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Hi all,
I'm hoping to find a cutting or two of Nordland  (Nordland Bergfeige).  I'm willing to pay a reasonable price plus postage.  I've already tried all of the nurseries that I know of that used to have it (e.g. Raintree, but they don't have it any longer).  If any of you has a cutting or two that you'd sell or trade, please email me.  (PM's won't work for me... that inbox is always full, so please use the link to email me instead).  I do have a few varieties I could trade if you'd prefer that.  Thanks.

Mike   central NY state, zone 5a
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Nordland Bergfeige is German for Northland Mountain Fig. I would doubt that it is a real variety. Over here in Germany Nordland is often used for unknown figs to suggest hardiness.
Also no of the nurseries here I know sell those figs.
Please tell someone if I am wrong.
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Christian:

Nordland is a delicious variety here in the US. It was sold out at a nursery on the west coast last year.
Perhaps it will come back in one or two seasons.
Below are photos of one of the figs it produced for me this past summer.

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Thank you Sas for that information! Maybe Nordland is not the same in the U.S. as it is in Europe...?
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Hey Michael,
My email on f4f never operates well so look to see if you still have my personal email. I couldn't find yours. I've been very active collecting the cold hardy varieties this year. Some of my x-neighbors and friends have farms in zone 5/6 and I'm trying to help them acquire figs to try. The mountains of SW Virginia get very cold in winter. I used to move my figs to our root cellar/basement in winter - then to the hoop house but certainly figs more suited to the cold would have a much better chance of long term viability.
Along with the various hard to find varieties I'm also looking for any fig that is considered cold hardy. The perfect fig would be an early ripening, super cold hardy fig that produces all year long and waters and feeds itself. Of course if one can be found that would also feed the chickens and geese, etc. all the better.
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Hi Michael.  Thanks for posting.  I sent you an email  (still have your address).  I'm endwell3613 at live dot com.

Mike   central NY state, zone 5a
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I am also seeking Nordland. I will pay for cuttings or trade.
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Nordland fig (nordland feige) is a very cold hardy varietie,of a big brown fig,sweet and productive,originated from Switzerland.Mine, comes to me 5 years ago, from a small nurserie in Dombresson,near Neuchatel(Switzerland)-"Nordland feige".
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marius, 

that looks very similar to Niagara Black.. does Nordland drip honey from the eye? 
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Yes,Pete,drips honey....Niagara black is half in size,taste,sweetnesses.....everything....
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i can see why some will want this fig if this is twice better than Niagara Black. Niagara Black was very good this yr, and i rooted summer of 2012. 
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If memory serves I seem to remember reading that Nordland is very similar (possibly identical?) to Longue d'Aout.  Has anyone compared the performance of these two in colder areas?  My LdA has some fmv so if Nordland is fmv symptom-free that would be a plus.
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Thanks for posting, Marius.  I hadn't seen you in a while!  Glad to have the info.   Hoping to find the variety too  :-)

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Marius,
how cold hardy is Northland fig?Is this fig more hardy rhen Vasile Florea,thank you.Ciao,
Giuseppe
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Nordland is hardy up to 5 or 7 Fahr.Florea is up to 0 Fahr.
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Any ideas on hardiness levels of Danny's Delight and Sal's El?
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Danny's delite is -5 Fahr.Sal's El...maybe 7 Fahr......(results from my back yard).
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Marius,

-5F  for  Danny's Delight. Is that the most Cold Hardy in your results?  It just moved up a few positions on my list of desire.
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had to put Nordland on the wish list..
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***** and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...*****
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Danny's Delite,if I remember ok,was discovered somewhere in northern Michigan,by a guy...with the same name...Danny.It was his favorite fig,and voila...Danny's Delite.In my back yard survives 4 winters,in an open area,unprotected,taste like cardboard,watery...I'll give him a 5.
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Thanks,
I know at least some years it scored well on taste for R. Harper per his posts for Cold Hardy figs .  Right now even watery cardboard would be okay. I recently was eating some that have been in garage storage for several weeks. My mind over matter attempt did not work they still did not make grade not matter how great the image I was visualizing.
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garage store trees, for whatever reason, doesn't ripen figs right. not sure why that is. maybe lack of fresh air and sun? i would think that green house won't be much different. but i guess i'm wrong. had a one good fig. not sure which on that was. but rest of them tasted rather bad. CdDB which was great outdoor tasted like crap ripening in the garage.
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"don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill
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***** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. *****
***** and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...*****
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Pete,

Without proper light to develop the sugars and no heat I don't expect any taste from them. If I  did a BRIX on them I doubt the sugars would even make double digit. When I was a kid and forced to eat things I hated I tried to imagine the food being something I liked. worked kind of on some things but never could overcome things like sauerkraut.  Nobody forcing me to eat these beyond self-inflicted addiction. I about to pull them off I am sure even the attempt to ripen zapping energy from the plant and maybe keeping from a good dormancy.
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Originally Posted by mnedelcu
Yes,Pete,drips honey....Niagara black is half in size,taste,sweetnesses.....everything....


Too much mis-information out there .
Nobody out there has a mature Niagara Black tree , other than myself .
Many cuttings and first year suckers were distributed last fall , so at best 1 year old trees.
Niagara black averages 55-60 grams . Its not half the size of Nordland unless Nordland is 120 grams , but from the photos it looks around 50 or less.
I have had very positive feedback from those skilled or lucky  enough to get fruit on first year plants .
As we all know it takes a while for a tree to reach maturity , so i can't imagine how the above conclusions were reached .
Also i see a lot of similarities between Nordland , Niagara Black , and Longue D'out . They may all be related or the same even . ( thanks to Leon for pointing it out )
You have yourself a great looking variety Marius  and I enjoy your pics , but its a bit premature to make such judgements .

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I have an idea....  

Marius.  You send me Nordland.  John.  You send me Niagra Black.  I will grow them at the same time from cuttings and I will help us all decide.  Sound like a Plan?
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i do have LdA and NB. both young. so things might change in future, but as of now in my area, they are not the same. NB produced better fig. LdA has great potential. NB ripen in night temp around 30 with full flavor. jammy and filled with nactar.
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***** and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...*****
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Good job Marius! Those figs look amazing! Keep up the good work!
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Pete ,

Thanks for the comparison between NB and LDA . I don't have LDA and am looking for info from those out there that do .

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I am looking forward to trying these all these guys and comparing.

Is the Niagra Black mother tree extremely old? I wonder if it's old enough it possibly just adapted to cooler weather ripening up there even if genetically these are all similar?

Guess it makes sense NIAGRA black made good figs in niagra-esque weather for Pete :D. Looking forward to more awesome reports in coming seasons. Thanks everyone--all these got nice leaves too. Critters ate 3.75 of my 4 nordland figs in ground this year, guess what that tiny bite of a nordland fig they left me while being young and everything--was great--you couldn't guess it was from a young plant. Seems like it's going to be a good one as reported. I'd like to have a big bowl of each of these and see what's what.
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i wonder about the tree adapting to the environment. giovanni's Paradiso in PA doesn't get frost damage any more i heard. first few yrs, it died down to ground, but now it's unprotected in PA winter without damage. i know older trees will take cold better. does that mean there is some genetic mutation that helps tree to survive in cold weather better? or the tree's mass and growth has reached certain point where the freezing weather just won't damage it much... if it's genetic mutation, then it will be a different tree and cutting from the tree's new growth will be better suited to colder weather. but if it's just bigger tree handling cold weather better, new cutting will have to go through the same die back year after year. 
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"don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill
"the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher

***** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. *****
***** and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...*****
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Pete,

This guy on you tube says that the fig tree must be protected in Switzerland in the valley of the Alps Region for the first few years until the trunk is thicker than 5 cm. At that point despite some parts of the tree dying, the tree has a much better chance to survive. Small plants do not have any chance to survive unprotected during the winter.
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thanks sas. i guess that means it's just physical change. older trees having better chance of surviving the winter. 
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"don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill
"the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher

***** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. *****
***** and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...*****
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