Are these the same figs: Pastilliere = Rouge de Bordeaux = Red de Bordeaux

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greenfig

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Posted 1417040115 · Edited	Reply with quote #1

A question in the subject. Yes/no? __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

lampo

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Posted 1417041874 · Edited	Reply with quote #2

Igor, The most known and correct names (synonyms) are: (there may be others..) Rouge de Bordeaux, Hirta du Japon, Pastellière or Pastillière Here a few links... http://www.fig-baud.com/cataloguefiguiers/catpastiliere.html http://www.roseraie-guerinais.com/212-pastiliere.html http://vincentbey.perso.neuf.fr/Pastilliere.html http://a142.idata.over-blog.com/0/51/43/56/Aout2008/Delicfigue8vari-t-s.jpg http://www.figuiers.com/plants-de-figuiers.html Francisco Portugal

greenfig

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Posted 1417057382	Reply with quote #3

Thank you, Francisco! Very helpful. __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

jdsfrance

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Posted 1417100827	Reply with quote #4

Hi Greenfig, The sale name of Pastiliere over here is "Rouge de Bordeaux" . You won't find a fig named "Pastiliere" in the nurseries here - except in southern France perhaps - So yes, Pastiliere and "Rouge de Bordeaux" are the same. Rouge means Red, so likely someone translated "Rouge de Bordeaux" to "Red de Bordeaux" . The name "Rouge de Bordeaux" creates some confusion here as another well sold fig strain is "Ronde de Bordeaux". Imagine a tag washed from rain, sun exposed and with some dirt over it, and if you're quick, you can easily buy one for the other . My personal question, then, always was: ... Which one is the good and which one is the bad ? It seems that people would more likely look for "Rouge de Bordeaux" as the tree would be smaller in final size ... Now I bought a "Rouge de Bordeaux" ... And she dropped 4 of her 6 figs ... But ok, I bought the tree this April so got to be patient ! and let her settle and start sky rocketing . __________________ ------------------------ Climate from -25°C to + 35°C Only cold hardy figtrees can make it here

greenfig

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Posted 1417109500	Reply with quote #5

Thanks, jdsfrance. I think both of them are fine varieties and you cannot go wrong with any except if you already have one and trying to get another. I have the wasp and that could be a reason that my Pastilliere plants never dropped a fig. They were very vigorous growers last summer. One still has 3 figs getting ripe right now (the temp is around +22-27C everyday). I hope to taste a Ronde next season and compare both. __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

mgginva

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Posted 1417128150	Reply with quote #6

The jury is still out on my Rouge de Bordeaux. This year both dropped their figs but both are young (1 and 3 years). My 3 Ronde de Bordeaux's are excellent trees that produce excellent figs. They are by far my favorite dark fig. They are cold hardy, early to ripen and then ripen for at least 2 months. I will add two more (I have 3 - 4,4 and 3 years old) as currently I think this variety is the best "All Round" fig I'm growing (I had just over 100 varieties produce ripe figs this year - didn't count the young ones with a fig or two.) I am very excited about the Rouge de Bordeaux and hope it does well here in VA z7. __________________ Michael in Virginia (zone 7a) Wish list: Perretta,

pino

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Posted 1417128704	Reply with quote #7

Hirta du Japon? Would this then be Rouge de Bordeaux growing in Japan? __________________ Pino, zone 6, Niagara, JCJ Acres Wish; Peace on earth and more figs Italian 258, Galicia Negra, Luv, trade suggestions welcome.

RichinNJ

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Posted 1417129177	Reply with quote #8

Quote: Originally Posted by mgginva The jury is still out on my Rouge de Bordeaux. This year both dropped their figs but both are young (1 and 3 years). My 3 Ronde de Bordeaux's are excellent trees that produce excellent figs. They are by far my favorite dark fig. They are cold hardy, early to ripen and then ripen for at least 2 months. I will add two more (I have 3 - 4,4 and 3 years old) as currently I think this variety is the best "All Round" fig I'm growing (I had just over 100 varieties produce ripe figs this year - didn't count the young ones with a fig or two.) I am very excited about the Rouge de Bordeaux and hope it does well here in VA z7. This is quite an endorcement We are looking forward to figs from our Ronde de Bordeaux.

lampo

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Posted 1417131016	Reply with quote #9

A bit of history behind Pastillière ....aka Rouge de Bordeaux...aka Hirta du Japon... http://www.planetfig.com/cultivars/fcveng8586.html Francisco Portugal

pino

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Posted 1417131694	Reply with quote #10

Francisco, thanks for that link on this figs interesting history! "great cold resistance and the abundant and early main crop" This is my kind of fig..LOL __________________ Pino, zone 6, Niagara, JCJ Acres Wish; Peace on earth and more figs Italian 258, Galicia Negra, Luv, trade suggestions welcome.

lampo

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Posted 1417142486	Reply with quote #11

Pino, OK , Thanks. Not yet 100% sure but it looks like that its ancestors are still around... being a very early fig almost overlapping with the brebas (second week of July) very tasty but, much more berry than figgy redish peduncle Dark hairy skin with a nice bluish hue and with conspicuous meridian cracks when fully ripe Not much 'brixy', think it's our least sweet fig Inconstancy on its shape contours as well as pulp colors from deep orange to strawberry red. In this climate (equivalent to zone 11) no fig dropping call it -Preto temporão- or -Early Black- Francisco Portugal

greenfig

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Posted 1417205422	Reply with quote #12

Was anxiously expecting a ripe fig from a Raintree Pastilliere. Checked the plant, saw 2 beautiful figs, decided to take photo and went inside to grab a camera. 5 min later found this sorry picture :( I hate those birds! I kept the plant protected from the squirrels and they just sneaked in and did the damage, terrible! Oh, well, I still have the second one. Attached Images ripe1.JPG (176.04 KB, 19 views) __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

lampo

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Posted 1417207710	Reply with quote #13

Sorry for that Igor,...That's the price for growing great figs! They seem to understand where the time and the figs are ripe for a kill! Francisco Portugal

greenfig

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Posted 1417207901	Reply with quote #14

Yeap! With a 5-min precision! I think it is a record for me :( __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

waynea

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Posted 1417210541	Reply with quote #15

Igor, are you positive they were caprified? I have 3 good size Raintree Pastilliere. They look good, D--- birds!

greenfig

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Posted 1417210850	Reply with quote #16

I can test the seeds of the second fig from the photo when I collect it. So far, every my fig I tried had the heavy seeds that stayed on the bottom of the cup. This also explains a high germination success rate of the seeds (check the "want seeds?" thread). __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

greenfig

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Posted 1417334523	Reply with quote #17

Wayne, Here is the second fig from the photo, ripe! I tried a few seeds without wasting too much meat and yes, most of them sank. The fig tasted very nice, soft, sweet with some acidity, not much crunch. The skin was quite thin. I think it could still be much better if collected in August, in the prime heat. I hope to try some next year. Attached Images ripe3.JPG (133.15 KB, 30 views) ripe4.JPG (121.79 KB, 33 views) ripe5.JPG (96.91 KB, 33 views) ripe6.JPG (91.87 KB, 32 views) __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

waynea

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Posted 1417351729	Reply with quote #18

Thanks Igor, I hope so too. They look so good.

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