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Like most of you I like to collect figs. The Chinese varieties have caught my eye, so In an effort to weed out the renamed varieties From the true Chinese varieties I have started a list. If you can help me make heads or raid of it I would appreciate it. Do you grow these?


Are these real Chinese Figs?

A1213 ???
A132 (Bo Ji Hong) Brooke Shields Red
A212 (Jin Ao Fen) Golden Orphan
B1011 Yellow/Green fig med-lg.
B110 (Hong Ai Sheng) "Red God Of Love?"
Bu Lan Rui ke (Brunswick)
Feng Chan Huang ???
Fu Jian Bai Mi (Fu Jian is a province , Bai Mi translates "White Rice"
Ma Si Yi (Masui Dauphine)
Mei Li Ya ???
Qing Pi (Dried Tangerine Peel) Herbal Medicine
Wuhan (Zhong Zi) China Purple
Xin Jiang Zao Huang (XJ province, ZH early yellow)
Zi Tao Fen ???

If you grow these or have any others that are real Chinese varieties please PM me. I have about 80 varieties now, prob 1/2 could give me some cuttings if you would like to trade.
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They are real Chinese figs,
which are renamed figs that were imported
from France and the United States.

Couple of unique varieties exist in China,
don't see any of them on the above list.
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Hungry jack if they are imported from France and the US do you know what the original names are? You mention that there are original Chinese figs. Do you have those names?
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Xin Jiang Zao Huang is originated from China, from what I have read.
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Xin Jiang Zao Huang (XJ province, ZH may be a person's name?) 
zao means early,Huang means yellow
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Mei Li Ya I think it is same as Jin Ao Fen,the fruit is a bit big as Jin Ao fen
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Last you told me you want exchange,but I message you,you always ignore me
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Helikai I am not interested at this time. Thanks
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Hungry jack if they are imported from France and the US do you know what the original names are? 


When you grow out the cuttings you received from XXX in China,
you can match up the leaf/fruits and figure it out.

Will be an exciting project for you :-)
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I have no desire to get them from China. Someone in the States has to have them. As to not duplicate other varieties in my collection, I am looking for any other known names of these varieties. It is the native varieties, ones not brought over from anywhere, that I am most interested in. If those were brought over here and renamed, I'd like to know that as well.
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There are no "Native" figs. All came from outside of the U.S.  Figs are native to the Middle East and western Asia.
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Grrr. I guess I walked into that one. Lol.
OK, Lets assume that they went from the Middle East DIRECTLY to China. Do we have names for those? If they were imported from California and now have Chinese names, No Bueno.
Pasta was not native to Italy but no one can argue it's not Italian.
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Figs are native to the Middle East and western Asia.



Parts of western Asia are in China  :-)

There are fig trees documented to be 300-500+ years
of age in China.
The oldest one was brought from somewhere else (imported)
but has resided in China for over 500 years.

Do we classify that as a native fig,
or imported fig ?
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Figs are native to the Middle East and western Asia.



Parts of western Asia are in China  :-)

There are fig trees documented to be 300-500+ years
of age in China.
The oldest one was brought from somewhere else (imported)
but has resided in China for over 500 years.

Do we classify that as a native fig,
or imported fig ?



I never said some parts of China were not in Western Asia (or anywhere else). :-)

The statement "brought from somewhere else" means "imported" and not "native" and will always be not native.

The Black Mission is working on 250 years in California and will always be imported/not native.
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I think we are getting off track. This is not a debate on the meaning of the word "Native". I think we can agree that figs originated in the Middle East somewhere. So assuming a timeline of 250-300 years ago and older, what figs have a history of being in China that long? Of those figs, what varieties are available outside of China, and do they go by other names?

Hungry jack What did you mean by "couple of unique varieties exist in China,
don't see any of them on the above list." What are these unique varieties?
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it's like saying there is no americans in america since everyone came from somewhere else. hotdog isn't american since europe had other wurst that looked like hot dogs. apple pie isn't american because england and other part of europe had ton of pies. it's what you make out of what's given. look at japan, hardly ever invented anything, but sure makes everything better. 
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Can we please focus!
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ihotdog isn't american since europe had other wurst that looked like hot dogs.

apple pie isn't american because england and other part of europe had ton of pies.  


Wurst was served to people bare handed,
vendors would provide patrons with white gloves.
The pairs of gloves would disappear with frequency,
so vendors started serving the tube shaped meats in a bun,
the hot dog was born.  This happened in America

Apple pie,  yum
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Curious

 90% of the Chinese food served in America
you could not find in any part of China,
as these dishes do not exist.

 So, if in America, a dish is served and called Chinese food,
but does not have any representation in China,

then is that dish actually  American Food ?

:-)
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It is late. The last post by hungryjack in the thread made me hungry too !!!
I will just make a Chines hot dog or something.
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Curious

 90% of the Chinese food served in America
you could not find in any part of China,
as these dishes do not exist.

 So, if in America, a dish is served and called Chinese food,
but does not have any representation in China,

then is that dish actually  American Food ?

:-)




Try going to a "Chinese" restaurant in Sicily. It did not resemble American or Chinese food.
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Our worse Chinese food experience was in San Diego. Went to the wrong restaurant and found out too
late it was Latino style Chinese food.
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How about the best Chinese (American?) food...

Wo Hop on Mott St, NYC!
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Feng Chan Huang  is Kadota
Fu Jian Bai Mi (Fu Jian is a province , Bai Mi translates "White Honey"(not rice it should be honey, this variety already exist in Fu Jian over at least 100 years ).

Mei Li Ya very similar as Orphan maybe the same.

Qing Pi (Dried Tangerine Peel) Herbal Medicine
This variety was planted in Shandong province since 100 years ago by German(I guess the German brought this variety from German?), Shandong Province is the Colony of Germany that time.


Any one know ahout Brooke Shields Red? I am sure this variety in China is imported from US around 1990s, but I still confuse its orginal name. It is an excellent variety when planting in China.
A132 (Bo Ji Hong) Brooke Shields Red
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