kenny
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Hi all, I am looking to find Perter's honey live plant then someone on told me it maybe the same variety as the other fig known as Kadota. Somebody please enlighten me. Many thanks in advance Kenny
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Nope. they are not the same.
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kenny
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Glad I asked, Thank you James. Do you know of anybody who has this Peter's honey plant I can buy from? Thanks again :-)
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Hi Kenny. I got mine from Dave Wilson Nursery in California, through my local nursery. Check their site. Gary in CA
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kenny
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Thanks for the info Gary :-) I did looked up Dave Wilson and there's no nursery that carries their figs :-( I guess I'd keep watching ebay :-)
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dfoster25
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I got mine from Edible Landscaping.
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javajunkie
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A seller on ebay that goes by Apache has cuttings for sale. I have bought cuttings from them before and they were great.
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Aaron4USA
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@Kenny, until the final list of Synonyms is ready for every one to use, you can click on the thread bellow and see which Variety has what Synonym... You can find Kadota with it's Synonyms and Peter's Honey..if it has one. Good luck ;) Edit: Lemon, Dokkar, LSU Everbearing, White Texas Everbearing, Kadota and Trojano (non verified source)
kenny
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Thank you all for your help and info! So glad to be here' :-)
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ako1974
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I was confused by this as well. Edible Landscaping shows on their website that they are the same:
http://ediblelandscaping.com/buyPlants.php In zone 7, Kadota is an open bush, ripening most of its figs on last years growth. The fruits are yellow, medium to large size and delicious, ripening best with full sun and hot temperatures. Also known as Peter's Honey fig.
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armando93223
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I tasted a 3 foot tall Kadota and a Peter's Honey at a local history, the Kadota was sweeter. Sometimes you don't want them to sweet.
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game_dog
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Both are from Sicily, and excellent. Not the same fig however. Kadota (Dottato) --> http://www.scordo.com/2011/08/the-figs-of-calabria.html A good description for both can be found here --> http://www.adrianosfigtrees.com/varieties.html Like anything else, make sure you purchase from a reliable source. Plenty of reputable members on this site sell cuttings/trees.
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Alan----yes.
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DallasFigs
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Originally Posted by javajunkie A seller on ebay that goes by Apache has cuttings for sale. I have bought cuttings from them before and they were great.
I second that. I got some Peter's Honey cuttings from him last year. Cut most off then in half and ended up with 9 trees. (All survived me). Gave them all away but one, which I have in a big 20gal tub now.
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There is currently a seller on Ebay by the name of familyelbow selling "new' Kadotas. All their info was swiped from Edible Landscaping. They are claiming their fig is the same as Peter's Honey (because that's what EL is saying). I have Dottato (Kadota) and Peter's Honey and they are certainly not the same fig.
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game_dog
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I personally purchased my Peter's Honey from 'Bay Flora' (along with a White Genoa) and am VERY pleased with both.
kenny
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I got the Peter's Honey from the ebay seller by the name Apache, the listing was for 4 cuttings but I received 5, very nice to have a bonus when you didn't expecting any extra. I have them in the perlite/compost mix and hoping they will root. I'm just looking for the plants to make sure I have a live plant back up as I am not experienced with rooting. So glad I found this forum, full of info and nice ppeps. Thank you all for all you share :-)
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Kenny, I am happy to send you more of those cuttings if you have problem rooting yours. I do not sell them, I do ask for the postage. I was given 2 trees, one is full of brebas!.
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kenny
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Grasa, Thank you so much! I sent you PM.
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ascpete
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Kenny, Peter's Honey and Kadota are two different figs. They may be related, but have different origins. Kadota is a sport (mutation) of Dotatto and is well documented. Quote:
http://figs4fun.com/Links/FigLink051.pdf (
The Kadota Fig by W. Sam Clark ),
Discovery
The honor and credit for the discovery of the remarkable fig now known as the Kadota belongs exclusively to that wise old horticulturist, the late Stephen H. Taft, of Sawtelle, a member of the Centenary Club of Southern California. When nearing the brave old age of five score years he crossed over the funset sea, leaving behind him a horticultural triumph whose magnitude and
value were but faintly appreciated even by himself. As the planted acres of this fig are leaping from hundreds into thousands, and demand outstrips all possible production even now, only then does the true worth of this fig appear and the magnitude of the discovery become apparent to those interested in this branch of horticulture. The original tree of this variety, then a stranger, discovered and named by Mr. Taft and afterward distributed, first appeared in an orchard grown by Mr. Cyrus Way of Whittier, from cuttings furnished by Mr. Iheo. Hockett, from his orchard of Dottaios, which in turn was an orchard grown from cuttings imported from Europe in 1887, by Mr. R. Thompson of Orange County, California. In the orchard grown by Mr. Way was one only tree of most remarkable vigor, growth, and early production, and in every way superior to the balance of the orchard surrounding it. The discriminating judgment of Mr. Taft immediately recognized in this stranger the very qualities and virtues so long sought by all progressive fig growers the world over. Whether it be an off-shoot, a sport, or a freak of nature, matters but little to us now, and its remarkable achievements in the few short years of its existence has astounded the fig growers of central California, and it now stands at the very head of all figs of its class, and has indeed created a branch of the fig industry all its own.
Peter's Honey,
kenny
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Thank you for the information Pete, it is amazing how much information comes thru once one ask - and this is only around two varieties!
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Posturedoc
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This topic comes up periodically. Aaron's link to the F4F fig database suggests Kadota as a synonym for Peter's Honey and I've read on other threads where collectors claim their PH, Kadota and White Texas Everbearing are the same fig. In my collection, Kadota is definitely a different fig, but PH, purchased from Burnt Ridge Nursery, and WTE, from Davis, are the same.
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pino
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game_dog, dottato is not from Sicily check your link; Kadota aka (sport of) Dottato --> http://www.scordo.com/2011/08/the-figs-of-calabria.html Calabria is not Sicily. Dottato is from Calabria (province of Crotone to be more precise).
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DesertDance
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I think I would take Kadota over Peter's Honey any day. I bet Italian honey is only good on his Vespa! Suzi
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GreenFin
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Originally Posted by
ascpete Kenny,
Peter's Honey and Kadota are two different figs. They may be related, but have different origins.
Kadota is a sport (mutation) of Dotatto and is well documented.
Quote:
http://figs4fun.com/Links/FigLink051.pdf (
The Kadota Fig by W. Sam Clark ),
Discovery
The honor and credit for the discovery of the remarkable fig now known as the Kadota belongs exclusively to that wise old horticulturist, the late Stephen H. Taft, of Sawtelle, a member of the Centenary Club of Southern California. When nearing the brave old age of five score years he crossed over the funset sea, leaving behind him a horticultural triumph whose magnitude and
value were but faintly appreciated even by himself. As the planted acres of this fig are leaping from hundreds into thousands, and demand outstrips all possible production even now, only then does the true worth of this fig appear and the magnitude of the discovery become apparent to those interested in this branch of horticulture. The original tree of this variety, then a stranger, discovered and named by Mr. Taft and afterward distributed, first appeared in an orchard grown by Mr. Cyrus Way of Whittier, from cuttings furnished by Mr. Iheo. Hockett, from his orchard of Dottaios, which in turn was an orchard grown from cuttings imported from Europe in 1887, by Mr. R. Thompson of Orange County, California. In the orchard grown by Mr. Way was one only tree of most remarkable vigor, growth, and early production, and in every way superior to the balance of the orchard surrounding it. The discriminating judgment of Mr. Taft immediately recognized in this stranger the very qualities and virtues so long sought by all progressive fig growers the world over. Whether it be an off-shoot, a sport, or a freak of nature, matters but little to us now, and its remarkable achievements in the few short years of its existence has astounded the fig growers of central California, and it now stands at the very head of all figs of its class, and has indeed created a branch of the fig industry all its own.
Thanks for sharing this. I've passed on getting Kadota before because I've got Dottato and I thought that they were supposed to be not just very similar, but of equal repute; I hadn't realized that Kadota was supposed to be some sort of significant improvement over the Dottato. Now I think I want to add Kadota to my cuttings wishlist.
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sarahkt
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Anyone buy a Peter's Honey from Raintree, and compare with a Kadota? I ordered a PH from Raintree earlier this year, no fruit yet. I'm curious because there's been multiple threads on some people (including sellers) confusing PH with Kadota, and nurseries selling them interchangeably. I was wondering you find them to be entirely separate types, or if you think they're similar too. I haven't liked Kadotas from the store, and while I know there's a HUGE difference between unripe store ones and ones picked ripe, I'm hoping my PH is not a Kadota. Did you happen to buy your PH from Raintree, or if not, do you know if others who have bought from Raintree are satisfied that their tree is a PH and not a Kadota? My first tree I bought from them turned out to be a Reverse/unknown instead of a Panache, so there's a precedence for mixups there, at least in my experience. Mixups do happen, and I've been pleased with my other orders from there, but still want to clarify on this point.
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Figgysid1
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Here is a picture of my kadota leaf and peter's honey leaf. If I lose a tag I cannot tell the difference until they fruit. My peter's honey figs will always make a bunch of twin figs(2 figs on one node). My kadota fig does not make twins so that is one easy way to tell. Kadota Peter's honey
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Here Peter's Honey brebas are the best--main crop a little insipid for my taste
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sarahkt
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I had some Kadota cuttings forgotten in the fridge, just rooted them today. Will compare them to my PH when they fruit.
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