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I have a gnat problem. They love my fig cutting practicing almost as much as I do. Two days ago I put bright-yellow sticky traps where their main Gnat Headquarters is located. I tried poking holes into a container's lid and filling it half with white vinegar, after a month it showed about 80 of 300 gnats fell for it. Please share any advice about getting rid of gnats.
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I learned the hard way. I only water from the bottom using Gnatrol. I put out sticky traps
and I have twelve carnivorous plants.
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I tried the wine/vinegar in a container method but it didn't work at all for me last winter.  The fruit flies like it, but not fungus gnats.
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Jonathan....I had gnat problems last year and they pretty much disappeared.....I have daddy long leg spiders that snuck into my home....but I don't kill them, I let them make a few webs by the bright windows....so I am about 99pct free of gnats around my little cuttings.  So go outside and get a few small spiders.   Maybe You can get a 25 watt bulb with a casing around it and hang it outside...letting spiders make webs around it and then bring inside and turn on at night.
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Just an Update....killed a gnat.... so make it 100pct Gnat free....LOL
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carnivorous plants, there are a couple threads about them on the forum, work great
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I love my hanging pitcher plants, they do seem to get the gnats on this floor, maybe i should move one to the basement... the BT seemed to work for a bit and the nematodes also worked for awhile but they just seem tot keep coming back!!
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One word ...Nematodes! Recommended by a forum member in another thread, I used these over a month ago and my gnat problem has been eradicated in one treatment. I'll never use anything else again. http://www.arbico-organics.com/product/nemattack-nematodes-feltiae/266
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I wonder if my nematodes were good, I have never had them fail me before... need to look at what is left under a microscope...
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I wonder if my nematodes were good, I have never had them fail me before... need to look at what is left under a microscope...


I didn't think mine would be good because I kept them 2 weeks longer (refrigerated, of course) than I should have. Apparently, they last longer than they state.

I believe the real key is keeping the soil moist for the 2 weeks following treatment. I'm so happy to be off the gnat battleground this season. Now I can just enjoy my houseplants instead of having constant frustration.

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Wow armando93223, I always thought daddy long leg spiders looked scary, but I would try that organic method if I had any daddy long legs. I haven't tried nematodes, it sound like a good suggestion. I have seen them for sale at amazon.com
Has anyone ever used homemade lye soap suds spray against gnats?

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So just like there's Chocolate and Cinnamon Babka, there's bad and good nematodes. I honestly didn't know that. Thanks.
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I gave up on rooting in the winter, i cannot stand these creatures, they ate so many of my special cuttings... In the Spring, outside, they seem to grow better. So, now I will wait until weather is better. i have a large 5 gallon clear bottle ( comes with water) cut the bottom off and use it over the cuttings. it works great and if gnats are out there, they find their predators.  i wish you luck, the spider sounds good. I had a pet one by my window, got really fat and is gone now.
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Will the gnats affect the 3 gal figs too or they are mostly a danger to cups and 1 gals?

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Anywhere there are freshly grown roots. Freshly rooted cuttings are hit a bit worst because all their roots are all fresh.
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What do the gnats look like and what damage do they cause?
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No damage just very annoying. Especially when you breath in or eat some each day. I am just wanting them to vanish 100%. They are tiny bugs that can fly up anyone's nose in a blink of an eye. Here are some pictures I just took.

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One thing I did last year that seemed to work better than doing nothing was I put a coffee filter around the bottom of the cups or small pots and held it with a couple elastics (since they WILL find there way in through the drainage holes) and then I put about 1" of sand on the top. I do this right away so they can't get a chance to get established in the cups.
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Oh - thanks for the pix. I do have some of those. About no damage, tho, someone posted that they had lost cuttings to gnats, so I'm curious about that part.
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each adult gnat lays something like 300 eggs and in 14 days all over again, these are the hungrier babies ever, they are tiny and crawl under the new bark, and eat the cuttings from inside out , they are awful... get rid of them asap.
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tyler, I did an experiment with some summer cuttings this year similar to what you're talking about. Instead of wrapping the filter around the cup, I cut the filter to fit in the cup covering the drainage holes. I then poured about an inch of sand in the cup to hold the filter in place. I added my planting mix and planted the cuttings and then added about 1 inch of sand on top. I found no evidence of gnats in those cups while there were plenty of them flying around and in other cups without the sand. I also used permethrin in my first watering in case there were eggs in the soil mix.
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That sounds even better Gene... thanks for the tip!

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Thanks for sharing. 

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I just need to underscore what Grasa said explicitly and what other posters alluded to.  Fungus gnats MOST DEFINITELY CAUSE DAMAGE.
Since this might be the first of many "fungus gnat" posts of the season, it is important to establish that right away. 
As a nubie last year, I went through the first half of the winter season thinking they were just a bother...when in reality they are the DEVIL'S SPAWN and are EVIL INCARNATE.  (OK, they don't mean to cause damage...they just do!)
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I noticed that I have fewer gnats in the area where basil grows. I searched for other plants that gnats do not like and found this (link: http://naturehacks.com/gardening-and-plants/how-to-naturally-repel-gnats/ ):

This tip can help repel gnats and beautify your yard at the same time. There are certain plants that gnats just absolutely hate. When strategically placed around your yard, you can insure fewer pests. Lavender is a beautiful, aromatic plant with a myriad of uses. Humans love it, gnats, not so much. The added bonus is that not only will you repel the gnats in your yard, but you can use lavender for cooking, decorating and aromatherapy uses. Another lovely plant that the bugs will hate is lemon balm. This plant has a lovely scent that will be a great addition to any garden. One of the most aesthetically pleasing, bug repelling plants is the scented geranium. These repel gnats best growing in hanging planters along your porch or patio.

Anybody can confirm or deny the repelling usefulness of the plants above?



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I found this posting very helpful
http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/hydrogen-peroxide-4617842?highlight=hydrogen+peroxide

 You can have what seems like a great cutting, plenty of roots rocking right a long and then you notice it hasn't proceeded or all the leaves go limp and fall off.... you finally take a look and there they are nasty looking clearish black headed little creepy fig killers..

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Thanks for the links. At this moment I don't have any hydrogen peroxide or any diatomaceous earth, but I like the 3% HP idea. I try to be at least 99.9% Organic with my fig trees and cuttings. I wander if dried basil herb from my kitchen spread around the cuttings would help with the gnats. I looked at my rooting cuttings today and noticed lots of dead gnats around the trays. Strange, I didn't spray or put anything new. I think it was my portable heater. I set the thermostat to 86 degrees. Anyway, I set it at the same temperature so lets see. I will post my results. Meanwhile I haven't ordered nematodes yet. Does anyone know how to store them or how long a time will they store alive?
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Put an inch of gritty sand at the top of the pot/cups to keep them from laying eggs there, misquito dunks to kill what's there and lightly water from the bottem. They WILL kill your figs if you can't controll them. The nematods are the way to go but I think they can be costly, but then again so can some cuttings. Good luck, keep us posted.
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One other good cure is "Knock-Out-Gnats" from Gardens Alive:

http://www.gardensalive.com/knock-out-gnats-granules/p/3440/

Acting ingredient: Bacillus thuringiensis (Bt/H-14)

The gnats we are talking about here are them nasty 'Fungus Gnats',
which almost always find their way into growing indoor/greenhouse plants.

With outside plants; the wind mostly just blows them adults away and
any infestation slowly dies away too.

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Has anyone here tried cinnamon and/or chamomile tea? Looks like those get mentioned quite a bit on the 'net for controlling fungus gnats.
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think sombody used somthing like that this last winter Robert, but if memory serves they ended up doing misquito dunks. i lost a few cuttings last winter myself the ones that made it were the ones i up potted to gal size pots as soon as there was enough roots. i then fed those from the bottem with root stimulator while netting the top of the soil off with dryer sheets. the ones i had in cups, well most of them didnt make it.
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however George makes a point about outside plants and gnats. my green house plants havent had gnats but i keep the doors open so it dont get to hot and there is a constant breese. maybe putting a fan by the cuttings will help. not only by drying the soil making it less likly to be targeted but by blowing adults away from thier LZ. worth a shot i guess.
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Thanks, Dave. I'm gonna try cheap and easy first since I have cinnamon and chamomile already in the house. The dryer sheets is a great idea.
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Ditto to post#13.
Learned some years ago they are a real pita as i lost some sought after scionwood that were rooted.
No more indoor rooting period.
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A (couple of) remark(s):

Controlling 'indoor' fungus gnats larvae (the real damage-makers) is different from controlling them (just-annoying) reproducing adults.

Best attack on the larvae is some form of a BT (including water soaked with mosquito-dunks).
This works by somehow making them loose appetite and they then starve to death...

Best attack on the adults is using some sticky tape (including cheap fly-paper - 4 for a buck from some supermarkets)
and/or using safe cheap insecticidal soap; very easy to do oneself - just google how-to for many recipe/hits.
Glue just makes them immobile, while soap-film stops them from absorbing O2 from the air and suffocate.

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We are in mutual agreement here ...
Gnatrol is just another trade marked BT (Bacillus thuringiensis) larvicide.

Funny who you almost swallowed an annoying adult (protein?) fungus gnat.

I actually inhaled one through my nose while sleeping!!
I had noticed it lurking around my reading lamp and above my face earlier.
Yeah, b/c of its wings fluttering/tickling sensation, I did wake me up and
it ended up being squashed and soon blown out again...

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Quote:
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I found a adult fungus gnat at the bottom of my coffee cup.
After I drank the whole cup.

Then it was time for help.

I use Gnatrol.

It can be found on ebay.
It does work, and no more extra flavoring at the bottom of my morning coffee.

Don't give up on rooting because of gnats, they can be controlled.

Doug


Doug,
Do you treat your coffee with Gnatrol too ??? :D

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LOL about the coffee. Nope the gnats don't mind a heated temperature room. The gnats that died must have all been old and died at the same time. A new crew just emerged out of the soil and back to gnat mayhem. I like the reviews of using "knock-out Gnats". Also just sprinkling granules onto the soil and not worrying about my product being dead (nematodes) is awesome.
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A few drops of liquid soap in a gallon container used to water your plants kills the larvae in the soil. Also seems to destroy the eggs. My family has always used this method and it works without fail.
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Hi,

I had serious gnat and larvae problem previously on a newly rooted Deanna.

Everytime I watered could see the wriggling larvae with their transparent body and black head.  There were probably attacking the new roots too.

Used diluted H2O2 2-3X to water, and let the soil/media dry well before each watering.  Resist temptation to overwater...

After that no more larvae nor gnats.  The plant is doing fine now and growing to a few feet tall.

So diluted H2O2 did not seen to affect the roots, only the larvae......could hear the sizzling sound as the H2O2 decomposed.

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Wow. This is my first year and I could not believe how many gnats invaded the citrus and figs indoors. I took the advice on here and got a huge bag of sand at lowes for $3.50. Best money I have ever spent. No more gnats! Thanks for the great advice. FYI I did use an insecticidal soap which was only 5 bucks and killed on contact but was unable to completely remove them with that method.
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We tried the hydrogen peroxide which helped, but regular treatments of gnatrol was what did it.  We are going to put our  rootings later this season and top with sand.
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I saw  video, the person put gardening fabric on top of the soil and top it with sand. I thought it was a neat idea, but I cannot locate that video... perhaps that would help also. 
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I just ordered this bti gnatcontrol off of ebay said its a larvicide that is organic. Good price as well less than 10 bucks for enough to mix 31 gal
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I admit I am a newbie to figs but I've done work with other scion. I have never had a gnat problem so I am not even sure what y'all are talking about. I always dip my scion in 10% bleach solution and then let it dry on the scion before I refrigerate them for storage. I use sterile potting medium or green sphagnum moss. No damping-off or gnats. Is this too simplistic? I guess I'm not bringing too many plants into my house but instead into the garage.
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Fungus gnats are basicly fruit flies. They lay eggs in moist soil and it the larva that eat the roots and kill plants. Lost more than 50 cuttings last winter. I almost gave up. But I can't give up. I sell fig trees on ebay and donate to charities with the money so I have to keep things going.
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I was like you MG, with everything I had grown and all the plants I have in my house i never had a fungus gnat problem till  I started rooting figs... they are somewhat like fruit flies but are black and move in a jerky scurry when not flying. 
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