--- Black Mission TJ seedling airlayers

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greenfig

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Posted 1418148741 · Edited	Reply with quote #1

My seedling (caprifig), featured over here: http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/from-a-seed-to-a-fig-in-18-months-ripe-photos-added-7026492?&trail=50 is generous enough to provide a few airlayers. One has 3 figs, probably with few wasps, another has buds but no figs. I also setup an airlayer to shorten the main trunk, a 1 gal pot on a stand. I am surprised on how think the visible roots are. About 3 matches! They should grow very nicely. The airpayers were setup on Oct.20, now is Dec.8. Not bad for a relatively cold weather. Attached Images air4.JPG (223.19 KB, 77 views) air1.JPG (251.39 KB, 73 views) air2.JPG (274.10 KB, 78 views) air3.JPG (266.41 KB, 69 views) air6.JPG (207.04 KB, 66 views) __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

donpaid

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Posted 1418149382	Reply with quote #2

Very cool greenfig! Are you going to keep the caprifig around to help pollinate your other fig trees?

greenfig

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Posted 1418150681	Reply with quote #3

I am keeping the top of the tree in 1 gal pot and the side branches are going to the East coast. __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

rcantor

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Posted 1418151248	Reply with quote #4

Congratulations! If another fig forms would you cover it with an organza bag when it first forms to see if it's persistent? __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

greenfig

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Posted 1418155699	Reply with quote #5

Sure, how small the fig is supposed to be? __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

rcantor

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Posted 1418160058	Reply with quote #6

As soon as it forms a neck. Lampo would know better than I would. From what he's said before the figs are smaller than I thought they'd be when the wasps enter them. They're safe until about 3/8" or so from what I remember. I'll page him :) __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

greenfig

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Posted 1418160876	Reply with quote #7

3/8"! That's tiny. I will keep an eye. __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

donpaid

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Posted 1418162190	Reply with quote #8

If the fig is too small for a bag to fit over it, it might be easier to put a piece of tape over the eye, or maybe to even seal it with some type of adhesive/glue. I really hope it turns out to be a persistent caprifig.

greenfig

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Posted 1418163870 · Edited	Reply with quote #9

A good suggestion, donpaid! I guess, I will have to be creative with this and keep a diary :) __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

Speedmaster

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Posted 1418192455	Reply with quote #10

What is the difference between a persistant and not? __________________ Weather: Winter: 10C+ Summer: 42C+ Growing: Syrian Unk., Atreano, Egyptian Unk., Lebanese Unk., Col de dame Gris, Beall, Negronne, Ronde de bordeaux, Brogiotto Bianco Wish List: Panache.

donpaid

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Posted 1418194650 · Edited	Reply with quote #11

Speedmaster, A persistent caprifig will produce "ripe" figs even if it is not pollinated by the fig wasp (think of it as a common caprifig: persistent = common). A non-persistent caprifig will produce NO "ripe" figs, UNLESS it's pollinated by the fig wasp (think of it as a smyrna caprifig: non-persistent = smyrna). It's important to find out if it is persistent or non-persistent because the persistence gene is only carried by the caprifig, NOT THE FEMALE FIG. Therefore, a non-persistent caprifig will have no persistent (common) offspring. Persistence (common fig) is important for every fig cultivator (the fig wasp is not around all the time to pollinate figs), but especially for those in areas without the fig wasp, who will need to grow common varieties in order to produce a crop. Persistent Caprifig + Persistent Fig = 1/2 persistent offspring + 1/2 non-persistent offspring Persistent Caprifig + Non-Persistent Fig = 1/2 persistent offspring + 1/2 non-persistent offspring Non-Persistent Caprifig + Non-Persistent Fig OR Persistent Fig = 1/1 non-persistent offspring Here is a very good online resource that explains all of this in great detail: http://waynesword.palomar.edu/arbimg10.htm#persistent In a way, I'm happy I was never required to learn about "Ficus Culture" in high school biology. Saying it's complicated is an understatement. But I hope I helped to answer your question.

greenfig

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Posted 1418245991	Reply with quote #12

A nice one, donpaid! I would add that the persistency is important to people who want to do some fig breeding/selection and grow the offsprings outside the wasp belt areas. Even manually: http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/fig-breeding-steps-5200745 If you need a caprifig only for pollination, you do not care what it is. __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

waynea

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Posted 1418254893	Reply with quote #13

Good info to post, I read waynesword a year or so ago but thought it must have been posted on F4F, guess not. Anyways, very informative, well scripted and colorful photos, diagrams and charts. Everyone should visit the thread even if you are like me....no wasps....no breeding... but the info is so interesting. Thanks for posting donspaid.

donpaid

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Posted 1418263497	Reply with quote #14

Quote: Originally Posted by greenfig If you need a caprifig only for pollination, you do not care what it is. greenfig, that is a very good point you made! waynea, it sure is interesting stuff! Phew...I'm so glad I'm not the only fig nerd :)

rcantor

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Posted 1418278680	Reply with quote #15

Lampo PMd me and confirmed that a wasp will enter a 1/2" fig. The problem with tape or glue is that it will either deform the fig as it grows which may cause it to drop off or it will crack/come off partially, letting wasps in. Persistent caprifigs wont fall off the tree even if no wasps enter. That's how you can tell you have a chance of getting common fig seedlings. __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

greenfig

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Posted 1418281586 · Edited	Reply with quote #16

Bob, Thanks for the note! So it seems the best way to protect the figlets would be the organza bags? I have many of those. As soon as the new figs appear, I will cover them. Although so far, they have appeared in a very tight cluster :( __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

Frankallen

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Posted 1418333932	Reply with quote #17

Greenfig...Congrats!! Looks like it going to be a beautiful Air layer! Good Job... Next year, I have enough Fig Trees I am going to try Air Layering! Thanks for the posting this! :) __________________ Frank from Bama- Zone 7-b Alabama .................................................... "Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever". Mahatma Gandhi

jdsfrance

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Posted 1418336785	Reply with quote #18

Hi Greenfig, I've got a much efficient protection : send one tree to a no wasp-zone ... like a location in Zone7 . __________________ ------------------------ Climate from -25°C to + 35°C Only cold hardy figtrees can make it here

greenfig

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Posted 1418339513	Reply with quote #19

Quote: Originally Posted by jdsfrance Hi Greenfig, I've got a much efficient protection : send one tree to a no wasp-zone ... like a location in Zone7 . That was what I was going to do! As I mentioned, the layers are to be shipped to the East coast soon. __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

greenfig

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Posted 1418339571	Reply with quote #20

Quote: Originally Posted by Frankallen Greenfig...Congrats!! Looks like it going to be a beautiful Air layer! Good Job... Next year, I have enough Fig Trees I am going to try Air Layering! Thanks for the posting this! :) Frank, Go for it! Much-much easier than rooting and babying the cuttings! Air layering is basically set it and forget it! __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

rcantor

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Posted 1418340339	Reply with quote #21

You only need to do 1 or 2. Let the rest get some wasps who want to travel and see the Eastern US. __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

Speedmaster

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Posted 1418360124	Reply with quote #22

Thanks Don, So for me to manually pollinate some figs I need persistant so they can produce pollen without the wasp. Wow, I didnt know that caprifigs need the wasp to produce pollen. Thanks! __________________ Weather: Winter: 10C+ Summer: 42C+ Growing: Syrian Unk., Atreano, Egyptian Unk., Lebanese Unk., Col de dame Gris, Beall, Negronne, Ronde de bordeaux, Brogiotto Bianco Wish List: Panache.

donpaid

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Posted 1418361334 · Edited	Reply with quote #23

Speedmaster, You're correct. If you don't have the wasp in your area and you want to manually pollinate your figs, you need persistent caprifigs. And you're very welcome! You aught to thank rcantor and greenfig too :) also, there are many other posts with great information on this subject by lampo and a few other forum users. best of luck!

rcantor

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Posted 1418421570	Reply with quote #24

Caprifigs don't require wasps to produce pollen unless they fall off the tree too early without wasps. I'm not 100% sure you can't get pollen without wasps from a caducous (non-persistent) plant. Here's a primary source with links to other articles. You could send that in as a question. http://waynesword.palomar.edu/pljun99b.htm __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

greenfig

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Posted 1419837403	Reply with quote #25

I separated that airlayer with figs 9 days ago and it is still kicking! :) The figs are still on and they are firm. I hope they will ripen. I went tonight to check on the mother tree and got a surprise. One of the figs is getting ripe and looked super blue in the light of my headlight. The photo taken was without any flash. Very cool! It is not even soft yet, might need another week or more. Attached Images airFigs.JPG (139.62 KB, 21 views) __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

greenfig

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Posted 1419929198	Reply with quote #26

That's funny. I keep seeing on the main page that the last post was done by Calvin but inside the thread I see none, for 15 hours. Is this a software bug?... __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

Charlie

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Posted 1419942655	Reply with quote #27

I noticed a delay in some things yesterday. Nice fig! :) __________________ Zone 7A ~ Fort Smith area Arkansas

rcantor

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Posted 1419953235	Reply with quote #28

It is a beautiful fig! Some of that blueness is, if I'm not mistaken, because you're using an LED light. The ones used the most tend to have a bluish cast which can cause a small amount of fluorescence from some of the antioxidants in the skin. Maybe next year you can do a big a/l for me and send it when its dormant but full of figs (a few) so I can haz wasp. I'll gladly pay postage plus. Even if it's not persistent I can use it as a source. Thanks for thinking about it! __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

greenfig

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Posted 1419957027	Reply with quote #29

Quote: Originally Posted by rcantor It is a beautiful fig! Some of that blueness is, if I'm not mistaken, because you're using an LED light. The ones used the most tend to have a bluish cast which can cause a small amount of fluorescence from some of the antioxidants in the skin. Maybe next year you can do a big a/l for me and send it when its dormant but full of figs (a few) so I can haz wasp. I'll gladly pay postage plus. Even if it's not persistent I can use it as a source. Thanks for thinking about it! Bob, I will keep in mind the a/l. The one pictured in 1 gal is already claimed and flying East when the weather gets warmer. __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

greenfig

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Posted 1421213697 · Edited	Reply with quote #30

The fig dropped the leaves finally and now it looks kind of funny :) On the other hand, almost every node has a tiny figlet. I wish my regular figs were so productive. Attached Images layer1.JPG (261.55 KB, 19 views) layer2.JPG (152.71 KB, 17 views) __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

Aaron4USA

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Posted 1421215057 · Edited	Reply with quote #31

Beautiful Mamme Capri figs Igor, they will pass the Wasp colonies into Profichi, which you see bellow (tiny ones) in early Spring. Profichi is the type of Capri that will pollinate your eatable female figs. I hope you didn't Air-Layer the top of the tree, that will end the life of the Wasp colony, LOL

donpaid

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Posted 1421215942	Reply with quote #32

Beautiful color indeed!

greenfig

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Posted 1421217206	Reply with quote #33

Aaron, Yes, the top 3 feet is being airlayered too, please see the photos at the top of the thread. It is too tall otherwise. It is amazing that 2 years ago this tree was a seed! I do not think it will do anything to the fig production though. On the contrary, after the AL was setup, the plants started growing better! __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

Aaron4USA

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Posted 1421221492 · Edited	Reply with quote #34

ok, i see it... the Profichi are safe... along with Mamme on top of them. I'll take the AL thank you !

greenfig

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Posted 1421233066	Reply with quote #35

No, the AL is mine :) It is special to me, my first baby fig and it is reliably producing! __________________ wish list: Violeta, Calderona. USDA z 10a, SoCal

rcantor

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Posted 1421245339	Reply with quote #36

Aaron, get in line :) Congratulations, Igor! __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

Aaron4USA

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Posted 1421267314	Reply with quote #37

OL, I don't blame you Igor. I feel that way with my 7year old tree which is from a seed that finally fruited this year...i'm AL-ing it and no one will get it.

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