just "chicken of the woods" mycelium, no mushrooms.


The fluffy parts are like special breathing tissues, the parts that decompose in the interior that you can't see are branched and threadlike. It is porous and airy like a sponge but is easily bruised and does not spring back at all, the color change you described is characteristic of damage.

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mmmm.... hen of the woods is soooo tasty.  i may love figs, but i also love fungi ;)


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My favorite too, really easy to spot.

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Here we go--I hope--
<a href="http://s472.photobucket.com/albums/rr81/menoceros/?action=view&amp;current=figfungus001.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i472.photobucket.com/albums/rr81/menoceros/figfungus001.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

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OK,

Mike tried to go by the instructions I found on another post, but could not find Preview anywhere to click on and anyway, the three pictures of the tree and the fungus are in the link along with a fish picture and a really cool jet plane.  :)

That's the best we can do for now and it worked for us when we clicked on it.  You should see the pic of the tree and then two different views of the fungus.  Hope this helps.  Just picture the fungus as ivory white.  It definitely did not like the Nolvasan, but I don't know if it's dead, or just turned a different color.  It hasn't grown any today.

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Jason,

Thanks so much.  Mike said he thinks he understands it and we'll try doing that with other pics.

Mike says thanks as well.

NEN, Even if I won, I wouldn't take your prized figs, but that's how sure you are and the picture of the Hen of the woods--That white stuff under them does look like the stuff that was on the tree.  I could only see one of those pictures, but it was the one that has the Hens on it.

Hi Dominick,

No, the fungus didn't look bumpy like that.  It was more smooth (Isn't, smooth, a funny word?) and it felt wet when I touched it.  You can see my finger marks in the fungus, that is, if it shows up to anyone else. 

Your photo does look like dog vomit!

Viv


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Thats good. Healthy looking bass too.
It looks to me like it is actually eating your mix, but I don't know why it crawled up the trunk like that, it might have been forming a fruitbody like the dog puke does. I see more white mycelium in the mix there, if you can confirm that it is eating the mix and the base of the tree is are fine then you should not worry too much, be careful not to damage the tree. Personally I would not do anything unless the fig starts to droop. How old is that mix? Better freshen it up next year. If you kill the fungi even though it is benign then mold and bacteria will quickly decompose it's carcass and heat up the mix, let the mushrooms form and the fungi will exhaust itself. Use a little more lime in that one because the ph will probably drop a little faster than usual with all the decomposition.

Stinkhorns are the worst, awful nasty things that smell just like something else that comes out of a dog!



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Ooops!  I forgot to mention that I sprinkled some lime on the mulch.  That's what the other white stuff is.  So sorry for my omission of that information.

The mulch is a year old and the soil is garden soil since the bottom is open to the soil in the yard and it's full of roots from the tree.  I was going to scrape away the pine bark mulch, fertilize and lime the soil then put fresh mulch back into the box.  I need to put some more soil down to compensate for the settling the soil became over the winter.  It was fresh last spring.

The tree looks really good.  I'd drastically pruned it back about a month, or so ago.  Suddenly it burst into budding out and it's so funny to see all the growth popping out along all the older, heavy, larger diameter branches I'd cut off and the trunk even!  It's amazing to see how thick the new growth is coming out on a stump that looks like a small log.

I'll be very careful not to scrape the bark of the tree.  I will watch it closely.  If the tree looks like it's going to die, I'll take a couple of cuttings from it and see about rooting it so all won't be lost.

I'll let y'all know what the county agent says after he sees the pictures.  I'm glad the pictures showed up all right.  We have to start somewhere to learn how to post.  I'll be able to post the pictures of the lizards sleeping on the fig leaves from last season, now.

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There are a few items that lead me to believe it is fuligo setica.  Your description of whipped cream with yellow tint. The consistency of foam and the odor. This is a slime mold. Not in the mushroom family. Also your statement you just recently added mulch to the planter could be the carrier of the spores.
here is a description from wikopedia.
Fuligo septica is a species of plasmodial slime mold, and a member of the Myxomycetes class. It is commonly known as the dog vomit slime mold[2] or scrambled egg slime because of its peculiar yellowish, bile-colored appearance. A common species with a worldwide distribution, it is often found on bark mulch in urban areas after heavy rain or excessive watering. Their spores are produced on or in aerial sporangia and are spread by wind.

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Noss,

your pic looks like the stuff I had at the base of my Brunswick last year. It changed colors on its own and went away without harming the plant. Good luck and i'm sure yours will be fine too.


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here is a good article from the chicago tribune about fuligo septica.
Originally posted: June 30, 2007
Dog vomit slime mold

Here is a question from Sara in Evanston. I am grateful to her because it allows me to hold forth about one of my favorite garden organisms:

Fuligo_septica_6   "Do you have any idea what the substance is that we've found in piles on the mulch in kids' parks in Evanston and Rogers Park? It is orangey-yellow, and foamy, and is wet inside. It looks like vomit, but it is exactly the same in different parks not close together, so that seems unlikely. It appears in several different piles at once, but always on the wood-chip mulch in kids' parks."

I believe what you are finding, Sara, is most likely Fuligo septica, the aforementioned dog vomit slime mold. To answer everyone's most urgent question first, it's utterly harmless to people, pets and plants. In fact, Fuligo septica is edible. Native people in some parts of Mexico gather it and scramble it like eggs. I hear they call this dish "caca de luna," which I will let you translate for yourself, and which is an even more entertaining name than dog vomit slime mold. 

Slime molds are misnamed. They are not molds (a kind of fungi); they are not plants, animals or bacteria, either. A slime mold is a completely different kind of critter. We see it in just part of its life cycle, as a plasmodium, which essentially is one giant cell with millions of nucleii. It is formed when two spores come together in something a little bit like sex and begin dividing into a large creeping blob of protoplasm surrounded by a single membrane. The plasmodium moves by slowly flowing or streaming, gradually engulfing and consuming fungi and bacteria that are present on decaying plant matter. Many a horror movie has owed its inspiration to plasmodiums.

Slime molds often are found on mulch, especially in places like gardens and parks that are regularly watered. But they evolved in forests. I never will forget a hike I took through the temperate rain forest of the Olympic National Park in Washington, where within a couple of hours we came across at least a dozen kinds of slime molds in different forms and practically glowing colors, some of which appeared to be visibly moving. Not that slime molds move very fast -- 1 milimeter an hour is a pretty good clip for a plasmodium.

Dog_vomit_slime_mold_1 There are many kinds of slime molds. Physarum polycephalum ("many-headed slime") is another one common in dark, cool, damp, woody places. Fuligo septica, the kind we most often find in Midwestern gardens, appears on wood mulch or trees or leaves after rains or watering as a bright yellow mass that makes people think their dogs are sick. It is said to sometimes reach the size of a pizza. Over the next couple of days it ages to pinkish tan and hardens as it forms new spores. Eventually it dries up and disappears, leaving the many tiny spores behind to wait until the conditions are right for another plasmodium.

Slime molds have been doing this with great success for millions of years. They are one of those ancient organisms that has not changed much over time because what they were doing was working just fine. Fascinated scientists are sequencing their genome.

The appearance of these yellow blobs seems to alarm some people; in 1973 in Dallas, a slime mold was taken for an alien invasion. In fact, Fuligo septica is native to our woods. There's no reason to worry about it. It is not a disease. It's a natural phenomenon that doesn't hurt anything. Slime molds help break down plant matter, which aids the microorganisms essential to the healthy growth of plants. Like so many other things that creep people out, they are actually good for the garden. 

Slime_mold_4 There is no way to prevent slime molds; the spores are all over the place, just waiting for the right conditions to become active. If the appearance of a slime mold in your garden offends you, break it up by raking out the mulch or blasting it with the hose.   

But if I were a kid, or had kids, I would immediately propose the study of slime molds as a summer science project, if not a culinary adventure.

Check this blog, Cheryl's Garden Party, for the prettiest picture you will ever see of a slime mold. Here's one where Wayne Armstrong gets seriously into the science of slime mold reproduction, with pictures of the progression of a dog vomit slime mold. Here's a Web page that describes scientists' theories about how slime molds move. And best of all, here's a site that tells how to culture a slime mold with banana peels.




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Oh, could have sworn that was cottony mycelium poking out. my bet is on slime mold then. The types of fungi I am talking about can literally devour woodchips in no time and are obvious doing it. I was expecting an oyster mushroom to pop out, haha. I think your trees are safe NEN.

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Whew!  I hope you guys are correct and the tree is safe.  I surely did kill that slime.  It's decomposing and is still a sickly burnt sienna color.  I wish I'd had the presence of mind to take a picture of the stuff when it was fresh, but it really freaked me out totally and then stunada that I am, I had to go and touch it!  Gives me a case of the frissons just thinking about it.

I will carefully remove all the pine bark around the area and dispose of it, then spray the h**l out of everything around that area with the Nolvasan, which I know won't hurt the tree.  The trunk looked like it had a sock on it.

Thanks for all the links and information.  If I hear back from the Parish Extension guy at LSU, I'll let y'all know what he says.

OMG!!! I just read that one link!  Why would anyone WANT to culture this slime mold???  And it MOVES!!!  It CREEPS AROUND!!!  There really IS a BLOB!

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Definably comes 'with' mulch - I have seen it growing on the plastic
bag inside my garage!

Only God knows from which forest it came from.

I also had one young fig trunk circled by it (eeek!).
Sprayed mucho bleach (not sure how effective?).
Plant seems to be doing OK now.

Once this 'slime' turns brown, the very dense fine-spore-mass
inside floats/flies like 'real' crazy, do not wash with plain water...
 

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Hello Gorgi,

It came from a forest with slime mold spores in it which could probably be anywhere from what I've read here.  :)

The poor slime mold fell victim to the Nolvasan solution and is shrinking away little by little.  I figured it wouldn't hurt the tree since it didn't seem to hurt the grass it got on whenever I would be disinfecting the Yorkie crates and pens when I raised and showed them all those years.  Of course, I'm not sure much can kill St. Augustine grass and even if it knocks it down, that stuff comes right back.  Shade and heavy traffic hurts it, but not much else.  I think it's related to crab grass.

Hi Ruben,

I'm glad to know that you had experience with this mold and found it didn't hurt the tree.

Thanks for all the input on this strange mold,

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