eboone
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with buying 25 cuttings from Harvey and reselling them for what they are.
Agree with this, Harvey has a commercial business. Unless he lied to Harvey. But I don't think it is OK to respond to another forummer who is distributing cuttings out of the goodness of their heart, who is wanting to promote the hobby, who is wanting to help friends here, and then to turn around and sell those cuttings. That is selfish, and a mistaken understanding of forum etiquette (or of decent human behavior). And thanks, Harvey, and to all of those who are helping to make this forum a better place.
__________________ Ed Zone 6A - Southwest PA --------------------------- Short wish list: CDDG, LSU Red, Dark Greek (Navid), Col Littman's Black Cross . And any cold hardy early fig.
COGardener
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Originally Posted by DonCentralTexas Selling a cutting as one variety but it is in reality another variety is morally wrong. Thanks for the heads up. But legitimately buying large quantities of cuttings with the intention of re-selling (anywhere) is called business. That is what nurseries do. I'm looking for 50-100 cuttings of VdB cheap for eventual re-sale as plants, how is this wrong? Anyone providing me with them will have to know they are for future sales, right?
There is difference between saying they are for resale as apposed to make people think they are for personal use. Still, anyone wanting more then a handful it should be obvious.
Aaron4USA
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Hi "abcd"... (BYW you should introduce yourself to the forum members.)personally I don't see ANYTHING wrong in selling whatever you want to sell on eBay or wherever it works for you.Edit: as long as you payed for each cutting and not received them as a supportive donation from fellow good hearted forum members. (because that would be unethical.) People donate to fellow members because they know or assume that member can't afford buying the cuttings. Please don't take advantage of kind hearted people like that and ruin it for the rest of us. Once a kind hearted person stops trusting then it's everybody's loss. I hope you understand this concept. :) Having said this, I have just one question, just to clarify the confusion: Have you EVER sold a cutting misnamed? in other words, were all the cuttings, that you have sold and selling, true to their claimed names? ...because I like what I see , sometimes, in your listings, and more power to you... please answer the question. If they are what you are saying they are then NO ONE has the right to criticize you nor anybody else trying to make some money on eBay in honest way :) (...wow, this feels like dejavous ...LOL) hm...;/
DaveL
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If I may add my two cents to this discussion please. If someone is fortunate to have a large thriving fig collection or happens to come come across some windfall of cuttings from an external source and wants to sell on ebay, more power to him/her. This is not a cheap hobby. That being said, however, to procure cuttings from this forum, intended for it members, and turn around and sell these on eBay is just wrong. The cuttings offered here should be for those who really need them, such as newbies, those with a limited collection, or someone needing a particular variety. We are all brothers and sisters on this forum and should respect each other as such. Someone in need should not be shut out of an opportunity due to someone looking to make a dollar. Just my two cents.
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figpig_66
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Well spent two cents
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Wish list. Col de dame blanc
Col de rimada
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abcd
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Originally Posted by andreas hello everyone. i have to go with Harvey on this one. this abcd person wanted me to sell him some cuttings. i caught him lying to me... and that was that!!!
You using a word “liar” very easy. What did not you believe in our conversation? Let me guess…
Fact that I have a supplier in Greece?
You do believe that you one and only?
Guess what – it is another seller on eBay right now- listings are identical – word by word. Who is a “copycat”, you or him?
By the way I got many, many emails, asking me about my supplier contact information after my post about importing fig cuttings from Greece.
And I did pay $ 5 each, even if you do not want to believe it, it is still a fact. Tell me, how long 3 words “rare fig variety” will be used in the same sentence if I will spread his contact information around.
We all want to be exclusive owners of rare variety, but everybody entitled to” change of heart” situation.
Aaron4USA
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@ abcd, why aren't you answering my question? if you answer my question then you don't need to prove anything to anybody...simple! :)
andreas
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abcd you claim to have ordered peloponnisiaka aspra sika and many other greek types with phytosanitary certificate and the cost to you was $5.00 (that is a joke because the certificate it self cost more then youll ever know) but since you paid for it how much was it???? i will not go in to it with you, because it is clearly not worth my time. however i ask you again and for the last time, and only because you wanted to drag this out in the forum. did your supplier show you a picture of the actual fruit? can you produse a picture of this fruit other then my own? because if not i have tons of fig firewood outside my door i could sell to you for $1/ cutting. think of all the profit you would make on ebay!!!
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Aaron4USA
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Originally Posted by Aaron4USA Hi "abcd"... (BYW you should introduce yourself to the forum members.)personally I don't see ANYTHING wrong in selling whatever you want to sell on eBay or wherever it works for you.Edit: as long as you payed for each cutting and not received them as a supportive donation from fellow good hearted forum members. (because that would be unethical.) People donate to fellow members because they know or assume that member can't afford buying the cuttings. Please don't take advantage of kind hearted people like that and ruin it for the rest of us. Once a kind hearted person stops trusting then it's everybody's loss. I hope you understand this concept. :) Having said this, I have just one question, just to clarify the confusion: Have you EVER sold a cutting misnamed? in other words, were all the cuttings, that you have sold and selling, true to their claimed names? ...because I like what I see , sometimes, in your listings, and more power to you... please answer the question. If they are what you are saying they are then NO ONE has the right to criticize you nor anybody else trying to make some money on eBay in honest way :) (...wow, this feels like dejavous ...LOL) hm...;/
Sorry, do not have much time to pay attention to all posts, was really upset about accusations.
All cuttings on eBay received from members and listed as named .
All cuttings which I received initially for “personal use”, SOLD to me by members ,who want to make some money for any reason, are in my greenhouse with a different state of success.
And I DID NOT ask, or accept any donations, I simply cannot accept donations because I know how much it cost to have a garden as a hobby.
Now I do not even want to share a pictures with forum after such attack and accusations. But thank you for asking, Aaron.
You should list all your suppliers so people would know you are not making things up. Once the picture is clear for everyone , who cares about this issue, then you will be on open and clear. Trust, to my opinion, is a very important commodity when it comes to selling...Maybe you were misunderstood...and that you can fix and go on with Forum life. You know the saying..."you fool me once , it's your fault. You fool me twice, it's my fault!"
Aaron4USA
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OK, I respect that... Just make SURE, you are not creating confusion in Fig World by selling something that is NOT what you claim it is. And, "abcd" this goes not just for you but every non-experienced fig cutting seller that is out there trying to make some bucks off of fig lover all over US. Just not fair. Hope you understand and respect this issue.
abcd
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Originally Posted by andreas abcd you claim to have ordered peloponnisiaka aspra sika and many other greek types with phytosanitary certificate and the cost to you was $5.00 (that is a joke because the certificate it self cost more then youll ever know) but since you paid for it how much was it???? i will not go in to it with you, because it is clearly not worth my time. however i ask you again and for the last time, and only because you wanted to drag this out in the forum. did your supplier show you a picture of the actual fruit? can you produse a picture of this fruit other then my own? because if not i have tons of fig firewood outside my door i could sell to you for $1/ cutting. think of all the profit you would make on ebay!!!
You will be surprised, how many sellers and nurseries want to work with me. Told you – you are not the one and only seller in Greece. And I am not only into figs. So I can afford to pay for phytosanitary certificate .
You want me to share all trade secrets with you- probably not.
By the way if some concerned citizen will report you to USDA selling cuttings to USA , guess how many of your buyers will get visit from USDA- eBay keeps a records for many years.
It is probably why giorgos-arvanitis
your tween brother on eBay is not shipping to USA anymore.
It is his listing:
MAYAM BLUE is a Greek Variety that comes from Peloponnese and is know to be extremely rare. The taste in this fig is very rich with an abundant of seeds and full pulp. The skins exterior is a purplish blue tone with a thin skin and the pulp has a deep strawberry red color with an abundant of juices. It has a superb taste of a berry flavor with a rich honey taste to it and very aromatic. Its leaf has 5 lobes and this fig tree is very resistant and very productive. It does not need pollination. It has a vintage quality for fresh consumption.
Package includes: 10 Month old bare rooted fig cutting
****Please be advised we only offer combined shipping for the varieties within each weekly bids and we also offer EMS shipping service. You may contact us for the price list.
It is the buyer’s responsibility to know their countries customs laws , seeds may be restricted from importing to your country or may be charged a country tax. Please check with your customs agency and/ or post office before purchasing. Upon purchasing this item Buyer accepts the risk of item being confiscated and/or destroyed by customs and Seller will not be held liable for this.
Here is yours:
TSELIGATO is a very rare and hard to find ancient Greek variety found in peloponnisos part of Greece that makes a very rich and flavorful fig. It drips honey from the eye when it is ready and ripe. It has a bright red strawberry pulp full of juices. The taste is complex, extremely sweet and juicy. It has a 5 lobed leaf with and is a very steady and productive tree. It is harvested August-September. This fig does not require pollination.
Package will include: 2 fresh cuttings 7”- 8” long
It is the buyer’s responsibility to know their countries customs laws, cuttings or trees may be restricted from importing to your country or may be charged a country tax. Please check with your customs agency and/ or post office before purchasing. Upon purchasing this item Buyer accepts the risk of item being confiscated and/or destroyed by customs and Seller will not be held liable for this
Almost identical, again, who is a copycat?
timmy2green
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You reap what you sow in life.
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andreas
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@ abcd first of all i would like to thank you for following me on ebay. Harvey didnt know one of your many other ebay ids... atskor10 aka atskor8 ( sell any other bad mushrooms lately?) 2) you can call ebay and usda ... i have no problem with that. i have not sold to anyone in the USA... CAN YOU PROVE THAT I DID? I TURNED YOUR OFFER DOWN AND YOU WANTED TO GET CUTTINGS THAT WERE NOT LEGAL TO OWN, EVEN THOUGH USDA TOOK YOUR CUTTINGS, AND YOU STILL WANTED TO BRAKE THE LAW!!! AND 3) NO ONE CALLED YOU A COPYCAT... I CALLED YOU A LIAR... AND OTHERS CALLED YOU OTHER THINGS!!!! BUT NOT A COPYCAT!!! SOME BUYERS FROM THE STATES DID BID ON MY EBAY LISTINGS, SO I CANCELED THEM AND NOW ALL MY AUCTIONS CLEARLY STATE THAT I WILL NOT SHIP TO USA. ANYWAY ITS 1:15 AM SO I AM GOING TO END IT FOR NOW. ITS UP TO YOU HOW FAR THIS GOES!
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abcd
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Very funny.......... Still a copycat- one of you.
nycfig
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Hello everyone! I've recently thrown my own hat into the eBay sellers' ring. Soil and fertilizer are expensive! I've been selling on eBay (not figs) for many years. It's mostly a hobby and a fun thing to do with the family. I've been buying figs from eBay sellers for well over a year now. After dealing with many sellers and having sold my fair share of other items, I've learned what I like to see in an eBay auction for fig trees or cuttings and came up with an eBay Buyers' Guide. I've been working on it for a few weeks and decided to finish it today when Harvey started this thread. I thought it was appropriate to post here. If not please let me know, Harvey.Buying Fig Trees and Cuttings from the Internet It's definitely not perfect, but I think it will help a lot of people out. Let me know what you think.
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Ruuting
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@Danny (NYCFIG) - I like it.
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RichinNJ
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nycfig Hello everyone!
I've recently thrown my own hat into the eBay sellers' ring. Soil and fertilizer are expensive!
I've been selling on eBay (not figs) for many years. It's mostly a hobby and a fun thing to do with the family.
I've been buying figs from eBay sellers for well over a year now. After dealing with many sellers and having sold my fair share of other items, I've learned what I like to see in an eBay auction for fig trees or cuttings and came up with an eBay Buyers' Guide. I've been working on it for a few weeks and decided to finish it today when Harvey started this thread. I thought it was appropriate to post here. If not please let me know, Harvey.
Buying Fig Trees and Cuttings from the Internet It's definitely not perfect, but I think it will help a lot of people out. Let me know what you think.
Very nice Danny
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Danny, This is just beautiful. Absolutely perfect. Thank you, and I hope everyone reads it.
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nycfig
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Thank you for the comments. I appreciate it.
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GRamaley
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Ha! Abcd... I sent you that after Harvey and I decided there was something off about you.... you neglected to mention that you asked me for cuttings when I was offering them for free and I turned you down and put this post on my offer "This is for active members who have filled out a profile and done some posting. Happy Black Friday!! " So don't say you didn't seek to be given cuttings... This was the message you sent me.. Abcd- Would like to get 3 packages / 7 cuttings in each/. Trying to get an idea , how to handle cuttings, no luck so far. I looked at your profile and posting and decided not to answer you... You make no sense why would anyone ask you who is suppose to be a newbie to sell for them on eBay when there are many people on here with good reputations that could help them.
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jenn42
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I have had the same leary feeling buying any on ebay this season. To me it seemed like a lot of dishonest sellers. Granted, I have made a couple of purchases but only from F4F members who have been here a while. It is really sad. It seems the higher prices go the more dishonesty there is/will be.
__________________ Jenn
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Wish List: CDD, Bryant-Dark Unknown, Red Lebanese, ORoarke, Calvert
Will hopefully have cuttings to trade next year as my yearlings mature
dirtguy50
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It so much fun to watch when someone gets busted and then tries spin it to justify it. Members offering cuttings to other members is crystal clear of the intent of the person offering them. It's a shame to take advantage of good people. The truth will find you out!
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dirtguy50
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Your problem is you are guilty and, predictably, think you have to have the last word. Just watch.
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dirtguy50
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I knew you would respond. Thanks for the compliment as I do honor integrity.
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dirtguy50
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I do say so. Just watch.
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abcd
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Have fun..... Buy..... or should I say- Get a life............
Hershell
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Great job Danny.
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dirtguy50
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Typical response. Just watch.
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nycfig
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Thanks Hershell.
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dirtguy50
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Excellent post nycfig.
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Aaron4USA
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OK EVERYBODY! Lets not takes this to a fight level. We have been there and don't want to be there EVER AGAIN. So, lets not make another mistake like this on eBay or anywhere else? AND this goes for everybody who is trying to pull the same lame game! LESSON LEARNED, MOVING FORWARD. Thank you Harvey for this very educational thread. I hope that this has been an important Ethical Lesson for all of us figures.
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Danny, I know a lot of work went into that. Great Job.
I'm sorry if I'm going to say again what I'm sure has been said before, but I have not read every post.
It is completely fine to buy and sell cuttings in any honest manner you want.
It is not fine to say "I want to try rooting a bunch of cuttings" and then turn around and sell them.
Are we done yet?
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Aaron4USA
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yes, it does look very good and informative Danny, great accomplishment.
schaplin
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Bill's is a great place to get figs from. Last time I was there I picked up 3-4 plants and yes they are $30-35 but well established and well grown. There is nothing wrong with buying fig cuttings and re-selling them if you are honest about it. I plan on putting out feelers for 20-25 cutting of a couple of varieties that would not be too expensive, that would be good for in the ground in NC and different from the normal Celeste and Brown Turkey. They have to be reasonable because the nursery will only be selling them for $10-15 and I want them to make a little money on them. For them they are feeling the waters to see if there is any interest in this area. They can't be too costly since people are used to paying $20-$25 for a 3 gallon brown Turkey or a Celest. If this works then we will do it again offering 2-3 new varieties every year. On the other hand if I said I wanted to buy a lot of cuttings to experiment since I had a low success rate and then turned around and sold them. Well that is lying pure and simple. You might give me a better price thinking you are helping me have a chance of having a success. Personally I like 4-5 cutting to start with. It's my comfort zone since I can save 2 and start 2. I like the idea of having something special to bring to a fig gathering or something to trade with in the future. If there are still too many then I would give them to the nursery to sell so they can make some extra money.
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Aaron4USA
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well said Sue, couldn't said it better myself.
paully22
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Harvey, I am sure many members here and guests will benefit from this thread. I was scammed by a new member famously known as ZERGAS with a game plan and even using a female name "Susan Gonzales".
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NYCFIG- Well thought out, Thanks for posting. I hope everyone reads it. Post #69, Buying Fig Trees and Cuttings from the Internet
__________________ Don (Near Austin, TX zone 8b) If you have these for sale/trade PM me: Zingarella, Grantham's Royal, Calderona, Genovese Nero, Noir de Barbentane
Ampersand
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Good post Danny, I'd suggest posting it in a new topic. Definitely something that should be pinned to the START HERE thread.
rookie
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Great job Harvey in weeding this guy out. What this all basically comes down to is, if it sounds too good to be true,,,,, it probably isn't. If something smells fishy then it most likely is.....buyer and seller, whether it's on ebay, on the forum, or on the street,,,, BEWARE!
__________________ Scott, Long Island ,NY All my figs have been exposed to FMV,some have it, some don't. It doesn't seem to bother them so it doesn't bother me.
HarveyC
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Okay, this wasn't really meant so much as a discussion thread. I just wanted to get the word out to protect those that might be defrauded. abcd/Alex/2014.gulen isn't happy about this thread and we communicated by PM in a cordial manner but he wasn't really willing to answer questions I asked to get down to the basics of my concerns. He maintains that he is only selling correctly-labeled varieties. I won't go into other details of our messages since they were sent under the premise of being private, though there was anything significant that was discussed anyways. Alex has some sort of relationship with someone who I will just call "Kate". Some people have suggested that Alex and Kate are the same person but I don't believe so. However, Alex's email address and PayPal address contain the same personalized elements that make up one of the eBay accounts of Kate, atskor10/atskor8. This eBay account shows a location of Brooklyn, NY. Kate also has eBay accounts under the name of katerina-2009 (Moscow, PA) and katerina77-2008 (Brooklyn, NY) with all three being tied to the same PayPal account. Today I bought cuttings from korina-2009 and I also bought a Red Lebanse cutting from koria77-2008 and she later wrote me to ask why I bought it when I was already selling Red Lebanese. I pointed out that I was selling Lebanse Red and explained that these are different figs. I then asked why she she used three eBay accounts and asked why she would buy UCR 184-15 from me under the atskor10 account and then turn around and sell the same variety under her korina-2009 account. We ended our discussion with her suggestion that I mind my own business. I would like eBay to be a safe trading platform so helping prevent others from being defrauded is my business, IMO. There might be other accounts associated with these individuals, but I just don't have any evidence of that at this time. I also have no proof that the cuttings any of these users are selling are actually mislabeled cuttings but it seems obvious that the methods they're using are highly questionable, at best. I will grow out the cuttings Kate is sending me and report back in a year or two. Danny has put together a very good set of guidelines for buying figs on the Internet and it seems the listings under the four eBay accounts listed in this thread all get a lot of red flags when reading Danny's guidelines. Most of this is common sense, IMO, but different people have different skills and just don't think of some of these things on their own, I guess, so I highly recommend using Danny's guide closely to help wade through the eBay marketplace carefully.
Good luck! How about those figs??!! :)
__________________Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14
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drmsafar
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Thank you Armando and Harvey for the warning/posting received in fb in Malaysia.
timmy2green
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I'm glad you pulled that all together Harvey. As I had mentioned in my earlier post in this thread, I suspected Korina was the same person. Thanks for raising the red flag.
__________________ Saratoga, NY - Zone 5a Wish List: Sbayi, Poona, Panevino Dark, Lebanese Red, Sumaki, Raspberry Latte, Negretta, Italian 258, De La Reina MP.
DonCentralTexas
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Thanks Harvey! I always knew some people would have multiple accounts to drive bid prices up artificially, or have friends bid on their items for same reasons. One can look at how and when someone bids, only idiots ( ok that's harsh, very naive people) or scammers keep driving prices higher with continuation of trying to be top bidder well before auction ends. Reasonable people set bid amount, or increase only to win, not to be the leader. I walk away from "bidding wars", there will always be other auctions.
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waynea
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Over 100 posts, more than some of our informative topics...threads. Hmmmmmmmm
timmy2green
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I walk away from "bidding wars", there will always be other auctions.
Don, do they ever not end in bidding wars!? :)
__________________ Saratoga, NY - Zone 5a Wish List: Sbayi, Poona, Panevino Dark, Lebanese Red, Sumaki, Raspberry Latte, Negretta, Italian 258, De La Reina MP.
HarveyC
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I guess I should mention that my first attempt to purchase something from korina-2009 ended with me being outbid by 2014.gulen (eBay doesn't show his ID but the feedback score of 15/90% was the same). I didn't get into a bidding war with him and just decided to be patient and snipe bid on the other auctions.
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DesMoinesWAfig
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Thanks, Harvey. This is really sad to see. I so appreciate the wealth of knowledege shared on this forum. I continue to learn everyday. Thank you! I wanted to also agree with Kelby in post #97 about Danny's post. Danny - well written and thought out. Excellent guide for buying on eBay. This should be pinned to the start
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I'm not really in the market for new figs, I've got a sizeable collection, but I must commend Harvey for his efforts to root out this phoney seller. Like many on this forum, I was burned by a seller who would troll the forum looking for hot varieties so he could name his cuttings accordingly and sell regardless of what they actually were. Seems this immoral practice has caught on again. This guy should be dumped from ebay and the forum People, only source figs from reputable sellers or forum members, not fly by night newbies looking for a quick buck
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You can never truly get rid of anyone. They can look without posting or even being a member, register under a new name, change there IP addess, be online as invisible. EBay has to many users to truly police, the just get a new PayPal and email account, use neighbor or relatives address, I'm sure you can use a PO box. In this day and age, online, you can be anyone and live anywhere you want. You can be a 600 pound guy from Daluth today and a super model in Bel Air tomorrow. And Few people have the resources, the time or care enogh to validate your info. If it's online, trust no-one for any reason or at any time until proven otherwise. Sad but true, I go with guilty untill proven otherwise, and still don't trust then. The first go order may be great to lower your suspicions, then whamo..... another victim. Just saying heads up, eyes and ears open. Know whom you are dealing with. Be vigilant, head always on a swivel and Harvey watching all of our backs.
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Update - I had a member confirm to me that eBay seller svet_vasyl-2008 is also linked to the same PayPal account mentioned in my post #99. So "Kate" (and associates?) has a PayPal account that is associated with at least the following four eBay accounts: atskor10 (formerly atskor8) of Brooklyn, NY korina77-2008 of Brooklyn, NY korina-2009 of Moscow, PA svet_vasyl-2008 of Moscow, PA I have seen a copy of a shipping label for cuttings sent by svet_vasyl-2008 and the name is different than that used by atskor10/atskor8. I don't know if this is a Russian fig mafia ring or what sort of relationship these sellers as well as 2014.gulen have with one another but I suggest avoiding all of these sellers unless they can provide some good explanation of what is going on. To make it easier to locate significant findings, I've provide links to these pots as an edit to my original post of this thread. Edit 1/17: It appears likely that eBay user 77peony of Moscow, CA is another eBay user that is part of this group.
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