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bullet08

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Posted 1398354398	Reply with quote #1

so.. Noir de Spain which i got from burnt ridge is doing well. it's putting on the leaves and showing good progress. i had bunch of mulberry cuttings from USDA/UCD this yr. i think they are... Paradise Kokuso Kangwon IL Everbearing Beautiful day Black mulberry i put them into cup with 1;1 perlite and seedling soil. i didn't use peat pot, and i used clonex. i scored and scraped the bottom end of the cuttings, and dipped them directly into the clonex bottle for good coating. i started rooting last weekend, 4/19. so far no sign of roots. but i should give them at least 2 weeks. but the troubling thing is.. it's opening bud again. way i see it, once it start to open the bud, the energy will go to putting on the leaves and little will go to the root. __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

WillsC

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Posted 1398355272	Reply with quote #2

Pete, That is normal.....many times when you have a mulberry cutting it will actually produce a flower before roots or even leaves...it is a survival response trying to make seeds as it knows it is under stress.

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Posted 1398357386	Reply with quote #3

wills, i know and that's what's bothering me. last yr, i had good cuttings. they all leaf out and was doing fine. then all died. problem was, no roots. this yr, i'm using clonex in hope that will promote roots and keep them alive longer. i'll be keeping them in humidity bin even longer until i see some sign of roots or they start to mold and die. i'm thinking about using cloning/propagation machine next. but i think they work better with green cuttings. __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

Sas

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Posted 1398360087	Reply with quote #4

Except for one, all my mulberry cuttings from last year died. Good luck using your new method. __________________ Sas from North Austin TX Zone 8B Wish list: Becane

strudeldog

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Pete,

I ordered some of those same ones, if I ever get my USDA order I had Kokuso No. 20 , Beautiful Day, Phil's White, Kangwon No. 3, Oscars, Black Mulberry and Shah Tut on it, Assuming it comes at some time I guess I will have to root, think my window to graft has passed by. I have failed rooting Beautiful Day, Phil's White, Black Mulberry and some others prior. I got one Kokuso to root last year. The ones I had good success rooting from USDA are Shangri La and Middleton on years prior.

My inground mulbery got hit by the late cold last week. Girardi Dwarf was loaded with fruit, and got hit but it will bounce back with foilage not sure about more fruit this year. I actually pulled out potted up in the garage, the ones I had just set out this spring the night prior the freeze, then set them back out a couple days later. My Pakistan was dead from the winter's low already. It's grafted and so I am sure it's gone, nothing from below soil would be Pakistan. My Black Beauty got hit by winters lows much harder than I initially thought, but it was coming back low to ground, but that got nailed last week, so not sure now.

WillsC,

Stress will cause fruit to try and reproduce, but I think the fruit blooms on Mulberry are fruit buds that developed prior to the cutting ever being taken as opposed to stress related. I can't imagine the fruiting bud developing after the cutting was taken, but I always pinch them off as soon as I can ID as bloom not leaf.
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Posted 1398361810	Reply with quote #6

oh yeah.. Shangri La is also being rooted. __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

Figfinatic

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Posted 1398406061	Reply with quote #7

At first, I had 0 success. Every cutting leafed out with berries and then died no roots. After trying all sorts of ways, I've figured out how to increase the chances. I score the cuttings, brush on Clonex, and then stick them in the Flora root plugs. I put multiple ones in a gallon ziplock bag, seal it and set it next to a window. I just leave them there sealed until they root. The only reason to open the bag is to cut off the berries. It does get hot in the bag when the sun hits it. It must get around 100 degrees. The only way I figured this out is that I went on a 6 week trip and had no choice but leave them there. Didn't realize they would get any sunlight until I observed it when I came back. They all had nice roots after that. Now I have Pakistan, Shangrila and Oscar to add to the jungle. __________________ Wish: Sbayi, passiflora incense, quadrangularis or others

Grasa

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Posted 1398408878	Reply with quote #8

Dug, that is so good to hear! I rooted mine last year like I do with figs.. well, like my figs, I ended up with just one growing. it had beautiful branching, but it got too cold and it is starting the process of branching again, believe it is an Illinois. I got more cuttings this year, but need to learn more to improve my chances. I have a couple I got from Richard Watts and those are neither dead or alive. I have them in potting soil mix inside of a soda pop mini greenhouse. on warmer days, I put the bottle out there under the tomato plants in my cold frame, but bring it inside every night. It is just a stick showing a few bumps, so, they may turn into roots...but it has been more than two months.. . I read somewhere that they need cool top and warm bottoms, so, using a heating matt outdoors? Not sure how to make the top cool and bottom warm. __________________ Grasa Seattle, WA

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Posted 1398428726	Reply with quote #9

that's good to hear. i hope mine will show the same progress. it was very disappointing last yr that i lost all the mulberry cuttings. i hope i see better progress this yr. i figured scraping and scoring and clonex might give it a better chance. all staying in the humidity dome until they show roots. once i have roots, i'm sure others will work out.. __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

brackishfigger

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Posted 1398441712	Reply with quote #10

I took dormant cuttings of the Shangrila specimens at the LSU orchard this winter and scored, hormoned, and stuck in pots in early spring. They have leafed out well, and I removed all berries. I pulled one up the other day and was surprised to see no roots. As the weather heats up, I am worried they will fail. Reading the above, I'll cover several with zip lock or dry cleaner bag tents to improve my odds.

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Posted 1398443416	Reply with quote #11

how long did you store it? did you try hot bath? I couldn't process it right away, so i gave all the cuttings hot water bath before rooting. not sure how it will work out, but fig cuttings seem to love hot water bath. Hope mulberry cuttings enjoyed it too. __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

brackishfigger

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Posted 1398448753	Reply with quote #12

Quote: Originally Posted by bullet08 how long did you store it? did you try hot bath? I couldn't process it right away, so i gave all the cuttings hot water bath before rooting. not sure how it will work out, but fig cuttings seem to love hot water bath. Hope mulberry cuttings enjoyed it too. Yoo Tawkin to me? I did not store them at all, just shoved em in the dirt after scoring and powdering, same day as collected. I have just become aware of the hot water bath technique (presumably to rehydrate cuttings, and perhaps induce temperature-sensitive metabolic changes needed to awake from dormancy?), and will try it with future cuttings of all kinds, both for grafting and rooting. Can't hurt. . .

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Posted 1398450931	Reply with quote #13

oops... i forgot... real man don't take bath, eat raw garlic to keep vampires away... J/K!!! __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

Grasa

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Posted 1398467643	Reply with quote #14

my new mulberry had 3 beautiful branches, they appeared dead, so I trimmed them and it is bleeding for about 4 days now. I am worried. What can I do to stop it from oozing? Should I just igonore? __________________ Grasa Seattle, WA

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Posted 1398469225	Reply with quote #15

not sure about mulberries, but with figs, i just leave it alone. at most they leak for few hours. is it leaking a lot? maybe some ashe? __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

javajunkie

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Posted 1398474230	Reply with quote #16

Ashes and/or cinnamon will help Grasa. __________________ Tami SE Texas

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Posted 1398483362	Reply with quote #17

so.. while enjoying my jack and coke, i went through all the cups in my humidity bins. no sign of roots anywhere. in two bins, i have persimmons, pom, mulberries and some figs. some of persimmons, pom, and mulberries broke bud already. oh.. i forgot bing cherry, it broke bud also. but no roots. if they were figs, i would be very happy since root will follow soon after breaking bud. but now i'm getting worried since all mulberry cuttings last yr broke bud, grew nice leaves and all died without roots. __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

HarveyC

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Posted 1398494997	Reply with quote #18

My latest mulberry plants are getting root-bound! :P __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

javajunkie

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Posted 1398511506	Reply with quote #19

Harvey, what method are you using to root them? __________________ Tami SE Texas

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Posted 1398530383	Reply with quote #20

i think he just stick them into the ground.... he's in CA, even a rock will put on root... lol __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

javajunkie

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Posted 1398531703	Reply with quote #21

It's kind of like that here too Pete. What do you know about the Shangri La? __________________ Tami SE Texas

Figfinatic

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Posted 1398539181	Reply with quote #22

Shangrila seems easier to root than the others. Mine is growing vigorously. Id like to know more about it too. The only thing I've read is that it is a smaller tree than others, maybe 15-20 ft mature and of course the catalogs say they taste good. Of the few mulberries I've tried, I really like the Pakistan variety's taste. __________________ Wish: Sbayi, passiflora incense, quadrangularis or others

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Posted 1398541256	Reply with quote #23

Can anyone give us a taste profile on any mulberry? __________________ Tami SE Texas

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Posted 1398548848	Reply with quote #24

tami, i heard IL Everbearing is the mulberry to judge others. but in general M. nigra is much better than the others. white mulberries are rarely prized. ILE is hybrid. as to specific taste, i haven't found many references. __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

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Posted 1398549196	Reply with quote #25

Pete, On your last recommendation I did buy the 2 from Burnt Ridge both m. nigra one is your Noir de Spain and I bought one rubra just to see. It was $5 on ebay. But, I am really curious about the Persian and the Shangri La. __________________ Tami SE Texas

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Posted 1398559316	Reply with quote #26

Persian is listed as M. macroura. they are the long/big mulberries. i heard they are really good. i found following link on one person's evaluation of the mulberries. http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/fruit/msg0507330511089.html __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

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Posted 1398560850	Reply with quote #27

OHMMMMM.....OHMMMMM...shh don't disturb me, I am worshipping at the altar of Pete for a minute. That was an awesome find my friend! It was quite informative. Makes me think I might want a Pakistani but I heard they throw up suckers with stickers everywhere. I never heard of a M. Macroura, all the "persian" ones I am finding say they are M. Nigra. __________________ Tami SE Texas

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Posted 1398561268	Reply with quote #28

I just looked it up Pete and that Macroura is listed as a Pakistani shatoot, some red some white. __________________ Tami SE Texas

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Posted 1398561304	Reply with quote #29

tami, check out following link. it's the USDA/UCD holding of the scions. under Morus., you will see how they classify the mulberries. http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/site_holding.pl?DAV __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

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Posted 1398562393	Reply with quote #30

Pete, the black persian on there is M. Nigra also. __________________ Tami SE Texas

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Posted 1398562778	Reply with quote #31

tami, sorry, i think i misread Persian as Pakistan x) i meant to say Pakistan is listed as M. macroura... you are right Black Persian is showing as M. nigra. __________________ Pete Durham, NC Zone 7b "don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher *** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. * * and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...***

HarveyC

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Posted 1398578541	Reply with quote #32

Wow, gone for a day and you guys have been busy. I just wrap top half or so of cutting with parafilm and place bottom half of cutting into ProMix HP just like I have done for my figs. Would have probably worked fine if I just stuck them in the soil also since that has worked before. Not hormones used. Will check rocks for roots when I get a chance! :) __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

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Posted 1398649368	Reply with quote #33

Much to my amazement, I just picked a few ripe 'Oscar' mulberries! :) __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

javajunkie

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Posted 1398649758	Reply with quote #34

Nice Harvey, enjoy them. Don't go away for days at a time, you don't know what kind of trouble we might get into. :) __________________ Tami SE Texas

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