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Well, when I came home from work tonight and checked on the one ripening fig my unknown tree. It looked good to go tonight and two more are starting to ripen as of today. It tasted really good and sweat. Hopefully soon I will have others ripe figs to compare it too. Here are some pictures. Any help on IDing it would be great. I have a small Hardy Chicago and the leaves look very similar, but I do not have any ripe fruit from that to compare.  The leaf in the picture seems to be the predominant later leaf. All others on the tree look like deformed versions of this leaf.



 
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I can't ID it but it really does look good


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No id but congradulations on your first fig .  ; )
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Looks delicious
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This is one of the two trees I bought last year and planted last August. I did not cover it and it had little damage.


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No ID here but indeed it looks tasty!
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Thanks guys, I'm happy with it. I guess if we can't Id it I can name it. We can confirm though it's not a brown turkey?
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inside doesn't look like brown turkey i had. your fig looks great. it really has nice color inside.

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Inside doesn't look at all like my BT.
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If you did not smash the fig to be like that fat,and short,then your fig is similar to Sal(Gene strain)
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That is how it was naturally. Since this was my first fig I handled it like it was evidence.
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That is how it was naturally. Since this was my first fig I handled it like it was evidence.
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I noticed the leaf is a little cut off in the pic. I have a better one I will post when I get home.
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Leaf is consistent to Sal(Gene) too,cut or not.
I am happy you liked it because the conditions were not favorable to get properly ripe figs with all the rain we have.
If the incoming fruits are not as good it is because of too much rain,not because the cultivar is bad.
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Thanks Herman! I know you had explained this to me before, but just to confirm. Since I don't think this tree originated from Gene's tree I really shouldn't consider this tree a sals gene strain?
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If you get an unanimous ID from other people on this Forum,especially Gene Hosey in Wash DC,then you can safely put a label on it as Sal (Gene strain)
The difference between Sal(Gene strain),and Hardy Chicago is subtle ,but is there.
Sal(Gene),is like your fruit more flat,while Hardy Chicago is Oval elongated.
If most fruits on your tree look like the one in your pix,you got Sal(Gene strain).
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There are 2 other figs ripening on the tree now. If they make it through the hurricane I will post them. Does Gene post on here frequently? How can I contact him?
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There are 2 other figs ripening on the tree now. If they make it through the hurricane I will post them. Does Gene post on here frequently? How can I contact him?
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Try to contact him,at "East coast figs.com"
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71GTO ,
it does resemble my Sals also . Its my understanding that Genes Sals and mine are the same.
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Which sals do you have?
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Me ? Sals i bought from edible landscaping in 2003 as a Sals it was not listed on there website.
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Sorry Martin, I was asking you. Thanks, I'm still confused by the sals. I'm just happy this appears to be a good fig. Im going to post up some other pics in a bit
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Here is Gene from 2009:

Hi Martin - The Sal's fig came originally from Edible Landscaping.  Mike, the owner of EL, saw how similar his Sal's and Hardy Chicago looked and decided to lump them together and now sells them both as Hardy Chicago.  There's a lengthy tread on the GW Fig Forum discussing it: http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/fig/msg101415465988.html
(You've made posts to this thread yourself and mentioned that you have Sal's from EL)


Here what I have in my variety notes regarding this Sal's variety:

A tasty fig that does well on the east coast; similar to Hardy Chicago, but more productive. Mine originated from Edible Landscaping Nursery, which now considers it to be identical to Hardy Chicago. I disagree based on my own observations -- also, preliminary DNA testing by the National Germplasm Repository at Davis indicates that Sal's is closely related to HC, but not the same. Research by Byron Wiley indicates that Paul Traceski obtained this fig many years ago from a fellow named Sal in Huntington Station, Long Island. Paul gave the fig to Belleclare Nursery who added it to their inventory as #39. He also gave one to Hanc Matthies who in turn passed it on to Edible Landscaping. Note also that the UC-Davis DFIC 243 originates ultimately back through Edible Landscaping, and is not Sal's Corleone (BC #31).
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Ok, here is a picture of the full leaf. Here are also two pictures of two figs that started ripening yesterday and today. There were two more that are starting also, but they are not as big as these two.







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earlier this year, i sent an email to gene asking for new trees since the trees he sent me are doing so well. i was told he is no longer in fig business.

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Oh? I emailed the contact at eastcoastfigs. Ill see what happens...
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i think he will reply. he checks his account on that email address now and then. might take a week or two :)

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I'm not sure that 71GTO's is Sal's EL. My Sal's EL came straight from Gene Hosey. I have one in the ground and one in a pot. Neither one has fruit that is ripe, yet??

I know that 71GTO's plant is in New Hersey, in the ground, and I'm in Connecticut. So, we are going to be behind him in getting the same fruit ripe here. But, at least my potted Sal's EL that came directly from Gene Hosey, should have ripe fruits, if they were the same Sal's EL.

So, I'm thinking that either I don't have a true Sal's EL from Gene Hosey, or 71GTO's is not a Sal's EL??

Or, because 71GTO's plant is, I believe he said five years old, produces earlier then my going on two year old potted plant? Nor do the leaves on my Sal's EL look anything like 71GTO's Sal's????

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Ut oh, I was just getting used to thinking my tree was a sals el. I did email Gene Hosey. He said that based on the pictures it looks like a sals gene strain el, but with having the leaf and fruit to take out and compare to his tree he can't say 100 percent. He recommended relying on Hermans judgement.
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I would say to I went back and looked at as many old topics I could find with pictures of sals el. They did look like what I have, even the leaves that were not fully formed in the pics looked the same.
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Here are leaves on my EL.Sals i purchase in 2003.
 Its always been in container and fruit size and to a extend coloring can change from year to year depending on weather, pruning, etc.
Click to enlarge , the pictures are dated and go back only 3 years about when i first started taken pictures of my plants to present season.

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Martin, your picture of the leaves of your Sal's EL, looks exactly like the leaves on my Sal's EL. The lobes on the right and left of each leaf are a lot closer to the center lope.

But, on 71GTO's leaf the right and left lobes are farther away from the center lobe.

I don't have Herman's expertise on being able to identify different cultivars. So, maybe his right. But, to my eye, that's what appears to make 71GTO's fig different from my Sal's EL, and of course because his in ground fig has ripened way ahead of my potted Sal's EL.???????????????

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I agree Bob, I think 71GTO's looks identical to this unknown that i found in Wilmington DE. Not that it helps with his identification any. This fig did hardly any splitting during Irene, just a little around some of the eyes with no spoilage.
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I also said the fig is similar to Sal(Gene strain),I did not say it is identical,because only DNA test can tell for sure if it is the same fig.
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I will take some more pictures. Some leaves look like ones posted. The leaves that grew later I'm the summer on new growth is where that leaf I posted came from. Brent the figs on this Did not really split either a liitle around the eye first, then maybe a little bit im other places if you leave it on longer
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Ok, I took some pictures of older leaves that budded in the spring when the tree came out of dormancy and leaves that are on newer growth that started growing later into July and August, which I understand are the truer leaf shapes. It does seem very similar to Sals Gene strain. It did have a very large crop that I thinned out and seems to be very cold hardy and seems to be diong pretty good with all this rain. I am still pulling ripening figs off the tree. I don't plan on paying for DNA testing though. I guess then my next question is at what point can I name this fig after myself?


Older Leaves.




Newer growth leaves.
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