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pitangadiego

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Posted 1235945675	Reply with quote #1

OK. What varieties have brebas. I am going to post the ones that are "sprouting" brebas currently (about 75 when I get the full list done). Hopefully everyone else can add theirs to the thread. This does NOT mean that they will persist, that they will ripen or that they will be worth eating, only that the plant/variety has demonstrated the ability to form a breba crop for the 2009 season. Some have never done that before, such as Celeste, so that may be an indication of a response to weather, early fertilization, maturity of the tree, or whatever. Perhaps this will help someone for whom the breba crop is the important and/or only crop. F = Few brebas formed, M = Many, T = brebas formed only at the tip, B = formed along the branch, and E = Early, meaning they are at least 1/2 to 3/4" in diameter already and there is significant leaf flush and twig formation as well. P1 = Persistent as of 04/11/2009 NP1 = Will not persist 04/11/209 Also undestand that I prune my trees very extensively, so some that might have brebas will not express that, and others that look to have few, might have had more if they had not been so pruned. Arab Market M B E P1 Atreano OR M B P1 Barnisotte M B Bifara F B P1 Black Madeira F B Blue Celeste 3 M T/B P1 Blue Celeste 4 M T/B P1 Blue Celeste JN F T P1 Brn Turkey PM T TB Brunswick F B Capelas F T Celeste JN M T/B P1 Celeste PM F T P1 add 4/09 Celeste SD06 F T P1 add 4/09 Chris' Purple M B Danny's Delite F T/BExcel F B P1 Dark Sultane F T P1 add 4/09 Duphine F B P1 add 4/09 Desert King RT F B P1 add 4/09 Excel F T P1 add 4/09 Fiorone d Ruvo F T E Galbun F B P1 Giant Amber M T/B Gulbun F T Hunt F B Igo F T Johnnes M B K-7-11 F T E P1 KAC-11-7w F T KAC-11-30E M T P1 Kadota O7 F B Kennedy M T P1 King 6 M T P1 Lemon F B P1 add 4/09 Little Red F B Lyndhurst Wht F T Madeleine d Deux M B E P1 Monstrueuse 4 M B E P1 Nardine F T Nazarti M T/B P1 Nativ d Argetile F B P1 Negronne F B P1 add 4/09 Norman's Yellow F B P1 add 4/09 NSA No1 Green F T/B E NP1 Nuhurskii M B P1 add 4/09 Osborn F T P1 add 4/09 Peter's Strawby F T Portland 3 M B E P1 Rattlesnake Is F T Ruby 3 F B Santa Cruz Wht M B E Sicilaia Bifara 64 F Stanford M T E P1 Strawberry Verte F B P1 T-30E M B P1 Ta Cenc GM4 M T/B P1 Tex Everbrg3 F T P1 Trojano 5 F T P1 Unknown Pastil F T P1 Vashon Is F T Very Dark Grk F T P1 Viol d Bord EL F T P1 Vista F T P1 Walker M T P1 White Adriatic M B P1 White Greek F T White Kadota F T P1 add 4/09 White King 4 F B White King S6 M B P1 Yellow Neches F T 135-4s F T 184-15 F T 342-1 F T E P1 __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

SteveNJ

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Posted 1235947248	Reply with quote #2

Great thread Jon. And timely as I have been thinking about breba crop now that my collection has expanded some. Look forward your first listing. __________________ Regards, Steve Zone 6a - Northwest NJ

OttawanZ5

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Posted 1236014817	Reply with quote #3

It may be a fair guess that figlets appearing during rooting process of cuttings indicate that the variety is a good candidate for brebas (with the same caveat that the breba may or may not hang on to mature). I was rooting a Kadota cutting with 12 nodes and it was much slower than other cuttings in rooting and then I noticed that almost all (11 or 12) of the 12 nodes had tiny figlets (12-tuplets!). __________________ Ottawan-Z5a, Canada

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Posted 1236025991	Reply with quote #4

Ottowan, >>>It may be a fair guess that figlets appearing during rooting process >>>of cuttings indicate that the variety is a good candidate for brebas. Funny, I have been noticing/noting the same exact thing with my newly acquired fig twigs (breba/1-2-crops). My question: Which fig does NOT produce any breba at all? Up to now, I thought it was the Celeste, but Jon just proofed it otherwise. __________________ George, NJ_z7a.

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Posted 1236048500	Reply with quote #5

Here is a research presentation from UC Davis: http://ucce.ucdavis.edu/files/datastore/391-301.pdf There is info about breba figs around pages 8-11. I got about 30-40 breba figs from a second year Desert King fig tree last year. My Desert King grew too fast last year (about 8-10 feet). Wish the info is useful for this community __________________ TAG

pitangadiego

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Posted 1236061282	Reply with quote #6

I'm with gorgi, I have never seen breabs on Celeste, but clearly have them this year on multiple plants. So are enviornmental factors a part of whether brebas are formed? Could various varieties be induced to have a breba crop? Figs just get more interesting with each passing year. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

loslunasfarms

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Posted 1236098829	Reply with quote #7

Jon, my celeste does not have brebas. Could it be that the fig was started as a main crop but too small to get started when the tree went into dormancy?

pitangadiego

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Posted 1236106805	Reply with quote #8

I suppose, but that could be said of any fig forming on last years growth, including brebas. Does that make all brebas really hold over main crop figs? My trees definitely come to the end of the season and do not set additional fruit, but are not dormant for 2-3 months after last fruit has been picked. I have never seen this on Celestes before, but no mistaking it this season. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

xgrndpounder

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Posted 1236112567	Reply with quote #9

I have two Celeste's from different sources, both have a couple Brebas on them. Jon one of them is the one I sent you the cuttings from. I think it has a lot to do with the locatation (just my SWAG) we can't wait for Spring to get here, it is knocking right now. And yes Jon, I know, it is already in S.D. :-)

loslunasfarms

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Posted 1236116973	Reply with quote #10

I think that main crops can be held over from last year. I just got a different vasilika originating from Greece called Vasilika Markopoulu and it came on a dormant tree. Now that the tree has woken up the tiny fig initial that was there is now about a pea size. Just to clarify, the tiny fig initial was indeed a fig, but now it just picked up from where it left last year. My two cents.

OttawanZ5

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Posted 1236390072	Reply with quote #11

If I remember correctly from an old thread, breba and held-over main crop (if there is such thing) can be identified by the location of the fruit. The thread I mentioned indicated that brebas are formed below the leaf mark on last year wood. This should help identify. __________________ Ottawan-Z5a, Canada

Dieseler

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Posted 1236404275	Reply with quote #12

On some of my large tree's what i have observed on the bud tips that are not cut off before storing for winter the breba forms right below it as the buds turn back to green from brown from storage. Then as new growth occurs the late season figs form right above the new leafs. I will try to take pictures if that helps as this should occur in near future with some of my elder trees . I mentioned before i just knock them off and did not really pay much attention to which type of my trees they actually grow on but now my curiosity is perked. I dont remember when leafs form if i get any breba at those points mentioned but i can say they do form right below the new buds starting to form, i'll find out and post. Also i never get any late season to carry on to the new season that i have noticed in my zone it seems once tree is spent of figs in fall thats it, but thats my cold zone.

xgrndpounder

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Posted 1236519231	Reply with quote #13

Here is a Pix of my Celeste with a few Breba figs on it. I will post pix of this tree later in the season.....Spring has sprung around here :-)

pitangadiego

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Posted 1237348206	Reply with quote #14

Found a non-tip breba on Black Madeira, today. Haven't seen that before. So I am back to wondering how much of breba production is influenced by weather/environment?... __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

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Posted 1238819924	Reply with quote #15

Jon, to your list I can add my Flanders and Panache. My Jurupa only has one breba fig on it and I was thinking it had more last year, but maybe I remembered wrong. The Black Mission NL I got from you last June also has some but they appear to be aborting, though that might be due to the fact that I just took it out of the pot and finally planted it two weeks ago. Edit 4/4/2014: The Panache dropped off eventually although some held on until June or so. __________________ Harvey - Correia Farms Isleton, CA (Sacramento County) USDA zone 9b, Sunset zone 14 http://www.figaholics.com https://www.facebook.com/Figaholics

Dieseler

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Posted 1238884352	Reply with quote #16

This is stick i cut March 27 at the time this breaba was very small i just left it alone, i just stuck in soil for the heck of it and now i suppose energy from stick is making it grow. Im just leaving it for the heck of it, it roots fine it does not fine. This is from tree that stuck me good in neck when i root pruned it past winter and at dinner table embarassed me when family asked "what the heck happened to you" Mother tree italian unknown from Bologna Italy 3 seasons old, it has been a bit of a problem tree as it dropped all figs last year but 1 that made it and was eaten. Tree was root pruned and have better hopes for it this year or else.

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Posted 1238885339	Reply with quote #17

I like your choice of background. __________________ Regards, Steve Zone 6a - Northwest NJ

pitangadiego

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Posted 1239514042	Reply with quote #18

Breba observations updated 04/11/2009. Did not check all the plants, yet. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

SteveNJ

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Posted 1239543079	Reply with quote #19

Jon, Have you observed any Breba on Marseilles White? I have a Celeste and Marseilles that I bought from EL last year. Both are in pots and still in winter storage. On both, the tips are greening and about ready to open and I see what I believe to be breba on both. I'll know more in a week or so as they get a little bigger. __________________ Regards, Steve Zone 6a - Northwest NJ

pitangadiego

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Posted 1239546277	Reply with quote #20

Negative. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

SteveNJ

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Posted 1239565820	Reply with quote #21

Based upon the shape (rounded apex) and position of the buds, am I correct that these are breba? Attached Images Celeste_Breba_Buds_(04-12-2009).jpg (129.04 KB, 283 views) Marseilles_White_Breba_Buds_(04-12-2009).jpg (307.28 KB, 246 views) __________________ Regards, Steve Zone 6a - Northwest NJ

Dieseler

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Posted 1239580025	Reply with quote #22

Steve, yes .

SteveNJ

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Posted 1239580823	Reply with quote #23

Thanks for confirming Martin. So add Celeste (already there) and Marseilles White to the breba list. __________________ Regards, Steve Zone 6a - Northwest NJ

arigato

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Posted 1239924061	Reply with quote #24

Ill post my varieties and which have brebas this weekend. I dont have time at the moment.

sirlampsalot

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Posted 1240084160	Reply with quote #25

My Patrick's Super Giant (3 yr old in ground) has a few brebas along one stem about the size of a playing marble on 4/16/09 __________________ C.H. Zone 7a East Tn

moshepherdess

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Posted 1240191775	Reply with quote #26

Counted 24 quarter-size brebas on Italian Honey planted in the North, residual heat side of my hoophouse today. Celeste has one nickle sized one. Ten of the eleven trees planted in the unheated addition to the hoop are showing growth, all were killed to the ground. The Italian Honey there is barely showing growth, no actual leaves yet, just two little buds, all others have leaves. I may dig the Honey up and put it in the heated side next winter to see if it produces brebas earlier than on the residual heat side since it most likely will not have wood to survive in the addition. Temperatures got to teens a time or two if I remember correctly. Nothing yet from what was a very small Blue Giant, looks like it may have frozen even the roots. Elizabeth __________________ Elizabeth near KC Missouri zone5b 7b or higher in hoophouse

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Posted 1240444969	Reply with quote #27

A little late but: few brebas unless noted otherwise: Persian white Persian Black Celeste (started to drop already) Galbun (dropped the one it had) petite negri MD1943BT Italian Everbearing - many formed and are quite large Hardy Chicago Votata Marlow

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Posted 1240449438	Reply with quote #28

Just looked at mine large trees on driveway, mine never get ripe as our spring cold nights kill them before they get to any size or i knock them off. Hardy Chicago Sals E.L. VDB E.L Italian Unknown - Bologna Italy Unknown Fig Tree Maderia currently under grow light has 2 brebas

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Posted 1240453377	Reply with quote #29

Well, a new discovery for me. I always prune back my Bella - Unknown tree in the fall (in ground) but last year I put one in a pot and didn't cut it back as much. So, now I see what looks like breba! The white on the one branch is latex that ran last fall after pinching back the growing tip. Attached Images BEL03_breba01_04212009crop_resize.jpg (69.13 KB, 183 views) BEL03_breba02_04212009crop_resize.jpg (63.11 KB, 194 views) __________________ Regards, Steve Zone 6a - Northwest NJ

pitangadiego

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Posted 1242869234	Reply with quote #30

Added Sicilian Bifara 64 __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

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Posted 1246757907	Reply with quote #31

Jon, Is the Chris' Purple the one from Belleclare? George, Is this the unknown #14? Richard

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Posted 1246803046	Reply with quote #32

Hi Richard, [Edit: A very keen eye observation/theory, and..] I see the possible link. I was given my unkown GM#14 by Chris of Belleclare himself. This was fall 2006, just before they closed shop. The only information given was that it is a 'purple' fig. I believe that I gave Jon a (rooted) cutting off it, sooo 'Chris' Purple' maybe a good name for it (unless it is another Chris). I leave the last word for Jon... __________________ George, NJ_z7a.

Jackster

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Posted 1247366761	Reply with quote #33

For the most part, how do brebas compare to the main crop in terms of size and taste?

pitangadiego

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Posted 1247367270	Reply with quote #34

In San Diego, they are about .01 on the 10 scale. They ripen in our cooler weather. No heat means no flavor and no sweetness. In shorter season climates they ripen during the heat of llater summer and are quite good. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

mrhappy

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Posted 1247425950	Reply with quote #35

Thank you for the follow up George. I appreciate it.

pitangadiego

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Posted 1247436743	Reply with quote #36

Gorgi, I missed you question, I guess. No, Chris' Purple has nothing to do with BC. It was from a friend of a friend here in CA. Have no idea, yet, what it really is. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

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Posted 1247512193	Reply with quote #37

gorgi, If I'm not mistaken, the "Chris fig" is from my boss's home, Chris's unk purple Portuguese fig. It was planted by a Portuguese family from a cutting brought with them from Portugal. They have since returned to Portugal so, unfortunately I can not question them further. Jon, If I get the chance, I'll swing by and leave you some of the fruit for photography. I want to get down to Point Loma to check the 3 Madeira figs progress. Sue __________________ Sue Zone 9B, 1946' Ramona, CA San Diego County

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Posted 1248830735	Reply with quote #38

Had my Hardy Chicago Breba today July 28th first breba ever for me 17 grams weight. Edit July29th Had EL.Sals Breba today weight 25 grams, much better than HC breba in taste which took me by surprise. Attached Images Chicago_Hardy_Breba_Pic_2.jpg (247.19 KB, 114 views) Chicago_Hardy_Breba_Pic_3.jpg (289.86 KB, 124 views)

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Posted 1249242220	Reply with quote #39

Picked July 9th Grown in pot Thin skin Delicious Sergio in South Jersey http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/file?id=822810 http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/file?id=822811 http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/file?id=822812 Attached Images figs_001.jpg (52.78 KB, 228 views) figs_002.jpg (27.60 KB, 235 views) figs_003.jpg (34.00 KB, 235 views)

xgrndpounder

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Posted 1249243628	Reply with quote #40

Hi sergio So, you like the Sal's Corleone?

sergio

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Posted 1249247451	Reply with quote #41

Hi Cecil, I have no idea what it's real name is, but I love the flavor. I will grow it in the pot if it means I can have the brebas on it, even though I only got 2 out of the 7 becouse it's worth it. Sergio, in South Jersey.

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Posted 1249247835	Reply with quote #42

Sergio, I have a Sal's I was calling Sal's #2 Herman told me to call it Sal's Corleone, that is why I called it Sal's Corleone.

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Posted 1249249978	Reply with quote #43

Hi Cecil, I did not notice your post until after I posted mine. My mistake, I apologize. Perhaps it is a St. Jerome. Sergio in South Jersey

xgrndpounder

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Posted 1249313065	Reply with quote #44

No apology needed here Sergio

gorgi

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Posted 1249324692	Reply with quote #45

Sergio, Your Sal fig does not look like a Sal's(C) [C=Corleone] fruit to me. More likely, maybe it is a Sal's #1, aka., Sal's(EL) [EL=Edible Landscaping] - also sometimes known as Gene's strain. Also, you showed one leaf between 2 different fruits, which one does it belong to? The coin (for a relative size) is a very good practice. __________________ George, NJ_z7a.

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Posted 1249697957	Reply with quote #46

Hi Gorgi, The picture did not show the word breba, and that was the main reason why I had placed it on this post. You also have this tree along with Dan from LA. Dan researched it and He came up with the closest ID being Schar. The brebas on the above pictures are from the same tree, one small the other over two inches. They started out with their multi-color appearance but as it got ripe, it became a deep purple, unlike the main crop. Salute, from Sergio So. Jersey

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Posted 1249832502	Reply with quote #47

Sergio, Thanks much for the very clear explanision. __________________ George, NJ_z7a.

OttawanZ5

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Posted 1251060012	Reply with quote #48

Since no one has mentioned Latarulla (Lattarula), I will mention that I had breba crop on this variety this year which I bought last year from Grimo Nut Nursery. The main crop needs more than a month to ripen. Also, I confirm Jon's observation that Bifara has breba crop (really big breba fruit in my location). __________________ Ottawan-Z5a, Canada

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Posted 1251085012	Reply with quote #49

Ottawan - is the breba Bifara great tasting ? Thanks. Will send Jupiter & plants come Fall. Jupiter is at least 4ft tall now. Likely I have to prune for shipping.

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Posted 1251132293	Reply with quote #50

Paully When one does not get too many ripe figs, he cannot be a good judge about the taste because every fig with a little sweetness and having some fig like flavour is a great fig to have. Relatively speaking, the two Bifara brebas were huge but the Desert King and Latarulla brebas were sweeter and flavourful than Bifara. The few Bifara main crop figs that ripened last year were more colourful (purplish) and sweeter. But I think BIfara is a keeper for me because it is reliable and it was my first fig purchased from Grimo in spring of 2007 (so it is a pet like sentimental attachment to it). __________________ Ottawan-Z5a, Canada

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