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Today I got to try my first Black Madeira and CDDG. The BM was the best I've ever tasted by far. Much better than I thought it would be on a 5 month old tree.The CDDG was decent but I picked it a little too early. There is a ton of rain in the forecast, hopefully it doesn't ruin the other 25 or so figs on my BM.

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Looking good! 25 or 30 more BM is a bounty. Best of luck that the rain doesn't negatively impact your plants!

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Congrats! If the plant isn't too large you could move it on a covered deck until the rain is over/ normally I wouldn't think of putting that much effort into but I have heard how much effort members put into their Black Maderia. Fingers crossed for you that it all works out.
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I  just picked my very first black madeira today also. 10/10 for sure. 14203174_513737528836244_179176785351040158_n.jpg  14322774_513737688836228_1768493966126160758_n.jpg  14225599_513737665502897_4501072458538359692_n.jpg
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Posted Reply with quote  #6 
Where did you get your CdD Grise? That does not look like a Col de Dame. The neck is wrong and so is the pulp. Apparently there is a false strain of CdD Grise circulating. It still looks like a good fig though.
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I bought it from a respected member on here... Don't want to drop any names without more info. I can take pics of the leaves on Monday when I get back into town. For now, I can describe it a bit more. As I said before I did pick it before it was fully ripe. Two days before it was picked it was red. Then started getting purple/black and had a slight split. I do have a picture of a second one closer up. Though the half with the neck was already eaten.. I was just so excited and didn't think to take a picture until it was halfway gone.

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I never paid attention to it.. It's just an iPhone. Might be a little darker in person?
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If it's not CDDG, what could this be?
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Brandon, 25 figs on a 5 month old BM is really impressive! What did you do to get this result? I rooted some FP cuttings 5 months ago and only one has produced a fig. I'm not sure if it will ripen this year.
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I planted the BM in a 30 gal root pouch with a very well drained soil. Gave it liquid miracle grow for tomatoes and added Epsom salt. Watered every day. I pinched early in the summer regularly, but other than that, the Texas heat is probably what did it. I would have had more but I made 4 of the low branches into air layers. The air layers are all growing extremely fast too. The BM strain was from KK. He's got a very good type of BM. It grew way faster than ANY of my other 6 varieties.
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This is a cddg (vs) as ya'll put it on FB. Brandon got this from me and my source is very well respected member here, hopefully he will chime in.
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One more thing I can add from the convo between my cddg (vs) and I is that he also said this is the cddg he got from Gene Hosey's orchard. I know figs can look widely different depending on climates and the time of the season. It may very well be wrong but I don't think we need to let him speak, I know a lot of my cddg figs have thick necks until they ripen.
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We are looking at young plants producing fruits in different ,climates.
I had Marseilles black vs,producing fruits ,one year with very long neck and another year with short neck.
I have as we speak,Longue D'Aout,producing very long Banana type fruits this year,as main crop,and last year I have it documented, it was producing fruits with short neck, as main crop,and much more thicker than the fruits it will make this year.
I also had it 4 years ago, making very long fruits,and I have a pix to show that.
There was a long discussion on the forum about, Marseilles black vs , differences, as ,about long neck verses short neck, and it was the same fig.
Right now I have no time to look for the pixies, to show proof but I will come back later and add pictures, when I find them.

Here are pixies:
Marseilles black vs:

Longue D'Aout:

They are all Main crop,in different years starting from when trees were young ,2 years old +

Longue D'Aout ,green fruits taken today,and i can see they will be very long,with a long neck this year.

Fig tree is very variable year after year,even color ,exterior interior can be different,from one year to another.!

One fact does not change:Best cultivars,produce at least good tasting fruits in most climates.

Mediocre cultivars produce good fruits in ideal climates ,like Southern France ,and poor tasting,fruits in difficult ,or cool climates.

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Forgotten to mention,that even the leaves shapes changes from one year to another,and that is why is hard to always be right when ID fig trees.
Happy Gardening!

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Posted Reply with quote  #15 
Here are the fruits from 10 different MBVS trees all from the same mother and treated the same, so it is not necessarily the weather but the moods or particular circumstances of the trees themselves! 
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Herman2- Could you show a picture of your Col de Dame Gris? It is not spelled out here on this forum but apparently on "facebook" and ourfigs the allegation has been made that all of the CdDG you have distributed are not true to type, absurd to me, but believable to new growers/potential customers who do not know any better. Of course you would not be responsible for what a new seller (Quackmaster) distributes, even if they did purchase cuttings from you it does not prove anything, they could have bought 5 from you and sold 10 by relabeling another variety!

Quackmaster- we are all personally responsible for what we do, blaming someone else and dragging them through the mud because of a mistake YOU made is childish and dishonest.

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Hold up hoossierbanana, I am not blaming no one for the cuttings I shared. Everyone who approached me about this fig that I shared with did get an apology from me. I am so picky when I handle my cuttings so I am 100% sure that every cddg I shared did in fact come from Vasile. I've seen some people only handle two varieties at one time and mix them up so I only work with one variety at a time. I've read so many arguments on here because of people mislabling figs and I vowed to not be part of the problem , yes I am new to selling on ebay, which started at the beginning of this season but I am not new to my passion. I sent vasile pics of the very first ripe figs from my tree and then a week or so ago when all this came about and I've tried rationalizing this and looking at it from all sides but when no less then 6 people tell me my fig is wrong all, with pics to prove it all i can do is say I'm sorry for sharing it as such but 100% for a fact, and beyond any doubts I can say this is the fig I received and how it was labeled. I stopped posting here because too many people here think they are above others. I try to be neutral and fair with everyone but don't talk about me like I'm an irresponsible child. I've tried telling the rest that this was real but the more I did the more pics proved otherwise.
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And further more I was the ONLY one standing up for Vasile when numerous people was dropping his name in public I sure didn't until he made it known, so before you speak know the facts because THAT is childish.
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I did not mention his name in public here until he stepped forth so to say I was dragging his name through dirt is the furthest from the truth, I never blamed him for the cuttings I shared and took full responsibility for that so don't ever say I'm dishonest, I've been sharing figs for many years and if I ever shared one that I thought had the slightest chance of something not right it was shared with a full explanation of why I thought so. Since I've been laid off from my oil field job 7 months ago my trees I am selling now is the only income to support my wife and young child so I have no reason to be dishonest, I am trying to make a good name for my self not a bad one. I've seen you pick fights with people in the past that you believe you can get over but don't confuse my kindness for a weakness. I am for sure too honest for my own good,you know nothing about me to make those assumptions. So before you start calling names like a Grammer school bully, look in the mirror. All these years this is the first time I am completely offended and the first time I take anything personal, and it's due to the bully saying complete lies, normally I'd brush it off but if you are trying call me dishonest so I can't sell my trees out of your own jelousy issues then you are targeting my family and there is nothing more personal then that. With in the next few months my nursery will be open but until then all I have is my sales and I've done NOTHING even remotely close to give you the reason to call me dishonest and childish.
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I really don't like getting in the middle of arguments, but I just want to say that I've dealt with Ryan (Quackmaster) for years, and he is one of the few members of the fig community whom I trust very much.  Extremely great guy and would never deceive anyone intentionally.  Truly has a heart of gold.
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Well I certainly don't know the situation completely, since discussions are spread out around various places. I have not seen any of these pictures you talk about, but I have seen pictures that Herman2 posted on eBay of a proper looking CdDG. Perhaps Herman2 did mix something up, honest mistakes do happen, it is not his fault that it was "shared" for a profit past that point. 

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 It may very well be wrong but I don't think we need to let him speak, I know a lot of my cddg figs have thick necks until they ripen. 
 

Maybe I misunderstood your comment here. I took it to mean that Herman2 should not be involved in this discussion, and that was reinforced by more direct/open accusations elsewhere, where Herman2 may not see them. So I don't see that as respectful in the slightest. 

You will have plenty of support no doubt from others who also borrow the reputation of others for a profit!
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You did use his initials. 
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That wasn't done by me, this discussion is on 3 different sites and about 3 of the people trying to convince me that we all received a different variety added his initials, when I put it up top I said cddg (vs) as you'll call it on FB. And I even told vasile in the first pm thst they added his initials to the name.
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I am sorry for your financial situation Ryan. But this discussion taking place publicly could harm Herman2's sales, and he like all of us also has hardships. 
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I really don't like getting in the middle of arguments, but I just want to say that I've dealt with Ryan (Quackmaster) for years, and he is one of the few members of the fig community whom I trust very much.  Extremely great guy and would never deceive anyone intentionally.  Truly has a heart of gold.

Thank you Frank, I truly take pride in the honesty and good work ethics my dad taught me and the dicipline I learned in the army. When I work with my figs I have routine that I can not get mixed up.
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What unit were you in? 

3/325 here.
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I am sorry for your financial situation Ryan. But this discussion taking place publicly could harm Herman2's sales, and he like all of us also has hardships. 

I always thought it looked a little different but I just thought maybe that's just how it was, not until quite a few other sellers and collectors who all have the same as me from the same person told me we all have it wrong. I've said it a few times thay this fig is by far the best out of my whole collection this season so it deserves a good price and to be in everyone's collection so I sure don't want to affect anyone's sales especially Vasile in a bad way.
And I'm not asking for anyone to feel sorry for me because I am taking this opportunity to do what I love for a living. I just mentioned that so you would kniw that even if I wanted to I'm not in a situation to be anything but honest.
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What unit were you in? 

3/325 here.

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Well I certainly don't know the situation completely, since discussions are spread out around various places. I have not seen any of these pictures you talk about, but I have seen pictures that Herman2 posted on eBay of a proper looking CdDG. Perhaps Herman2 did mix something up, honest mistakes do happen, it is not his fault that it was "shared" for a profit past that point. 

 

Maybe I misunderstood your comment here. I took it to mean that Herman2 should not be involved in this discussion, and that was reinforced by more direct/open accusations elsewhere, where Herman2 may not see them. So I don't see that as respectful in the slightest. 

You will have plenty of support no doubt from others who also borrow the reputation of others for a profit!


That was a typo, I meant that he should speak. I don't quite understand what you mean about borrowing someone 's reputation , though
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I am sorry Ryan, I am really not here to beat on anyone. I have seen lots of changes to the fig world and I don't like many of them but you are not responsible. I haven't seen the facebook discussion so please understand how this was all confusing to me. I doubt I want to see it.

If it really is that good then maybe he is right and it looks completely different from ripening somewhat out of season in the south during hot weather. I don't really believe it either but it would not be the first time I was wrong.
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This is my passion, as most of you. I only have about 763or 764 post here, and until the last few post I made on the thread, so thats 735 or 736 post with out ever saying anything negative. Lol oh well, sorry to all the innocent bystanders caught in the crossfire, lol
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Ryan, thanks for this variety whatever it is. I got to try another one that was more ripe. It's top notch flavor-wise like you told me when I bought it. It's probably my favorite with BM and Adriatic JH runners up.
Ryan has sold me several trees and he shares the same passion that brings us all here. Accidents happen. I will continue buying from him as he is one of the best sellers on eBay. I just wanted to share some pictures of figs I was getting to try for the first time.. Did not think it would turn into this.
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The BM looks great and I'm waiting for mine to start to ripen. My 2nd year old tree ( from KK ) has about 15 figs on it and hoping I get to taste a few.
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Ryan, thanks for this variety whatever it is. I got to try another one that was more ripe. It's top notch flavor-wise like you told me when I bought it. It's probably my favorite with BM and Adriatic JH runners up.
Ryan has sold me several trees and he shares the same passion that brings us all here. Accidents happen. I will continue buying from him as he is one of the best sellers on eBay. I just wanted to share some pictures of figs I was getting to try for the first time.. Did not think it would turn into this.

Thank you Brandon and sorry for the thread hijack.
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Can't wait now, either.  Maybe next year...
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We are looking at young plants producing fruits in different ,climates.


Hello Vasile,

Could you please post some pictures of your CDD Gris from this season please.

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Of course i can ,but when it will ripe not now.
It did not ripe in 2014 and  15 also due to extremely harsh Winters.
The climate change did affect my area negatively,with cold Springs and very early cold nights in the Fall.
I will dig my late ripening figs out from in ground and  back in pots if i want ripe fruits in the future.

Edit note:I had ripe fruits on Sept 12 2010,from a Col de dame white ,in ground fig,in the past but not in the last few years.
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its looks great and good luck
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