My Black Madeira Cuttings Died :'(

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Speedmaster

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Posted 1423908430	Reply with quote #1

Hi, I dont know what happened there are small worms everywhere and they only attacked me black madiras and the growth died. I thought they were dropping leaves because of temperatures but then the growth died so I pulled them to see an infestation of small white worms eating the cuttings! They attacked only my BM!!! __________________ Weather: Winter: 10C+ Summer: 42C+ Growing: Syrian Unk., Atreano, Egyptian Unk., Lebanese Unk., Col de dame Gris, Beall, Negronne, Ronde de bordeaux, Brogiotto Bianco Wish List: Panache.

elin

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Posted 1423909605	Reply with quote #2

If any buds are viable maybe you can bud graft them? __________________ Eli ,Israel ,Zone 10? Too humid and hot, yada yada yada https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1298814119 Growing: Sbayi, Hmadi, Black Portugal, Black Brazil,Excell, Flanders, Hmari , RDB, Niagra Black,Natalina, CDDN,Maya, Preto Torres, Preto Arge

Speedmaster

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Posted 1423910723	Reply with quote #3

Will try that I think I will graft any bud I can find until they grow. I hope there are live buds. thanks!! __________________ Weather: Winter: 10C+ Summer: 42C+ Growing: Syrian Unk., Atreano, Egyptian Unk., Lebanese Unk., Col de dame Gris, Beall, Negronne, Ronde de bordeaux, Brogiotto Bianco Wish List: Panache.

Speedmaster

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Posted 1423914339	Reply with quote #4

all buds were dead and worms were coming out of them. They seem to have attacked the buds... I removed some bark and grafted it to another tree hoping that it will grow. I took the bark from where you expect roots to form in the joint between areas where buds are. Hopefully they live and form buds. I grafted them where buds used to be in the branch and removed all the buds srom my stock branch. __________________ Weather: Winter: 10C+ Summer: 42C+ Growing: Syrian Unk., Atreano, Egyptian Unk., Lebanese Unk., Col de dame Gris, Beall, Negronne, Ronde de bordeaux, Brogiotto Bianco Wish List: Panache.

elin

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Posted 1423914889	Reply with quote #5

I dont think it can form a bud but still worth a try. WaTch this thread http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/chipbud-grafting-4743760 Hope youl save it. __________________ Eli ,Israel ,Zone 10? Too humid and hot, yada yada yada https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1298814119 Growing: Sbayi, Hmadi, Black Portugal, Black Brazil,Excell, Flanders, Hmari , RDB, Niagra Black,Natalina, CDDN,Maya, Preto Torres, Preto Arge

HarveyC

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Posted 1423916948	Reply with quote #6

The white worms are most like from fungus gnats. You can prevent them with pesticides and over-watering attracts them even more, it seems. I've never seen works on cuttings above soil level. Are these cuttings stuck in pots? A photo would be helpful. As Eli wrote, if you had any good bunds remaining a grafting would have been the best way to save what you have. Black Madeira are slow to root usually so it's best to be very careful to avoid over-watering. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

Speedmaster

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Posted 1423919139	Reply with quote #7

I was away camping and someone did over water them. They died in only 4 days :( They were in pots I removed them so they do not infect my other figs. __________________ Weather: Winter: 10C+ Summer: 42C+ Growing: Syrian Unk., Atreano, Egyptian Unk., Lebanese Unk., Col de dame Gris, Beall, Negronne, Ronde de bordeaux, Brogiotto Bianco Wish List: Panache.

elin

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Posted 1423920030 · Edited	Reply with quote #8

Thats why i think its all karma when rooting cuttings. The cuttings knew you werent home ... __________________ Eli ,Israel ,Zone 10? Too humid and hot, yada yada yada https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1298814119 Growing: Sbayi, Hmadi, Black Portugal, Black Brazil,Excell, Flanders, Hmari , RDB, Niagra Black,Natalina, CDDN,Maya, Preto Torres, Preto Arge

DesertDance

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Posted 1423925771	Reply with quote #9

Good luck to you. If you see any fungus gnats around your remaining cuttings, it may be too late. One adult can lay thousands of eggs. They love damp soil, and I learned to put an inch of sand on top. They hate sand, but will enter through holes at the bottom too. When the eggs hatch, the larvae eat roots to survive. Then they suddenly start hatching and you may see swarms of adults flying around. When I water, I use BT in the water, which kills the larvae. I just got so over fungus gnats, I only root mine outside in dirt now. They don't bother those cuttings. Suzi __________________ Zone 9b, Southern California. "First year they sleep, Second year they creep, Third year they leap!" Wish List: I wish all of you happy fig collecting! My wishes have been fulfilled!

Speedmaster

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Posted 1423926763 · Edited	Reply with quote #10

I guess I should wait and see if they are able to form buds like my other figs. Col de dame and RDB did form new buds, so I am still hopeful. I was not aware of gnats in my area... I guess you learn things from your mistakes. __________________ Weather: Winter: 10C+ Summer: 42C+ Growing: Syrian Unk., Atreano, Egyptian Unk., Lebanese Unk., Col de dame Gris, Beall, Negronne, Ronde de bordeaux, Brogiotto Bianco Wish List: Panache.

joann1536

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Posted 1423935930	Reply with quote #11

Fungus gnat larvae. I found one of my cuttings just like that yesterday. The batch of cuttings rooted so beautifully, too. :-(( __________________ USDA Zone 9b Wish list: Abruzzi, Pasquale, Tagliacozzo, Zingarella, Godfather. Any unk Italian, especially from Abruzzo.

figpig_66

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Posted 1423949062	Reply with quote #12

Sounds like cabbage worms. I deal with them eating the roots. Malathyone. Water plants to keep them awY and to kill them. Doesnt hurt plants, __________________ RICHIE BONI HICKORY LOUISIANA ZONE 8B WARM HUMID WINRERS ARE VERY MILD LOW 20'S BUT WARMS RIGHT UP DURING THE DAY. SUMMER IS EXTREMELY HOT & HUMID 100 degrees 100% humidity fig tree grow like crazy but some split from rain & humidity Wish list. Col de dame blanc Col de rimada Lsu numbered figs

needaclone

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Posted 1423951530	Reply with quote #13

They could be anything. We need pictures! Jim __________________ Clarksburg, NJ - Zone 6b Wishlist - A wise man recommended: Nero600M . Malta Black . Tacoma (Takoma) Violet . Gino's . Adriatic JH . Vista Mission . Florea . Atreano . ...also...RdB, Bethlehem Black, Negronne, Grise de St. Jean, Livano, Col de Dame Blanc/Gris/Noir, Vasilika Sika, Longue D'Aout, Italian 258, Pennsylvania 6-5000

AltadenaMara

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Posted 1423966846	Reply with quote #14

I'm sorry to hear that Speedmaster. Black Madeira is one of the fig trees on my wish list. Somewhere on one of the fig forums someone posted that BM was one of the hardest varieties to root from cuttings and advised to not even try. So you won't be the first person to lose cuttings. I decided to wait for a BM cutting already rooted to pop up on eBay, even if I have to pay a little more. Best of luck in the future. __________________ Mara Southern California Zone 1990= 9b 2012= 10a 2020=?

Hershell

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Posted 1423967238 · Edited	Reply with quote #15

Funny that it difficult for some. Black Maderia has been easy for me so far, now if I can just get them potted up. Now I -258 is another story. I'm still sorry to hear your bad news, I've thrown a few varieties out in the past few weeks but most have done very well. It could just be the cuttings, or not. __________________ Hershell Zone 8. Ray City, Ga.

Speedmaster

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Posted 1423983288	Reply with quote #16

They were rooting fine :( they had leave and all... sorry I killed everything before I took any pictures. those worms were white and a little transparent with a black line from thir head to end. atleast I still have CDD... __________________ Weather: Winter: 10C+ Summer: 42C+ Growing: Syrian Unk., Atreano, Egyptian Unk., Lebanese Unk., Col de dame Gris, Beall, Negronne, Ronde de bordeaux, Brogiotto Bianco Wish List: Panache.

brianm

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Posted 1424021890	Reply with quote #17

GNATS MUST DIE!! __________________ Wish list: Galicia Negra,UC Davis Black Ischia, Maltese Raven

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