noss
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I had really severely pruned my two Celestes at the beginning of this season. They paused a bit, then both shot out all kinds of new growth all over the place. There was one large branch that was going off to the side of the Celeste out front that I sawed way back. The branch then proceded to erupt in new buds all over the surface of that large branch (3" diameter) and they have all grown out. Right now, it almost looks like it was never cut back. Same with the Celeste in the backyard. And there are figs all over both trees, so cutting all that wood back didn't result in no figs this year. The heat will take care of that, with the dropping of fruit when it gets really hot. :( Just wanted to let y'all know, since I had posted that I had cut both trees way back. The tree out back has already grown out of the perimeter of the birdnet area and I had to prune the ends of those branches back. It's just begun to grow and already both trees have put out over 3 FEET of new growth complete with figs that are quite large for this time of year (NOT brebas). And I hadn't fertilized either tree, yet! Dare I even do so? Those trees are scary vigorous. Too bad they'll drop so much of their fruit due to the heat. I will be cutting the tree in the backyard to stumps next spring. I will cut the one out front back farther, as well. noss
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go4broek
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Last year my Celeste began forming main crop figs around 10 May on new softwood (tree had been winter-killed to below ground) and started dropping many by mid-August. This year (with no winter-kill and after being pruned back from about 10' to 4.5')they started forming main crop figs more than a month earlier. They are bigger than last year's and I am expecting that they will ripen sooner (possibly with fewer dropped). Not to mention that it is much bushier and compact now. Would not hesistate to take it down to 18" next winter.
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Dan_la
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Noss, By severely pruning your fig trees, you have changed "the root to leaf mass ratio" of your tree. It is now "out of balance" and is responding accordingly. You now have "extra" roots below ground that are fully capable of supporting a much larger leaf mass.....that is why your tree is now growing so vigourously and will llikely be more productive than last year. It may well turn out to be that; since you "severely pruned" your trees, they may well NOT DROP the figs as easily as they did in the past. Time will tell..... FYI, you are now conducting an experiment that I am much interested in and I will definitely be waiting for your report. Thanks for posting. Dan Semper Fi-cus
GeorgiaFig
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Hi Noss. I prune my trees hard every year, not letting them get any taller than I can reach. If they get taller than that, it makes it harder for me to pick, and easier for the birds to pick. And they seem to be very productive when well pruned. Best wishes. John
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Noss. pics?
Dan_la
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John, By any chance did you prune a Celeste tree???? And if you did prune a Celeste, did it drop any figs??? Many Celeste fig trees will drop fruit when under stress. FYI, I am of the "belief" that heavily pruning an in ground Celeste fig MIGHT help prevent fruit drop. Looking for information here...... I am very interested in hearing about the production of Noss's Celeste trees after the severe pruning. Will the figs drop???????????? Dan Semper Fi-cus
GeorgiaFig
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Hi Dan. It was a Celeste. And it dropped nearly every fig last Summer. So I severely cut it back this Winter, leaving only three 5 foot branches left. I thought about taking it out, but I thought I would give it one last chance (and cutting it back is far easier than digging it out; it's nearlly 10 years old). I will let you know what it does, but unfortunately, I won't know any sooner than Noss (this Summer). Maybe someone else has already done this and can help sooner. Best wishes. John
Dan_la
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John, I am most interested in hearing your future report too. Dan Semper Fi-cus
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I have an older in ground Celeste that has dropped some fruit several years in a row. I didn't think anything of it because there were enough left on the tree that ripened. Anyway at that time I was not nearly as interested in figs. I read somewhere it may be related soil moisture. So, last year I was mindful of this and irrigated the tree when we had a long spell of no rain. I didn't wait till it got too dry. I had very few fall last year. I still had a few on the tree that didn't fall yet was not fully edible. They would ripen on the tree but half of the fruit was dry! The outside coloration on the bad half was greenish while the good side had the normal ripe color. Any of you guys experience this?
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satellitehead
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I rarely see Celestes in my area drop fruit, most of the ones I know of are on the north/northeast/west sides of the homes they're located at. Is it just the absence of a southern-facing full sun location, really good genes (several good strains), or is our weather here better, or is it just the abundance of clay? I suppose John has a lot of clay, so I can't imagine that's it.
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noss
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Hello Dan! Experiment it is, then. Should be interesting. I had to cut off quite a bit of the new growth on the front Celeste because it's gone crazy. Neither tree had been fertilized yet when the trees started putting out the new growth. I did fertilize the tree in the front with a straight fertilizer and will do so with the tree in the backyard after we finish putting the new soil layer under the tree. We're almost finished with that, but will need to put some soil under the edging bricks around the tree, on one end, because they are too low. I will put some lime under there, too. Not much, but some. We removed most of the weed cloth I had under the tree. The roots underneath it didn't look too good to me, so now the air will be able to get to the roots better. The new soil will help the growth of the roots we lost to the weed cloth when we pulled it up. I saved most of the roots by cutting the weed cloth away from them. Those were the larger roots that had grown through the cloth. It will be interesting to see if that helps the tree any, as well. Hi John, We keep our tree cut lower, too, for the same reason. It seems to like to argue with us, though. I'm wondering if the Celestes are genetically stronger trees, or if it's just the two I have. One was from an orchard in N. Louisiana and the other, from Broussard, which is right next to Lafayette, so they're from different sources, but they act the same. They're not young trees. I still can't get over how the larger diameter branch I sawed off sprouted to thickly from the bark. There didn't seem to be but a few places that looked like they might have some bud-looking areas, but the branch stub had so many sprouts it looked like grass popping out of it. What fun this is. Hi Nana, I was told by some old-timers South of us that we needed to get the water to the trees, so I did that and it didn't make a bit of difference to the tree. I don't think Celestes like high temperatures and it has more to do with that and the sun beating down on the leaves than watering regularly. Just a suspicion on my part. But you live in zone 7 and we're in zone 9. It seems to be the very hot, dry weather we've had for the past three years that is the problem. The people who suggested that I water the trees often, have overhead sprinkler systems for their orchard. That may make a difference with the water cooling the leaves. It may be like rain to the leaves. Don't know. Perhaps I should rig up a shower over the tree and see what happens. The squirrel who finally found the tree last season might like the shower too! :) Jason, My one tree, out front is in the ENE position and is in the ell of the carport and the front of the house. The sun rises diagonally over our house and the front gets the morning to midday sun where the fig trees are out front. The Celeste lets us know it would like more sun with its growth patterns. The tree out back is in the SSW and gets sun most of the day. We have clay soil. Unfortunately, we have no North side of our house to plant a fig tree on to see what it would do. Too close to the house next door. You may just have better climate than we do. I know it gets very hot there. Do you get much rain? I know parts of GA was having drought conditions. Is it still that way? Hope not. Would you pay attention to the placement of those trees? Are they tucked into the corner of a house, or tall wooden fence, or anything like that? I may put some weed cloth over the very top of the bird netting this year and see if that makes any kind of difference. Maybe shade cloth would be better, but if it's black, it would soak up even more heat. Do they make shade cloth in light colors, does anyone know?
Jon, I should have taken photos of the trees after I cut them back, but I didn't think of it. If you go to the thread where I was asking about that slime mold, it does show the tree out front after it was cut back, but I don't recall how much of the whole tree Mike got in the picture. The tree out back was just stubs, but I left the five trunks a little too tall, so next time, they go way back. I'm not sure it's possible to kill that tree, not that I want to. Do you want to see pics of them now? I can do that if anyone wants me to. noss
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genecolin
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Hi all, I have a Celeste that I cut back severely but it wasn't because of fruit drop. I cut it back because I was planning to take it out. All that was left of the 12' tree was the trunk and 4 branches about 2 1/2" in diameter. I wanted to get rid of it since it only made a dozen or so figs the size of a marble 3 years in a row. After I cut it back, I never got around to finishing the job so it took right off. Last year the first year after regrowth it had a bumper crop of very good figs and this year it showing to have the same. This is a little off topic but an interesting observation on a cut back tree. "gene"
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Fatnsassytexan
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Hi Vivian, I'm glad your trees recovered well from their pruning. To answer your question about shade cloth, yes it come in a light beige and even white. I've noticed at Lowe's, HD, and even Walmart. Wishing you an abundant crop this summer.
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lreiley
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Interesting. I have a problematic Celeste/Brown Turkey ? that grows sideways towards the sun. After this season, i am going to hack it back and perhaps some trees around it to see what happens.
Dan_la
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Thanks for that report, Gene. Going to be interesting to see what happens with Noss's tree. Dan Semper Fi-cus
noss
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Hi Gene, I don't think it's off-topic at all. I remember you posting photos of that tree and you were saying how it was late in the season and still producing figs. If that was the tree you posted about, it's right on topic, IMO. I'm glad you didn't kill it off. The fig angels must have been watching over your tree. :) Hi Tim, Thanks for letting me know where you saw that light-colored shadecloth. I'll go look at our HD. The squirrel should like the shadecloth--will make a nice platform for him to sit on..... Thanks for the good wishes for an abundant crop this year. I'm very excited and hopeful because the Smith tree has quite a few figs on it this year, its second season. It was just a twig when I got it early last April. It's loving its larger pot. Hello ireiley, The Celeste out front and it's semi-tucked in under the eaves of the carport and it doesn't get a full day's sun, so, being a take-charge kind of gal, she grows her branches in an outward and upward direction. She has snaked some branches down outward then upward this year, but I cut those back. Branches were growing 2-3' outward from both sides and the front and that was too far, so they had to go, or be cut back. It's not a good idea to plant a Celeste tree anywhere there's not a lot of room for it to do its thing. My other Celestes I've had in years past never grew like these two do. noss
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lreiley
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How do you post a pic on this site? I was going to post a pic of my sideways growing Celeste/Brown Turkey. There are woods on the side of limby part,and the leafy part grows toward the sun. There are a lot of bare branches growing low to the ground. Would it be really bad to hack at it now? I doubt I'll get any figs this year anyway and only the birds could reach the part I plan to hack.
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