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Dieseler
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Kubota types in part - Martin would say there is no such thing. But.... I thought this was a very good fig. In response - there are very good white figs , but very good figs are a dime a dozen if that is what one wants . ; )
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LOL! You got me on that one.
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Actually, I'm with Martin on this one. More and more, I simply don't think there is too much separation between figs, on any given sunny day. So the only top figs that truly matters are the figs that both produce, have large figs (more than 35g and being around 60g or more ideally), and have top quality dessert taste. I think I can list every white common fig that meets these qualifications. CddB (clean strain), Emerald Strawberry (if it's as productive as I think), Galbun, Stella, Drap D'Or, Alma?, so forth. How many non-berry white figs have any sort of real character are out there? With dark figs, well...Plenty of them do better than a berry taste. They do honey, molasses, stronger peach flavors, etc...
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Art, I'm right off the turnpike I gladly take free fruit ;)
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kubota1
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Posted 1377563564
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Travis, Looks like you are about an hour away. You should come by sometime.
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bugs
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Posted 1377563661
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Art, very good looking fig, nice red in side. What are you calling this one? How old is the plant?
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Bugs, I started this from a cutting early last summer. I found it in Koppel, Pa. This one will have ripe fruits from June until frost. Loads of breba and they are good also. Here is a link to the breba. http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/ripe-breba-pic-need-an-id-6412907 For now I will call it Mitticca White Unk. You'll like this one. You will have figs the first year.
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Looks like atreano to me.
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kubota1
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I thought the same. My known Atreano plants haven't produced yet. Some of the leaves on this one have real long finger leaves like RDB.
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Well I hope it is Ateano. That would mean I can look forward to this one. goss
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Boris
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It does not resemble Atreano at all. Atreano are roundish figs, these are pear shaped. Also Atreano has different leaves and the fruit is more yellowish when ripe. I just have a big bush loaded with fruits ripening right now, so the difference is evident for me.
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Art If you have the wasp i think i may know what is it..
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Posted 1377859757
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with the miserable weather this yr, only figs that stood out for me was Paradiso Gene. even my VdB was lacking this yr. i'm hoping Kathleen's Black will do better, but unlike last yr, towards just being ripen, they are blowing up. White Greek has potential. so... in my backyard, white figs are dominating my taste bud this yr. of course, this might change once Black Madeira and Figo Preto get on with programe and ripen already. then again, CdDB is on its way to being ripen also...
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Posted 1382464864
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Art, IMO, Conadria EL resembles your unknown. The fig turned a pale yellow when it started swelling, then changed to a darker green when approaching ripeness. note the attached pictures. The flesh was also stained red. The tree was started from a cutting in late Winter 2012, and was frozen solid earlier this year (past Winter), so it leafed out late. .
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A very nice fig... Stella. Currentlyl available here:https://www.onegreenworld.com/Fig/Stella8482/522/
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Posted 1382471925
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Very nice, tasty figs, thanks for sharing. Best, Tam
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Posted 1382472644
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George, You think it's Stella? Art has another thread where he shows a few figs that he picked same day, and shows side by side in pics. One of those is Stella, and another is this Unknown. They don't look the same. Here's a link to that other thread: http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/vasilika-sika-stella-and-others-6583480 (or maybe you were just commenting that Stella is another very nice fig?). Pete, I'm not thinking it's Conadria. At least, if it is, then it's a pretty different version of Conadria from the one I have. I do see the resemblance to the one you posted though. (Looking at the varieties pages, it looks like there might be different kinds called Conadria). Art, I've got those same Corelle plates you've got. Mike central NY state, zone 5a
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Posted 1382474250
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@Mike I do have some id resemblance/questions between Stella and Vasilika Sika... @Tam Thank you, thank you and more "thanks", re you comment: "thanks for sharing". Quite recently, more than a baker's dozen times, I clicked on a new post, only to see "thanks". Are you by any chance trying to build-up your post-count?
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Posted 1382476727
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Art, Nice fig, no doubt it will be a keeper... see this..there may answers to some questions its shape made me look for a Greek white.http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/vasilika-sika-4903112 Francisco
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@ascpete Here is a pic of my Conadria fig leaf. And to my best recollection; the fruit was small/medium sized, skin was of a pale green/yellowish color, and pulp was amber? (not red).
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ascpete
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Posted 1382478639
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George, Thanks, They seem to match my Conadria EL leaves also. There are descriptions of pulp ranging from amber to strawberry in color The Stella leaves are more Brunswick like, but the figs are much more elongated. When fig trees are fertilized (over fertilized) they sometimes produce elongated, more defined and increased lobed leaves along with increased inter node spacing. That's one of my reasons for the Conadria guess. Attached is my Stella Leaf picture, it doesn't produce broad leaves like in the last picture in the Opening Post. . Mike, Jon V. mentions that there is at least 2 different Conadria cultivars in the varieties pages (early and late). There are probably more than 2 based on the origination and the length of time in circulation. My Conadria was purchased from Edible Landscaping as a rooted cutting in May 2012. I do not know their actual source, but they have trees growing on site.
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On the topic of white figs with the slender, defined VdB-like lobes, is anyone growing Dalmatie ? I've read that that it's cold-hardy, but it's apparently also often confused with Dalmatian (which is a synonym for Brunswick?), so I'm confused a to IDing the real thing. It seems a real Dalmatie also has the long, slender lobes like VdB and Brunswick, but has a green fruit that turns quite yellow when ripe. Is that accurate? Thanks! P.S. The only white fig I grow is SC Lemon--which has a very light flesh, but I'm absolutely enthralled with these wonderful pics of green fruit with blood-red flesh. They look so delicious!
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Posted 1382481311
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I thought the fig looked like a CCDB, shape size and color, but not sure about the leaves. Anyway, glad you have a good one. As I see it a good white fig is equal to any descriptions of a Martin's dark
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Posted 1382481636
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@Art The leaves are very "finger-like". @Pete Yes, UCD has 2 Conadria figs; DFIC 05 and DFIC 50. Not sure what the difference (if any?) is between them. I only have a (back-traced) DFIC 05 specimen.
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Gorgi, It has two leaf patterns, long finger like and one not so much.
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kubota1
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Posted 1382483841
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Pete, Does your Conadria have a breba crop? This one has loads of breba.http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/ripe-breba-pic-need-an-id-6412907
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ascpete
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Art, No breba crop this spring due to the 1 year old plants being out in 15 degree weather and frozen solid in their 5 gallon buckets this past winter, then pruned from a single stem to a potted tree form this spring. All the figs (about 6 dozen) this season formed on new growth. I may be able to answer your breba question next year, due to over 20 feet of new linear growth and possible breba formation on the tips. BTW, I only had one or two leaves that had skinny finger like lobes early in the season.
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Here's a link to one of the "more info" pages on the three (count 'em, three) versions of Conadria that Jon has listed in his Varieties pages. http://figs4fun.com/Info/Info_Conadria.html A relevant quote from that page: Quote:
Originally Posted by Conadria More Info page Vigorous and precocious tree produces a good breba crop and a very good second crop.
There's a bunch more info there that may be helpful. So maybe I'm coming around on this hypothesis put forth by Pete, of Conadria as the ID. Seeing those leaf pictures you posted in your ripe-breba-pic-need-an-ID thread Art, they look more like Conadria leaves than the deeper cut ones do, that you posted in this thread. Did you fertilize this tree fairly heavily? (Pete was mentioning how that can elongate leaves). The leaves on my Conadria look more like in the photo that Gorgi posted. Here's a couple of pics of them (attached below). Also, looking closely at the fruit itself, it does resemble Conadria, though I haven't seen other specimens of Conadria as wrinkled as the ones in your pics Art. But the color and flesh texture look similar. I'm not seeing as much void in the center in your pics as I do in the pics on Jon's varieties photos page (that could be variation I guess). Flavor description sounds possible. What are you thinking? Mike central NY state, zone 5a <<edit: p.s. the eye description and appearance are similar too. >>
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Art, am I missing something or is the history of this interesting fig more uncertain than you mentioned in this post: figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/vasilika-sika-stella-and-others-6583480
You said that the fig source thought it was from Italy? Wouldn't that make Conadria pretty unlikely? If it looks like a descendant of Adriatic (which Conadria is) maybe yours is also related but bred on the other side of the pond, so to speak. And if it was planted by an immegrant from years ago, what is the likelihood he planted a Conadria rather than a variety from the old country? Just my inexperienced 2 cents worth...I enjoy the histories and mysteries of these fig immegrants.
Hope you can find out more about it!
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Excellent points Ed. (And in addition to improbability of locale, does later than 1955 count as "years ago"?). So Art, I'll second Ed's request to hear more about the history if it's possible to find out anything more. (That's a fun part of it all, regardless of ID anyway). Ed, I've wondered also about whether similar crosses (to the one that Ira Condit did around 1955) have occurred spontaneously elsewhere. Both of the parent figs (or ones very similar) for this cross might have existed around Italy for some time. Maybe? Mike
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http://figs4fun.com/Info/Info_Conadria.html The above link has some info on Conadria. It is descended from Adriatic, an Italian variety, and a caprifig from California. Jon has some pictures of Conadria leaves under the 'more photos' tab.
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Ed, yep... that page was linked just four posts above yours (see post #31 in this thread). It is good info, which Jon assembled from multiple sources (with attributions). I also like the quote from it that says: "Travellers (sic) remark on the big, juicy golden figs of southern Italy... Conadria brings those memories to life in your garden." (The paragraph containing that line apparently came from Paradise Nursery, presumably back when Sybil and Rob ran it rather than current proprietors). But lots of good info on that page. Art, just to avoid obscuring the request above, I'll copy it again in this post so it isnt lost: If you ever see a way to get more of the history of this one, it'd be interesting to hear. Mike
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Mike, I visited Mr. and Mrs. Mittica today. I asked them about their tree and their reply was it was from Italy. They said that they and their relative in Pittsburgh are from Reggio Calabria. They believe that is where it is from. Their relative visits home often. So, really it's all speculation. I will have to try to get in touch with the person in Pittsburgh.
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Thanks Art. (Hope I wasn't being pushy or putting you out asking for more info). In any case, thanks for giving it a go. It's all just kind of for the fun of it, so temper the amount of effort. You've found a couple of good ones though, and with interesting good stories behind them. (And who'd ever have thought you'd find great fig histories around Pittsburgh PA ??!!!). Mike
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I see mention of that in various writeups (the yellow upon ripening). Nelson's pics look like maybe his turned a bit yellow too. On mine, it was just the merest hint of yellow (this was my first year for fruit from Conadria and I only got two ripe figs), but there definitely was some yellow even if just a small amount. I did see the color get noticeably lighter as it ripened though, just the boundary between light green and yellow gets kinda blurred. I posted pics of my Conadria this year over in Nelson's thread earlier this month: http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/conadria-6549147 (Pete has some photos of his there too, I think the same ones he posted above). In the photos there it looks yellower than I remember it seeming to my eyes. I'm still thinking along the lines that this could be a southern Italy (e.g. Calabria) variety that occurred naturally, possibly with parentage similar to the intentional cross that Condit and company did for Conadria. Whether it has a name over there that's already established, tough to know. I hear about lots of varieties from there that I've never seen, so who knows? Whatever it is, it seems like an interesting fig. That characteristic of good taste coupled with very good productivity (both breba and main crop), with a long period of near continual harvesting, sounds like good characteristics for small scale hobbyists like me. The fact that it's got a story behind it that connects it with Calabria... well that just increases my interest. :-) Mike central NY state, zone 5a
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ConAdria - was bred by Ira Condit in California, USA. The first 3 letters stand for his name. The last 5 letters stand for an Adriatic fig he bred it from.
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kubota1
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Posted 1382574548
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Steve, That looks pretty similar. The only thing that my fig is lacking from the Conadria is the yellow. Mike, You'll like this one. I think I have the exact same fig, but from another source. I found this one about an hour away in another county. It also is sourced from Pittsburgh, Pa.http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/anybody-recognize-these-leaves-6080370 I had one ripe fig from it this year and I think it is the same. I didn't take a picture. Wish I had.
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I don't know Art... none of the photos that I've seen of Conadria have that deep purplish outer pulp coloration (I'm sure I haven't seen every Conadria photo though :-) ). But given the full collection of info above in this thread, my thinking is that your Mittica White Unk is probably not actually a Conadria, but likely some naturally occurring cultivar from Italy that has parentage similar to the two figs that Condit crossed when he bred Conadria. Whether it has some established name back in the old country or not, I don't know. Anyway, that's what I'm thinking. It sure does look like an interesting fig, whatever it is! I'd suggest continue referring to it as Mittica White Unknown (seems too many strikes against it being exactly a match for Conadria... the skin color upon ripening, the outer pulp coloration that you point out, and the timeline/story that (in order for it to be traceable to Conadria) would have to have had it brought from U.S. to Italy after 1956 or so, established there, and then brought back to U.S. by the family that traces it to you. Also the leaf questions.). Sure is a neat sounding fig though... the Mittica White Unkown! You're starting to build up a set of these that you've found stories on, coming from Italy. Very cool. Mike central NY state, zone 5a
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I went back into my e-Bay "purchased list" and found that the Conadria cuttings I received from Encanto Farms were identified as "Late". Maybe this might help us solve this mystery in the future.
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Well here are the last few of my Mittica Unk. Picked today 12-11-13 These were ripened in my greenhouse. It was a high of 21 outside and tomorrow is only going to get to 17. Surprisingly they weren't bad for a fig that ripened in horrible temps.
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Any updates on this, or still going with Mittica Unk? Only reason I ask is I live due west of you in Ohio, so anything that performs well in our 6a zone is naturally going to acquire the attention of my fig obsession. These local unknowns are really cool, and it'd be nice to see them become official or something, established known cultivars maybe!
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I am interested in hearing results on this fig from those that grow only in pots ..?
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Originally Posted by luteo Any updates on this, or still going with Mittica Unk? Only reason I ask is I live due west of you in Ohio, so anything that performs well in our 6a zone is naturally going to acquire the attention of my fig obsession. These local unknowns are really cool, and it'd be nice to see them become official or something, established known cultivars maybe!
It's a reliable producer. The figs that I thought were most similar are Lyndhurst White & Troiano Calabrese.
Though similar, they aren't the same. I'm still calling it Mittica Unk.
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Originally Posted by baust55 I am interested in hearing results on this fig from those that grow only in pots ..?
My plants are grown in containers.
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