timmy2green
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So I was sharing about figs the other day with a group of friends and two brothers were extremely excited that I grow figs. They're italian and their grandfather and father both absolutely love figs they tell me. But the only figs they know are the dried type. Their mom and grandma make fig pizza with preserves I guess but they were really excited as I described all the reasons I love figs. I told them the number one reason I love figs is the great stories behind the trees and how each tree has it's own history and own story that comes with it, much like every person. So that completely set us off on a long discussion about our heritages and how our families each came to this country. They asked me if I could get them a fig tree because they said they're all out of things to get their grandfather for his birthday which is coming up and they thought it would be the best gift he ever got if we gave him a young fig tree that he could grow and watch it grow in his garden. I told them while I could just give them a tree, how awesome would it be if we could find a variety from their grandfather's home town and they were so pumped up when I shared this idea. So I'm told their grandfather's father was from Calabria and mother from Caserta and mother's father from Campobasso. Does anyone have a good fruiting family heirloom variety that came from one of these locations that they could share? Keep in mind we live in upstate NY so it would have to fruit without the fig wasp and preferably somewhat early so they would get ripe fruit from it. I'm really excited about this. Thanks for your help. Timothy
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timmy2green
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Sadly I don't know Italian geography that well. I just googled the map and it appears Carini is in Sicily, which doesn't appear to be part of Calabria. I could be mistaken, maybe one of our fine Italian members could clarify this.
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timmy2green
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So is your fig from Caserta or is your friend named Caserta? The link confused me. Unfortunately you're in Canada so can't share I guess. Pretty sure there's a rule keeping us from sharing in and out of the US.
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Try Atreano which I think is at least Itallian.
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Try Atreano which I think is at least Itallian.
I have Italian cultivars and worst case scenario I'll give them an Italian fig from somewhere else. I just thought it would be really amazing and sentimental to be able to sort of create a connection between their Grandfather and his family's home soil by finding a fig from that same place. I know it's probably asking alot but I know we've got a huge Italian community on here that love their figs and I'm sure many have family heirlooms. It's just a matter of finding one from one of those 3 places. I know where I live up here in NY there are a few in the Italian community that grow figs but usually they just know them as there only being one or two varieties: dark and light because the cuttings get passed around. But usually the person who originally has the parent tree here in the US knows where it came from. So i just need to find someone with a parent tree that originally came from one of these places. I'm ever hopeful that I will find one! Timothy
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Some genuine Calabria figs; Dottato (mother of Kadota) Troiano Melanzana long (calabrese) (I think F4F guys named it Merdascuola no idea why since that means poop) Brogiotto Nero/Bianco (it is also found all over Italy)
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Calabria is a region. Caserta is a province(city with many small towns) in the region of Campania. Campobasso is also a province in the region of Molise ,used to be part of Abbruzzo (Abbruzzo e Molise). All 3 of this regions are in southern Italy i Have 3 figs from Caserta i'd be happy to sent you (no charge). do you know the specific town in Caserta? i may have the specific town, my wife comes from Alife small town of Caserta. please feel free to Email or PM
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timmy2green
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Thanks everyone for your help! I'm trying to get more info from my friends. I'll update this post as I get updates in the future. Mario I'm very thankful for your offer. As soon as I get more info on the specific towns their Grandfather's parents came from I'll send you a PM. I'm so excited about this! Timothy
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Today being Father's Day, I thought it would be the perfect day to update this post. 4 months ago when I reached out to the community for a big favor, Mario_1 answered the call and came through in a big way. I was able to pinpoint the location of my friend's family roots. I found out his Grandfather's Mother is from Caiazzo, Caserta in Italy. I also learned that the Grandfather, George Sr., holds his mother in the highest regard. Apparently he has a giant picture or painting of her hanging over the dining room table and they all eat under it whenever the family gets together. In addition to a geography lesson, Mario was able to locate two figs that he had that were from within 20 miles of Caiazzo and he mailed them to me and wouldn't take a thing in return. As I got to know Mario, I quickly realized this story was going to be special. The Grandfather and Mario both immigrated here from Italy, started constructions companies, worked hard and now are enjoying retirement. Shortly after Mario generously shipped me the two trees, he was asking around the Italian Community and was reminded that a certain fig that he already owned was actually from the Caiazzo. Again he sent another large package, this time sharing a couple heirloom fig trees for me and a number of cuttings, which included the special cutting of his Caiazzo fig. I was completely speechless, not only seeing this plan begin to take shape but the generosity was remarkable. I told him I would try to get the cutting to root in time for the birthday but I knew there was a good chance I would fail at rooting it or not get it rooted in time for the big day. I successfully rooted 2 of the cuttings and pampered them along. At this point, the brothers are asking me about the figs on a weekly basis and news is beginning to spread in our church about what we're up to. Finally the big day rolled around and I had one of the cuttings just barely hardened off with just a couple little leaves on it. So I prepared a box with the two trees from Caserta and the one small tree from Caiazzo. The birthday was Sunday so I stayed up until about 1am the night before writing a 1 page long note to go with the figs. It began by describing a little about the uniqueness of figs and how cuttings are an exact clone of the parent and how immigrants often carried a cutting with them as a way to bring a part of their home with them to the new destination. I then described the story of how the figs were sourced from Mario. Finally I described each of the 3 figs, describing the Caiazzo fig last. It said we saved the best for last and noted the source in the description. I also printed off care instructions. My wife then made them look nice with some scrapbooking skills. The next day I saw the whole family at church and realized this had truly become a family affair. They all knew about the figs and were excited to bring them to the birthday party for their grandfather, who had told them not to get him any presents because he felt like he already had all he wanted and there wasn't anything left they could get him that he couldn't just go out and get himself. However, this special gift had now become a gift from the entire family. I told them to take pictures and video so I could see his response and post about it. They had the party and the sons presented the box of figs to their Grandfather. Initially he was extremely excited and said “You got me a fig tree!!!” He began reading the write-up and was overjoyed. He made it most of the way through until he hit the part where it said the 3rd tree was from “Caiazzo, yes that’s right CAIAZZO” suddenly he completely lost it. They said a man who doesn’t usually show a great deal of emotion suddenly couldn’t even read another word because he was so undone with emotion. They actually had to take the note from him and finish reading it to him. They said he teared up and was extremely emotional the entire rest of the day. They couldn’t recall ever seeing him so happy and everyone agreed that this was hands down the best gift he had ever received.
They celebrated all day and George Sr. was constantly checking on his new connection to his homeland after all of these years. They all thanked me so much for the help and sent their thanks to everyone that played a part in this endeavor. They also sent pics and video. It was really touching. George Sr. came to my church last week and wanted to meet me to personally express his thanks. He said the trees are growing great. He has been growing them indoors in a window where he can see them all the time and baby them. I want to give a very special thanks to Mario and everyone on the forum for making stories like this possible!!! There are some really amazing people on this forum and I’m so glad to be a part of it. Pics will be up shortly.
Happy Father’s Day to all of the Fathers & Grandfathers out there!
Timothy
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timmy2green
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Wow! Truly great stuff here, thanks for sharing this.
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What a wonderful thing to do!
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Very nice story
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What a sweet story. So nice of our members. Joyce P>S> what a beautiful feast.
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There is a named fig called Caserta in my collection -- a vigorous tree, produces a small colored fig. Quality pretty good.
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Tim
Mario is one of the best guys I know, am glad to see your story and that he helped you. Also, besides Pino, there is Frank in Tallahassee, he is from Calabria and probably has many great Calabrian figs, including his San Donato. Anyway, probably too late but great story and glad you made that man so happy for fathers day. The forums have a way of making people feel great, and do great things, don't they?
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Very nice Timothy, glad I could help
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Great story Timothy. Thanks for sharing. I can also attest to Mario's generosity and thoughtfulness. It takes a special man to come through in such a big and meaningful way and touch and affect other people's lives. Congrats to you both for such a nice gesture!
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elin
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Any fig collection is worthless without stories like this behind it.
Good luck and i wish i could share a sbayi...
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timmy2green
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Wow, deja vu Eli, we were wishing/thinking the same thing, hehe. ;) Hope Israel is treating you well?! I'm glad everyone's been enjoying this story. It's stories like this that really make this hobby so fulfilling! One of the grandson's seemed especially interested in figs as I shared about them with him. He sort of took the point on learning from me how to take care of it so he could explain to his Grandfather. I told him I'd give him a fig too and I've been thinking about what I could give that would be different from what he gave his Grandfather but still special in it's own right and with Italian roots. So the other day I was going through my figs to see what I had multiples of and found that I had a two Salce figs and that are a couple years old and the second one has a bunch of figs on it. I remember the great story about that fig from Mario and how it was so great tasting the other figs went to the pigs, so I think that may be the perfect gift for my friend Tony (the Grandson). That way I can share with him the story about it too and then he'll have his own little fig treasure to grow. It's funny too because my extra tree really came from the generosity of Bill because I ordered a cutting from him and he sent me an extra, which will end up being the gift. Great people on this forum! Thanks again Mario! Timothy
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elin
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Tim as long as the weather continues to be like the last ten days I am OK...
It can get pretty warm.
Asides that we all wish for a better future...
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Great read and amazing story, thanks for sharing.
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