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Some fell,  some i touch and they fall right off.
So to date 7.13.12

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So... this is a very good variety as long as they stay on and ripen, but most of the time they fall off?
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Martin,

You have a beautiful tree. Mine is much smaller but fruiting for the first time.
I have not noticed anything drop yet. I will keep my fingers crossed in hopes I have that one good strain.

Does yours drop all its' figs or just some? I mean from previous seasons?
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Wow!, beautiful tree!
I loved the way you've landscaped, from what I can see in your pic,
it's nice, neat, and very functional.
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It grows well for me in pot and last couple seasons seems to get a few more ripe ones and yes the ripened ones are very good there sweet like most figs and i get a mulberry note last season on my palate. I love mulberry's and so this i noticed right away but not from my other trees i can get that taste.
It hardens its limbs quite fast .

It aborts much of its crop but i never actually counted ripe versus aborted figs.
This season i will.
I got the plant as small starter in May 2009 its a UcDavis cultivar.
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I have a UCD cutting, of this variety, started now.  It's just getting a few leaves, and the cup is showing many roots.  Hopefully, I'll have a good start of a tree next year.  They only sent one scion this spring, I guess it was in demand, so I'm happy to get one, and happy it rooted.
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Hey Martin, STOP TOUCHING THEM ;0)


They might stay on. Sorry coulded help myself.


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Hey Martin, on planetfig.com they say Pastiliere drops because of temperature fluctuations and placing it close to a wall can help. Good luck.

High five Luke!
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Yes Brent i read all that.  ; )
Last season it was in back of house right near wall.
Temp fluctuation cannot be helped here unless i put it in controlled environment which is out of question.

It gets the best of care like all my others and like Herman had mentioned in past it needs help from wasp.

But im hardheaded and give it a chance.
Just one year very soon i might just yank it out of pot and stuff in my 55g burn can if i do not see it improve.
Time will tell .
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The French do have their own sense of humor. But I don't think they are joking about this.

Glad you are taking on the challenge, if it does not cut the mustard for you why not plant it out and see if the French were serious about its hardiness ;)

I asked about the skin of this one a while back and never caught a response Martin. Do the figs have an extra delicate nature compared to most? I ask because if they will not survive for 2 days in a quart container I can't sell them. Thanks.
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When dead ripe no im my opinion would not last.
Here is some pictures from 2010 and 2011 you can decide.
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Per Baud's web site, synonym for Pastiliere is Rouge de Bordeaux. Is your Pastiliere look like your Rouge dB?
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It certainly looks delicious, but not sure I could stand to watch it drop so many figs. Good luck 
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Thanks Martin, I see what you are saying. They look so good though!
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Pete,

That is very true. But for some odd reason I want to have them by both names. I have the Pastilliere but the Rouge DB is next.

Just like I have both Longue D'Aout and Melanzana Merdascola, they are the same.
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Great pics, Martin. Thx!
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Yes the figs are good thats the sad part.

Bullet in time i will know if there the same by the leaves and also the figs  each tree gives as i know Pastiliere taste just not Rouge which is still young and not yet bearing.
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Nice Pic Martin , hopefully n keep praying that my Pastiliere could produce fruit normally some days.

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Update

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Ripe =  1 hopefully in future.

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martin,

that is a beautiful figs. i hope i get the cuttings from UCD next spring.. can't wait to try some of the more desirable cuttings from UCD..
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***** and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...*****
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i FILL SORRY FOR THE FRUSTRATIONS AND STRESS THIS FIG WILL BRING YOU,IN THE LONG RUN.
i AM SO HAPPY i DISCARDED MINE TO CONCENTRATE ON FINDING BETTER CULTIVARS.
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When I left the house last Tuesday mine were still holding on. I will be back this Friday or Saturday and check.
Maybe I have that special one? I hope!
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Herman,

Stress and frustration are permanent part of my life. Bit of challenge won't bother me much. Beside, I have other trees giving me figs :)
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"don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill
"the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher

***** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. *****
***** and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...*****
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Its beautiful figs fruit Martin but Mine is still falling of.
is there any special treatment for your Pastillere  to avoid fruits drop..?

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Hi Zaitun
there is none that i know of. Its was mentioned a hormone spray was used on a Greek type of fig plant at Belleclare years ago to set main crop i think on a san pedro type plant but i'm not considering that.
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All the bad filling is because one blame himself for not taking care of the plant .children what ever,and the blame the person could have be doing more to help,but like in this case ,do not blame yourself,because it is the genes,to drop fruits.
As a Matter of fact,I do not send fig trees that drop,to anyone else in the south,even if they have a farm,like i did with the late cultivars that will not ripe properly here.
I just tossed  them in the garbage ,or if they were thinner and could be chopped in my Wood chipper,I turned them to mulch so no one will use any piece of wood to grow a new plant.
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Thanks Martin , I've ever heard that combination of Auxin & Ga3 hormone could help the figs fruit not to drop.

@Herman , You're right..,  I've  never been exchanged/traded my Pastilere to fig lover since I had it in 2010.  Unless I am sure it could produce figs fruit normally.

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The reason why Pastiliere Celeste,Kadota,Drop fruits or some dry on tree like wood,(kadota),is because the tree makes in the same time on main crop,2 kinds of flower:
Mule Flowers=will become the plumply tasty juicy fruit
Female flower,(pistillate)(no stamen, inside)that needs pollination =the dry fruits that will eventually fall out without male pollen.
This is an anomalously that does not happen to precious good cultivars.
That is why,I would say if you do not live in a climate where the fig wasp is present stay away from this cultivars.
I am sure Pastilliere makes wonderful fruits in Marseilles county,in France,but not here in NJ.
Do not take as a fact what Pierre Baud or Ira Condit,or any other Scientist that grew and evaluated fig cultivars in ideal climates where the fig wasp live,because it is a fact what they say in their climate, not in Korea China ,North east,Russia Sweden etc,where fig tree is grown today.
The area where fig tree is grown today expanded beyond their wildest dreams.
And the internet will expand it even more in the future,as the climate change ,makes the growing of fig tree more atractive to country that experience severe drought in the present,and have a total loss growing corn today.
Fig tree for small plot could be profitable,and it is a drought resistant fruit tree.
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The reason why Pastiliere Celeste,Kadota,Drop fruits or some dry on tree like wood,(kadota),is because the tree makes in the same time on main crop,2 kinds of flower:
Mule Flowers=will become the plumply tasty juicy fruit
Female flower,(pistillate)(no stamen, inside)that needs pollination =the dry fruits that will eventually fall out without male pollen.
This is an anomaly that does not happen to precious good cultivars.
That is why,I would say if you do not live in a climate where the fig wasp is present stay away from these cultivars.
I am sure Pastilliere makes wonderful fruits in Marseilles county,in France,but not here in NJ.
Do not take as a fact what Pierre Baud or Ira Condit,or any other Scientist that grew and evaluated fig cultivars in ideal climates where the fig wasp live,because it is a fact what they say in their climate, not in Korea China ,North east,Russia,Eastern Europe, Sweden etc,where fig tree is grown today.
The area where fig tree is grown today expanded beyond their wildest dreams.
And the internet will expand it even more in the future,as the climate change ,makes the growing of fig tree more attractive to countries that experience severe drought in the present,and have a total loss growing corn today(as an example).
Fig tree for small plot could be profitable,and it is a drought resistant fruit tree.
Yet only growers that plant the right cultivar for their area will be successful.
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Very detail and nice explanation , Thanks Herman...
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I've ever heard that combination of Auxin & Ga3 hormone could help the figs fruit not to drop.


I would be very careful and investigate throughly before spraying plant hormones on fruits, especially some of the synthetic auxins. I believe some are thought to be carcinogenic. That's why these days people are advised to be very careful when handling rooting compounds like Rootone that contain auxins.


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Thats right Gina and i never spray anything on my trees, only thing they get is Mg until figs are near mid size. Im fortunate we dont have bug problem and such hear.
Before i used to fertilize late but not anymore.
I may give 1 weak dose after the trees are spent of fruit as well.
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Ripe =1

Had a ripe Pastiliere this morning and it was truly excellent.
This year the Mulberry flavor was full on my palate and the end came a little seed crunch which i always liked.

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Great looking fig, I purchased a Pastiliere from Pierre Baud in 2010 was a year old at the time that season it had about 2 dozen figs they all droped the following season had a few figs that droped early on after reading that it was a common problem I discarded it.

Hopefully it will stop dropping figs for you martin. My celeste in its 3rd season has dropped all the figs the last 2 seasons and I still have it lol go figure.
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Hey Martin that is a nice looking fig thanks for the photos.Here's my unknown Pastrielle I hope I get this fig to ripen It's the only fig on the tree.I wonder if my plant and your plant are similar?Thank you

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Count Update

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Ripe =1

These 2 i put in the aborted section , they were going to fall off today yet i knew from looks not easily seen in picture there would be dry spots cause of the coloring even though they swelled.

I cut that part out and it tasted like the 1 fully ripe fig i had this season and described in his thread.

Rob i do not know what plant you have but hopefully its not same as mine.

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Got home today after a twelve day road trip and I look at my Pastilleire and it had that dreaded look on it. Couple of the figs were pruning and soft but not ripe.
One is half purple but it's a goner.

What a heart breaker.
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I was thinking about giving Pastilleire a try. I don't think I will though, after reading about all this heart ache.
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Im crazy about mulberry's and when i ate this fig Aug 1st it tasted like i was eating a Illinois everbearing mulberry period 100% .

This fig pictured had to have been one of the best figs on my palate i was floored simply because of that pure mulberry taste it brought to my palate.

I also wanted to pull that tree right from its pot and march it over to the burn can .

The 2 fully ripe figs i have noticed came off one particular branch all others are dropping on the other limbs , there are still more figs on that particular branch that i have marked and will watch to see what it does as im curious .

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Here's my Pastiliere cutting from UCD, started on 6.9.12.  They only sent me the one scion, so I guess it's either in demand, or they only had a few cuttings to give out.  I'm happy it has taken root, and it looks like it will go into dormancy as an established plant.
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Way I see it, few precious fig is worth the effort. They look great, Martin.
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So it looks like I should hold on to my plant and hopefully it is the same as yours Martin.Thank you for the photos.
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Udaman - mine also UcDavis cultivar.

Bullet  - while the fig is top notch on my palate its really not worth it for a few figs in a season  - that is in my yard .   ; )
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Im crazy about mulberry's and when i ate this fig Aug 1st it tasted like i was eating a Illinois everbearing mulberry period 100% .



Forgive the blasphemy which follows.

If you love mulberries so much, have you considered getting a Gerardi Dwarf mulberry? They are supposed to be one of the best tasting mulberries, and they aren't going to be any bigger than your fig tree.
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Quokka , in short no i will not get a mulberry tree here .
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With so many people talking about taking this fig to the trash I just want to say that I would be happy to pay shipping for one of these little guys and give it a second lease on life. P.M me if you are thinking of discarding this variety.
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James,

I'll be glad to send you a cutting when mine gets large enough.  But, I hope you get one sooner than that.
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Thanks for the offer but I'm looking more to save one that is about to be sentenced to the mulch pile. I hope your tree does well for you.
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