Black Madiera Leaves question

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potatochips101

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Posted 1430312415	Reply with quote #1

Hi Folks Happy Spring 2015, Question for you, I bought a black Madeira fig tree from Just Fruits and Exotics plant nursery last year it has finally begun to sprout leaves. The leaves on this tree do not have the characteristic wide palm shaped leaves that I have seen of black Madeira trees pictures such as from this forum's member pics. This includes the now rooted cutting that I got from UC Davis. My UC Davis BM does have the characteristic palm shaped leaf. The tree in question from Just Fruits and Exotics has a cross like shaped set of three leaf lobes on the leaf instead of one round palm shape I'm wondering if I have a variance of a black Madeira fig tree (trying to remain hopeful) or if I simply do not have a black Madeira fig tree (bummer). If someone can please tell me how to post a picture I'll be glad to do it. Thanks in advance. __________________ Maryland Zone 7a Seeking: Panache Tiger Stripe, Ronde De Bordeaux,Black Bethlehem, Sicilian Red, Malta Black, Gino's Black, Col de Dame gris, Figo Preto, Orphan, Black Mission, Macool,Pastilliere, Malta Black, Battalagia Green, Maltese Falcon, Galicia Please PM me if you have any of the above rooted cuttings or trees for sale or trade. I am new to collecting so I don't have much to trade as yet. Currently growing in containers: Brown Turkey, Atreano,Alma Violetta, English Brown Turkey, Celeste, JH Adriatic, LSU Purple, LSU Tiger, Banana, Early Violette, Stanford, Green Ischia, Violette Du Bordeaux, Mary Lane, Petite Negra, Hollier, Alma, Chicago Hardy, Sals Corleone, Black Madiera, Smith, Desert King, Negronne, St. Rita, Atreano Gold,

DatesNFigs

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Posted 1430313604	Reply with quote #2

Would you happen to have any pictures? It's difficult to say from description alone. My Black Maderia started from an Encanto cutting has wide leaves and shallow lobes, if that helps any. __________________ Drew Zone 7b - Queens NYC

ChrisK

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Posted 1430320458	Reply with quote #3

Lucky you to be able to get an established BM from a reputable place like that. Post a pic please but I wouldn't rush to panic! Young leaves on trees that come out of dormancy can be very illusive! Imagine if it turns out to be a Preto instead? Lol happy growing. __________________ ChrisK Atl GA Zone 7b-8a

potatochips101

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Posted 1430320719	Reply with quote #4

Thanks for responding DatesNFigs, Your leaf description sounds like what I've seen to be typical for Black Maderias. Sadly, I don't know how to post a picture on this forum it's not really clear on this site. __________________ Maryland Zone 7a Seeking: Panache Tiger Stripe, Ronde De Bordeaux,Black Bethlehem, Sicilian Red, Malta Black, Gino's Black, Col de Dame gris, Figo Preto, Orphan, Black Mission, Macool,Pastilliere, Malta Black, Battalagia Green, Maltese Falcon, Galicia Please PM me if you have any of the above rooted cuttings or trees for sale or trade. I am new to collecting so I don't have much to trade as yet. Currently growing in containers: Brown Turkey, Atreano,Alma Violetta, English Brown Turkey, Celeste, JH Adriatic, LSU Purple, LSU Tiger, Banana, Early Violette, Stanford, Green Ischia, Violette Du Bordeaux, Mary Lane, Petite Negra, Hollier, Alma, Chicago Hardy, Sals Corleone, Black Madiera, Smith, Desert King, Negronne, St. Rita, Atreano Gold,

ChrisK

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Posted 1430321253 · Edited	Reply with quote #5

On the bottom of the reply box ,press "more reply option" and then attach file. __________________ ChrisK Atl GA Zone 7b-8a

lampo

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Posted 1430323040 · Edited	Reply with quote #6

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/violeta-still-strong-6569728?highlight=violeta&pid=1281525606#post1281525606 Hello potatochips .. Thank you for your wishes. This link does not lead you to a description of Black Madeira as such.. but to a report on the fruiting and leaves as well, from the 'father' of Black Madeira, the Portuguese Common variety Violeta. I am strongly convinced that Black Madeira is synonymous to Violeta. There you have the various contours of their leaves as well as the fruit. Francisco Portugal

johnnyq627

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Posted 1430350407	Reply with quote #7

These are the three main leaf shapes on my Black Madeira: The single lobe is the most common by far, especially on my older 6ft tree. __________________ Nick- Youtube: PA Figs \| eBay: tdepoala Zone 6B/7A - Douglassville, PA Wish list - Galicia Negra, Paritjal Rimada, Black Ischia UCD

pitangadiego

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Posted 1430370881	Reply with quote #8

Any tree can have single lobes leaves: they seem to be some sort of juvenile shape. Some trees have lots, some not so much, some seldom. See Here They can range from 3 lobes to 3 plus 2 semi-lobes in my experience, but need to have "fat" fingers. You may need to wait till the plant is a little more mature. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

FrozenJoe

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Posted 1430402919	Reply with quote #9

The leaves on Black Madeira should look like this. __________________ Joe Phoenix Area (Zone 9) I am MrFrozenJoe on YouTube. I am arizonafigs on eBay.

DatesNFigs

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Posted 1430404620	Reply with quote #10

Joe your Black Maderia is looking amazing, such vigorous growth for a tree that is a notorious slow grower. How many years have you had it for? __________________ Drew Zone 7b - Queens NYC

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potatochips101

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Posted 1430407055 · Edited	Reply with quote #12

Thanks to all of you for your kind, helpful responses. I really appreciate the care and efforts you all make on this forum to keep the culture and passion of fig growing a viable and satisfying endeavour. Hope this link for my tree works... http://s610.photobucket.com/user/liveforgodsglory/library/Mobile%20Uploads __________________ Maryland Zone 7a Seeking: Panache Tiger Stripe, Ronde De Bordeaux,Black Bethlehem, Sicilian Red, Malta Black, Gino's Black, Col de Dame gris, Figo Preto, Orphan, Black Mission, Macool,Pastilliere, Malta Black, Battalagia Green, Maltese Falcon, Galicia Please PM me if you have any of the above rooted cuttings or trees for sale or trade. I am new to collecting so I don't have much to trade as yet. Currently growing in containers: Brown Turkey, Atreano,Alma Violetta, English Brown Turkey, Celeste, JH Adriatic, LSU Purple, LSU Tiger, Banana, Early Violette, Stanford, Green Ischia, Violette Du Bordeaux, Mary Lane, Petite Negra, Hollier, Alma, Chicago Hardy, Sals Corleone, Black Madiera, Smith, Desert King, Negronne, St. Rita, Atreano Gold,

snaglpus

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Posted 1430409717	Reply with quote #13

It's really too early to tell. I have 3 of JF&E's Black Madeiras growing in large SWPs. Black Maderia is a true dwarf so it will be interesting to see how these trees grow. I did call and talk to the owner of JF&E about their Black Maderia fig. He said it came from a very reliable source and is really a Black Maderia fig. More to come.... __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

potatochips101

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Posted 1430417341 · Edited	Reply with quote #14

Thanks Snaglpus, please do keep us updated. Due to replies shared on this post, I have seen some BMs with wide single lobes as well as three "fingers"vatieties. The one with three fingers tended to be "fat" like Jon indicated so maybe all is well. Do yours B. Mad. leaves look like mine? __________________ Maryland Zone 7a Seeking: Panache Tiger Stripe, Ronde De Bordeaux,Black Bethlehem, Sicilian Red, Malta Black, Gino's Black, Col de Dame gris, Figo Preto, Orphan, Black Mission, Macool,Pastilliere, Malta Black, Battalagia Green, Maltese Falcon, Galicia Please PM me if you have any of the above rooted cuttings or trees for sale or trade. I am new to collecting so I don't have much to trade as yet. Currently growing in containers: Brown Turkey, Atreano,Alma Violetta, English Brown Turkey, Celeste, JH Adriatic, LSU Purple, LSU Tiger, Banana, Early Violette, Stanford, Green Ischia, Violette Du Bordeaux, Mary Lane, Petite Negra, Hollier, Alma, Chicago Hardy, Sals Corleone, Black Madiera, Smith, Desert King, Negronne, St. Rita, Atreano Gold,

FrozenJoe

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Posted 1430432061	Reply with quote #15

Thanks Drew. I got that tree in the spring of 2011. It was a rooted air layer from Encanto Farms. I fertilize the trees in the spring with compost. They have full sun and get a good watering every 4th day. Most of the trees respond real well. __________________ Joe Phoenix Area (Zone 9) I am MrFrozenJoe on YouTube. I am arizonafigs on eBay.

Cajun

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Posted 1434463653	Reply with quote #16

I am a little worried about my Black Madeira at this point. I got it from a local guy, who got it from another local guy lol....But the leaves don't look right to me. The figs are developing slowly which is promising since it is known to take a long season. But the leaves do not look right at all to me. I will post pics when I can get some and let the experts say what they think...the tree is still young though, so maybe the leaves are just misshapen, or maybe I am over reacting... __________________ Cal - Brusly, LA Zone 9a

Rewton

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Posted 1434472725	Reply with quote #17

I'm skeptical that the Just Fruits and Exotics Black Madeira is the same as the UCD Black Madeira. Even with just rooted cuttings of the UCD B.M. I have never seen the sort of leaf shape that forum members show for JFE B.M. so I don't think it is a case of immature leaves. __________________ Steve MD zone 7a

Cajun

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Posted 1434473447	Reply with quote #18

So then I may have the JF&E B Mad and not the UCD B Mad...I wonder how different the fruits are.... __________________ Cal - Brusly, LA Zone 9a

brianm

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Posted 1434474087	Reply with quote #19

Black Madeira leaves are very distinct. Spade shape and some three lobe mixed in. Slow growing if from uc davis.there are pics of jf&e bmadeira and leaves are way off. Although it could be a great fig if it is from island of Madeira as stated. __________________ Wish list: Galicia Negra,UC Davis Black Ischia, Maltese Raven

potatochips101

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Posted 1434486194	Reply with quote #20

Well time will have to tell. My JF&E B.M. hardly has any spade shaped leaves- most of it's leaves are finger shaped whereas, my 2014 rooted cutting B.M. from UCD only has spade shaped leaves. Would be nice if the JF&E were a earlier fruiting strain or something but, at this point I don't see any fruit babies on it as yet. I did get it late fall of 2014 so maybe it'll do more next year. Just for comparison in age, height and production, I mention my Smith fig tree. My JF&E B.M. is about as tall (3 1/2 - 4 ft tall) as my Smith fig which I got it last year from JF&E. Last year the Smith barely pushed out three little figs they hardly ripened but they still tasted nice fruity, not clasically figgy in flavor and surprisingly sweet. They were kind of hard and still small but I couldn't let them drop with out trying them out. The Smith is supposed to be a late ripening tree and it does have plenty of fruit babies on it right now and like the JF&E BM, is in a seven gallon container. So maybe the JF&E will do similarly as far as production goes. __________________ Maryland Zone 7a Seeking: Panache Tiger Stripe, Ronde De Bordeaux,Black Bethlehem, Sicilian Red, Malta Black, Gino's Black, Col de Dame gris, Figo Preto, Orphan, Black Mission, Macool,Pastilliere, Malta Black, Battalagia Green, Maltese Falcon, Galicia Please PM me if you have any of the above rooted cuttings or trees for sale or trade. I am new to collecting so I don't have much to trade as yet. Currently growing in containers: Brown Turkey, Atreano,Alma Violetta, English Brown Turkey, Celeste, JH Adriatic, LSU Purple, LSU Tiger, Banana, Early Violette, Stanford, Green Ischia, Violette Du Bordeaux, Mary Lane, Petite Negra, Hollier, Alma, Chicago Hardy, Sals Corleone, Black Madiera, Smith, Desert King, Negronne, St. Rita, Atreano Gold,

Cajun

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Posted 1434511766	Reply with quote #21

Here is my Black Madeira...thoughts on leaves? They look a little fatter fingered than I thought, but still not quite right to me... Attached Images image.jpg (616.90 KB, 88 views) __________________ Cal - Brusly, LA Zone 9a

brianm

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Posted 1434515724	Reply with quote #22

Not Black Madeira. Leaves are definitely wrong. __________________ Wish list: Galicia Negra,UC Davis Black Ischia, Maltese Raven

Rewton

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Posted 1434538730	Reply with quote #23

Agree - definitely not a UCD Black Madeira. __________________ Steve MD zone 7a

Cajun

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Posted 1434544751	Reply with quote #24

Then maybe a JF&E Black Madeira? I guess I need to leave Black Madeira on my wish list until I acquire a UCD Black Madeira. Thanks for the info fellas... __________________ Cal - Brusly, LA Zone 9a

johnnyq627

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Posted 1434594803	Reply with quote #25

I am sure that what JFE is selling is NOT Black Madeira. Please do not call it JFE Black Madeira or anything similar as it will just cause confusion and likely mistakes in trading. Once some of our JFE trees ripen, we can figure out what they are. I should get some updated pics soon from my brother in law in Georgia. As of a couple of weeks ago, his figs were still pretty small, but I imagine he is a good month ahead of most of us. __________________ Nick- Youtube: PA Figs \| eBay: tdepoala Zone 6B/7A - Douglassville, PA Wish list - Galicia Negra, Paritjal Rimada, Black Ischia UCD

johnnyq627

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Posted 1434595234	Reply with quote #26

Here are the pics from a couple of weeks ago of my Brother's tree from JFE... __________________ Nick- Youtube: PA Figs \| eBay: tdepoala Zone 6B/7A - Douglassville, PA Wish list - Galicia Negra, Paritjal Rimada, Black Ischia UCD

Cajun

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Posted 1434595510	Reply with quote #27

Looks mighty familiar lol. Well my tree came apparently from ebay, and now I suspect that it originated from jfe... __________________ Cal - Brusly, LA Zone 9a

johnnyq627

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Posted 1434596231	Reply with quote #28

I reached out to JFE via email and will update everyone if I hear anything back. __________________ Nick- Youtube: PA Figs \| eBay: tdepoala Zone 6B/7A - Douglassville, PA Wish list - Galicia Negra, Paritjal Rimada, Black Ischia UCD

FiggyFrank

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Posted 1434636776	Reply with quote #29

Good luck. I agree, does not look like BM leaves. __________________ Frank zone 7a - VA

snaglpus

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Posted 1434646070	Reply with quote #30

Wow! You guys crack me up! Did you guys read all the comments from beginning to the end? Did you look at the leaves posted by KK? __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

brianm

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Posted 1434652772	Reply with quote #31

Lol that's funny. My reason for not thinking its BM is the lack of spade and three lobed leaves shown in pictures. As long as we are comparing UC Davis specimen. __________________ Wish list: Galicia Negra,UC Davis Black Ischia, Maltese Raven

AL_Blake

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Posted 1434656134	Reply with quote #32

I have two from JF&E and the leaves look VERY much like the ones KK posted. __________________ Blake ZONE 8A AL Wish list--Want to buy-- Native Black (Becnel farm), Figo Preto, LSU (Red, St. Gabriel Black, Scott's Yellow, Late Black, #156, #5), CDD B/G/N, Excel, Texas BA-1, RDB, Nero 600m, Sal's Corleone (Belleclare Nursery variety); Cajun Gold

tmc2009

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Posted 1434674932	Reply with quote #33

The JF&E is not UCDavis black Madeira in my opinion. You have to ask yourself how they could produce enough plants for retail sale when it is hard enough getting cuttings and then getting them to a mature enough size so you can produce more cuttings. If they bought cuttings on ebay for top dollar they would not just turn around and sell a successfully rooted cutting at a low price. If they are using tissue culture it still takes time to produce a plant. It's a relatively short period of time that has passed that this has become a popular variety to have. __________________ Tom Massachusetts Zone 6b

johnnyq627

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Posted 1434677601	Reply with quote #34

Ok I have an update. Brandy at JF&E contacted me today in repsonse to my email. She was extremely nice and very upset about the mix up. She provided me a copy of her USDA receipt from 2008, to show the authenticity of their Black Madeira. She also provided a picture of their mother plant: There were also two pictures of child plants: The pictures she provided look exactly like Black Madeira. Brandy was also very insistent that JF&E has a strong "true to name" gaurantee. I told her my Brother's tree was healthy, so no need for a refund, but that I would like to purchase another true Black Madeira. She insisted that I not pay since I did not get the correct variety. Mistakes happen. Sometimes cuttings get dropped, swapped, confused, etc. The important thing is once realized, the seller makes good. Two important things to note: 1) JF&E appears to have a true Black Madeira UCD 2) There was a mixup with at least a couple of their trees 3) They are willing to ensure their customers are happy I will report back when I receive the replacement tree next week. __________________ Nick- Youtube: PA Figs \| eBay: tdepoala Zone 6B/7A - Douglassville, PA Wish list - Galicia Negra, Paritjal Rimada, Black Ischia UCD

HarveyC

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Posted 1434696356	Reply with quote #35

Dennis, glad you are having fun and laughing! :) Keith posted photos of various leaf shapes but not a description/story behind that photo. It's definitely hard to say anything for sure just based on leaf shape but apparent discrepancies should not be ignored. I mostly have spade and 3 lobe leaves on the three BM trees I have in ground (as well as the two Figo Preto). The leaves posted by Nick in post #26 are consistently different than what we have come to expect for BM. I think keeping an open mind is good but I think it is good to have an open discussion of observations. I have had my fair share of leaf shape surprises of other varieties. One friend who is growing a tree acquired from me mentioned recently that the leaf shape is different this year than last. I started a thread last year asking for input on ideas of things that might affect leaf shape. Essentially no progress was made with that discussion. Nick, thanks for the update. Good to hear that JF&E takes a great approach on the true to name guarantee. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

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Posted 1434715223	Reply with quote #36

Harvey, at the risk of taking this thread a bit off topic my CdDN cutting rooted in Winter 2014 had spade (single lobed) leaves all during its first season and at the beginning of this season. Within the past month it transitioned to 5 lobed leaves characteristic of a Col de Dame. I've never heard of UCD Black Madeira doing this this and haven't observed it in my own tree (though very early on there does seem to be a transition from single lobed to three-lobed leaves). Then again, it's hard to totally rule out at this juncture that there is something about the way JF&E is propagating their trees that causes leaf morphology to change. I'll believe it when I see it. It will be interesting to see what the fruit looks like from the JF&E trees. __________________ Steve MD zone 7a

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Posted 1434744126 · Edited	Reply with quote #37

Steve, that's the sort of thing I was talking about. Still, based on Phil's comments at http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1285126587&postcount=4 I'd say the odds are against it just being a change in leaf shape. Quote: Originally Posted by strudeldog Last year JF&E had some young Black Madeira started that I am pretty certain were not as Labeled. I think highly of the nursery and have bought a lot of plants from them, but I just want to put some input here. I was there last fall in their growing area and saw a couple small weak 3 gal BM that looked correct. I asked Brandy the owner about them, and she said had a bunch of better ones. When she showed them to me I told her those sure didn’t look like BM. The wood for these she had obtained from someone else that she listed by name. I don’t know the person, but am familiar with their name from NAFEX and SFF, as far as I know never saw them on the fig forums. Brandy also showed me a potted mother tree they had started from UC Davis USDA, and it looked correct. The couple weaker looking plants were not with the other young plants and the started dates that JF&E uses on their tags was older. I purchased one of these and this year it was dead on to my own BM started from UC Davis. At that time I was there I convinced Brandy after she did some looking online that the others were not BM and she was going to remove the BM Labeling. I obviously can't’state for certain what they have now is not true, and sure don’t want to badmouth a nursery where I have spent more money than any other, and will purchase from again. The person Brandy got the cuttings from is respected as well, but we all know how easy it is to obtain a mislabeled fig, so just putting this out there so folks are not surprised if they turn out not true. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

potatochips101

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Posted 1434888859 · Edited	Reply with quote #38

Update on my Black Madeira Mystery The Black Madiera that I got from JF & E has been confirmed not to be an actual Black Madeira. I wrote them with my inquiry and sent them some pictures and Brandy graciously and sadly confirmed my suspicions. At the moment we don't know what tree this imposter fig is but, at least its leaves don't look like any of my Brown Turkey's so, I'll keep it and pet it until it bears something tangible. :) They are working on making this right so, I'm willing to be patient. Mistakes happen and some vendors would rather fight than make good. Glad JF& E is at least trying to make good. Fig collecting is not for the easily dismayed. __________________ Maryland Zone 7a Seeking: Panache Tiger Stripe, Ronde De Bordeaux,Black Bethlehem, Sicilian Red, Malta Black, Gino's Black, Col de Dame gris, Figo Preto, Orphan, Black Mission, Macool,Pastilliere, Malta Black, Battalagia Green, Maltese Falcon, Galicia Please PM me if you have any of the above rooted cuttings or trees for sale or trade. I am new to collecting so I don't have much to trade as yet. Currently growing in containers: Brown Turkey, Atreano,Alma Violetta, English Brown Turkey, Celeste, JH Adriatic, LSU Purple, LSU Tiger, Banana, Early Violette, Stanford, Green Ischia, Violette Du Bordeaux, Mary Lane, Petite Negra, Hollier, Alma, Chicago Hardy, Sals Corleone, Black Madiera, Smith, Desert King, Negronne, St. Rita, Atreano Gold,

AL_Blake

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Posted 1434928225	Reply with quote #39

I've emailed them also with pictures of my 2 I bought from them. Will update on response to the situation. I should note it's my first mix up with them in over 4 years and close to a thousand dollars spent at their nursery. __________________ Blake ZONE 8A AL Wish list--Want to buy-- Native Black (Becnel farm), Figo Preto, LSU (Red, St. Gabriel Black, Scott's Yellow, Late Black, #156, #5), CDD B/G/N, Excel, Texas BA-1, RDB, Nero 600m, Sal's Corleone (Belleclare Nursery variety); Cajun Gold

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Posted 1443515266	Reply with quote #40

This goes out to all the people that have bought Black Madeira figs from our nursery Just Fruits and Exotics. We would like to apologize for the mix up with the Black Madeira figs last year. It is our policy to only sell true to name fruit trees and our reputation relies on it. We have contacted all of the people that received figs from us that we were able to locate, to offer refunds. If there are any we missed, please contact us so that we can rectify the problem. We have been selling fruit trees for over 37 years and have a good track record for getting it right. When we don’t get it right we own up to it and work to make it right. We’d like to thank all the people that have made positive comments on this thread about us. We hope to serve you in the future.

snaglpus

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Posted 1443538284	Reply with quote #41

Thanks Brandy! A real class act! __________________ Dennis Charlotte, North Carolina/Zone 8a

waynea

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Posted 1443544260	Reply with quote #42

Just F & E is a great source for plants, very trustworthy and honest. Just be happy your plants did not come from one of the infamous nurseries in Georgia. I have received plants/trees that never came out of dormancy(dead) or if they did, I had no clue of their true identity. Their policies for refunds or replacements cost more than if you purchased locally and the nursery knows most buyers will chalk up the loss.

Sudyot

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Posted 1450241034	Reply with quote #43

Is anyone here who can share me a BM or sell it to me in a lower price?

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