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I know it has been documented here but which is which? pretobm 001.JPG 

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My intention is to demonstrate how similar these cultivars are.  I know they are in their infancy but they look like twins to me.
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Don't know that you can tell them apart by leaves, and certainly not at this young age.
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Ed,
I have 3 of each growing together to see just how different or alike they really are. Mine aren't old enough yet but in a year or two . . .
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Preto on the right?
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are you guys talking about Sofeno Preto or is there another Preto?
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My guess would be black madeira on the right.
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I have one of each, both 2 years old, both about 5 feet tall, loaded with large figs. So far they seem identical. When I get ripe fruit I will post photos for comparison. I hear Figo Preto ripens a little earlier, but they seem to be on the same pace so far. I should not have to wait too long as they had an early start in the greenhouse.
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The only difference between the 2,is what kind of fig disease ,each one is infected with,or if one is healthy,and the other is not.
If ideally they both are healthy ,then both trees are identical .!
Personally,in my experience Preto fig is healthier.
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does Black Madeira split in humidity?  Both my Figo Pretos had split figs split last year.  I lost my Black Madeira over the winter so I can't compare.
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Ed,

Nice,  healthy and robust  little trees.
Cannot see anything  to differentiate those two.

If you agree I could show another young tree, from the spring of 2013, which is no less than their genuine sister (Violeta) , slightly older but all coming from the same common trunk.

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I don't have Preto and I know the rumor on the street is that they are the same, but.. The treeling on the right looks like my Black Mad's. The leaf sheen, shapes, and the way the veins contrast the green are identical to mine.

Is that a pistachio shell in your potting soil?
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Francisco, sure let's see what you are talking about.  Preto is the one on the right.  Yes I eat a lot of pistachios and save every shell for my cutting mix.
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Dang! And there you have it.
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Ed,

Thank you, here they go..

Still a baby on March 13/2013, born from a cutting taken from her old mother Violeta on the February pruning  and rooting on a standard mix of 30-70% perlite and common potting soil, following a soak of 3 or 4 days in diluted willow tea

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and now, (today)  growing strong through its first up potting, approximately 40 inch from ground level

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should have left just 2 figs but....

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That's one nice plant!
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I have a Black Madeira.  The leaves look similar.  I will post a video when the fruit is ripe.  Will try to give a steady shot of the leaf and fruit.
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Nice indeed.
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Francisco - that is a very impressive plant. 
             Now I'm hooked. 
                      What soil mix are you using? 
                      Will you tell me your fertilizing schedule? Including what you are feeding this magnificent plant?
                      Any secrets you can tell me?
Anything advise would be very much appreciated.
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Thank you Michael.

No secrets !

A) On the cutting start up, I believe that the willow tea solution soaking helps..

B) Then when moving to the first up-potting, have used a mix of roughly 70% universal potting soil, 20% worm castings and 10% perlite plus two coffee spoons flat of soluble iron oxide wrapped in 2 pieces of kitchen paper, 4 inch deep diametrically opposed and near the pot wall...Early spring ALL new figs react very positively to this treatment with good visible growth...

C) Two to three week later, some fertigation (every other week) a solution of  5-8-10 + micros - 30 ml per 12 litre water  applied on the moist soil

D) Optionally, instead of (C),  I am using on other figs  60%-30%-10% + the iron as above and for fertigation a solution of  P-K 13/14 + micro elements ,  same 30 ml per 12 litre water, on moist soil

I am inclined to believe that the worm castings and the iron oxide together seem to boost plant growth and some degree of robustness and immunity (?) to the plants.
Next season on next up potting  I shall be adding some natural limestone.

Francisco
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Posted Reply with quote  #21 
Thought I might help by posting my Preto leaves.


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Frank: Very nice and healthy tree and thanks for sharing.

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