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I have been calling my unknown Joe's Jersey, but I am curious if someone recognizes it as a known variety.  This plant started as a green cutting last summer.

It has a very dense, bushy growth habit.

The leaves look like this:

The fruit has a red eye.

To me it seems similar to Hardy Chicago but it puts out fruit earlier in the season and is more productive.  This plant was hardy in the ground in Clifton, NJ and it also handles the desert heat in Arizona very well.  I will post pics of ripe fruit later in the year.

Anyone have an idea of what this could be?


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looks like a really healthy plant. Enjoy

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Joe,

The plant is very young and may not have its mature leaf shape(s) yet. I have one similar to yours and am leaning towards Celeste. Have any pics of the parent tree/fruit?



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Will, thanks.

Ruben, yeah I know leaf shape on smaller plants can be different from adult, but I figured maybe it's big enough now to show the true shape. They're coming out consistently the same these days. It was probably premature of me to post this without pics of ripe fruit anyway. I'll have to revive this post when I have ripe fruit to show. I picked off all the early fruits that formed so the plant could focus on growth, which it did.

Unfortunately I don't have pics of the mother tree either. My mom lives in NJ and took the cuttings for me last year in June I think. From what she told me the mother tree isn't looking so great these days anyway. This was a large established tree when we lived at the property it grows on, but the current owners keep cutting it down and now it just sends up suckers from the roots.

I thought that Celeste does not have a red eye on immature fruit?


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I think it safe to say that is not a Celeste. The leaves look like a tree I saw at an Italian Restaurant in Jersey. That tree came from Italy. I am going back in September to try and get cuttings and find out more about it.  

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Ruben,

I posted a photo of this plant in an old post.  The photo is from last year (August I think) when it was a much smaller plant.  Joe's Jersey is the plant all the way to the right.  So I think the leaves that are coming out now are the true shape.



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Alan,

I don't think it is that fig.  I've noticed that leaves on several of my cultivars have gotten more of a saw-tooth looking edge to them since moving to Arizona.  I think it may be a response to the climate.
 

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Joe,
I love the look of that plant.  I am a sucker for the leaves!  If you ever have cuttings available, please keep me in mind.       What does the fruit taste like?

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Sara,

I'm probably going to make a few cuttings available in the winter.

I don't remember the flavor of this fig because the last time I ate it was about 20 years ago when I was a kid.  I'm looking forward to getting ripe fruit from it probably in September some time.  I'll post pics and a description then.


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Thanks Joe.   I can imagine you are glad to now have the tree where you are!


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Sara, you bet I am!  This is the fig that I ate as a little kid.  I learned to love eating figs because of this one.


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A couple of figs are starting to ripen up on this tree.  I'll post pics of ripe fruit in a few days and hopefully I can get an identification on this one.


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Is that a tiny bit of honey on the eye?


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I think its just a scale from the eye that is a different color than the rest.  Here's a different angle.




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Looks great Joe--let us know if it tastes the way you remember it.
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So I tasted a ripe fig from this tree today.  I hadn't tasted a fig from this variety in about twenty years.  I didn't remember how it tasted and wasn't sure what to expect.

Here are pics:


The flavor was not what I expected.  It was at a medium level of sweetness.  Also at a medium level of classical "fig" flavor.  But it had a strong acidic flavor that I have not tasted in other figs in my current collection.  It was different but nice.  You can't tell too much from just one fig.  I have another one that will ripen in a day or two.  Then I have some more that will ripen in a few weeks.  I'll taste those to compare.

Again, here is a photo of the leaves:
The leaf on the left is an old leaf from early in the season.  This is the typical leaf type when the weather is not to hot.  The leaf on the right is the typical shape that comes out once the weather gets very hot.  The leaves are fairly small on this variety.

Is this a known variety or is this something new?




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Here is another fig from this tree.  This one was a little sweeter.  Not much of a typical "fig" flavor.  It had that acidic flavor again.  I would describe that taste as more like peach or nectarine.  It was good.  Any idea if this is a known variety?





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I'm bumping this one just to see if I can get any feedback.  Does anyone know what this is?  In my collection it is most similar to Hardy Chicago.  The leaves and fruit look almost identical.  But the flavor is different (HC has a strong classical "fig" flavor).  This one also seems more productive and starts forming fruit earlier in the season without pinching.


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This fig continues to be one of the healthiest and most productive in my collection.  I tasted another fig from it yesterday.  It was nice and sweet.  I would describe the taste as: Sweetness 8 out of 10, Figgy Flavor 4 out of 10, Peachy Richness 6 out of 10.  I hope its quality continues to improve as the plant matures.  The fruit remains small (about the size of a quarter), but is very soft and moist.

Here are some updated photos:


I am visiting NJ in October and will try to take photos of the mother tree.


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Perhaps you can grab a few cuttings from the mother tree as well. There are bound to be several members who would love to test this variety out. Do you take trades?

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wondering if the taste change is mostly because of climate change??? also what part of new jersey is home for the mother plant? i'm from new jersey and would love to get cutting or a small tree. please let me know if this is possible.  good health
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Afigfan & Luke,

I'm going to make cuttings of this plant available for others to grow.  I'll see if that's a possibility when I visit the mother plant, if not then when my plant needs pruning I will distribute from what I have.  It's located in the Athenia section of Clifton.  The plant was large and established when my family lived at the property in the 1980's.  But the current owners have neglected the plant and keep cutting it back to the ground.  My mom was lucky to find enough of it left last year to take a few cuttings.  I'll see what's left of it this year when I'm in NJ.   

Here's another fig on my tree that will be ripe in a day or two.  I'll post pics of this one when it's ripe.


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Here is another fig from Joe's Jersey.  It is soft and sweet and rich and peachy.  I think that the flavor is improving as the plant gets bigger and stronger.  The fruit is small.



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More figs are ripening up on this tree.  It's a good variety, whatever it ends up being called.



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hey joe, looking at the new growth. man that thing is growing like a weed. how long is your season in arizona? when i was a kid my family moved to phoenix from nj 5 times. my pop would load up 3 station wagons, there was 17 of us. he was a boilermaker and when it got cold we headed to phoenix. i can remember in december wearing a sweater in the morning, but come noon it was off. sorry, i went off fig coarse.
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Luke,

I've been here one year so far.  From what I've seen it looks like the growing season is late March through early December.  In the winter it is in the 60's during the day and at night it goes down to around 40.  We did get a few freezes last winter.

I'm hoping to keep eating figs into November.  I still have figs that will ripen up this year on this tree, VDB, Desert King, and Black Madeira.  The long growing season is definitely one of the perks of living in Arizona.

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Here are those two figs picked this morning.  They are small, sweet, and rich.  Notice the outside of this fig never turns solid purple; there's always some green or yellow mixed in.  The fruit from this tree is soft and juicy, no matter how hot or dry the weather gets.




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I love the dense growth and short internodes of this tree. It reminds me of some of the dwarf japanese maples. Please add me to the list of people that would like to have cuttings of this tree if they become available!


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Here's one from this morning.  I probably should have left it on the tree one more day, but it was still good.  I'll be in NJ this weekend.  I should be able to get some cuttings from the original tree.  I'll take photos.



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This tree is still small but has been averaging 2 or 3 ripe figs a week since it started ripening figs on September 8th.  Today it had 3 ripe figs at the same time.  They were delicious.  I couldn't help but take some photos.



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Definitely seems like a winner for Arizona!
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Ken,

It's been my favorite fig so far this year.  Black Madeira has figs on it that are taking FOREVER to ripen, so we'll see.  What I like about this fig is that it is productive, has good flavor, and the fruit is soft and moist.  In Massachusetts when I grew fig trees the fruit from different varieties all ripened up moist and juicy on the inside, but getting sweet figs was more of a challenge because by the time they ripened it was starting to cool down outside.  Here in AZ all of my figs ripen up sweet, but many of them are dry.  VDB has been the worst in this regard, although recently as the weather has started to cool the VDB figs are getting juicy again.  I like this Joe's Jersey fig because it has given me soft and juicy figs when other trees were ripening up dry and tough.


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I've had similar luck (or lack of it) this year with fruit from my young trees. Most have been quite small with dry, leathery skins, and are sweet but also rather dry on the inside. The best have been Black Mission NL (still fairly small and dense--not juicy, but excellent), Conadria (based on the very first fig that ripened recently, which was outstanding, and more on the way), and Ischia Green. Excel has been pretty good, though still a bit dry and very prone to ant invasions, and UCR 143-38 was also better than I expected. Kadota, Tena (ants), Celeste, Violette de Bordeaux, and a local unknown have been as you described; most others have not ripened anything. I'm hoping fruit quality will improve dramatically next season, since the trees will be more mature with better root systems.
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Ken,

I'm also holding out hope that fruit will improve as trees mature.  I have a Black Mission NL and I'm really looking forward to eating fruit from it next year based on your desription of how it does for you.  I've found it to be a slow grower and the leaves are mottled from FMV, but it is looking healthier every month and I'm crossing my fingers for next year.  This year I ate fruit from 6 varieties.  Joe's Jersey was the most consistent with tasty, soft, juicy fruit.  VDB produced EXCELLENT figs earlier in the year before it got too hot.  It's starting to produce very good figs again but the damn birds keep beating me to them.  Desert King (?) from Burnt Ridge has produced a lot of fair quality main crop figs.  I am hoping for excellent brebas next spring.  LSU Purple grew very well and was very productive, but the fruit had almost no flavor.  People say it will improve dramatically with age.  LSU Gold was a disappointment because it produced more fruit than it could ripen.  Foolishly I didn't thin the fruit in time and the tree became weak.  The few figs I left on it were poor.  I think this happened because the fruit are so large and draw a lot of energy out of the tree.  Next year I will thin the fruit.  Celeste has been a big disappointment for me.  It has dropped most of its fruit and the ones that ripened were small and dried out.  Celeste was one of my best figs in Massachusetts but I may not keep it here in AZ.  I have others that will give me fruit next year.  I'm still hoping to taste Black Madeira this year if those figs decide to ripen.  They are green and hard and seem like they they want to stay that way instead of ripening.


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Joe--I just read through this thread again, since you linked to it from your current Joe's Jersey post. Did you ever get ripe fruit off your Black Madeira last year, and if so, how was it, and when did it finally ripen? I think I'm in the same boat this year as you were last year.
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None of the Black Madeira figs ripened for me last year. They were all still green when the tree went dormant in December. They ended up dropping during winter and spring. I think that Black Madeira takes a LONG time from when the fruit forms until it ripens compared to most varieties. This year my Black Madeira tree has formed figs a lot earlier in the season so I'm hoping to taste the fruit this year.

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Go luck to both of us, then--mine has had green figs for a few weeks, so maybe there's time. It keeps starting new ones too, so maybe I should remove everything that isn't already a decent size.
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Ken,

I'm trying to remember when the figs started forming on Black Madeira last year.  It was late in the year because the tree was still small.  I want to say last year it only started forming figs in August.  This year the tree is bigger and stronger and the figs started forming in May so I am confident that they will ripen.  If you ever are up this way later in the year when I have some ripe fruit on this tree you're more than welcome to stop by and taste a few.


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