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chucklikestofish

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is ischia and strawberry verte the same tree ,i'm confused, ebay say's ischia when i type search for strawberry verte??

ebay--ichia /strawberry is it strawberry verte >??~
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Some would say they are the same, but I've read that the USDA collection has them as different. Many who have both from them agree that they are totally different. Do a search here and you will find info to draw your own conclusion from. My vote is that the USDA origin sourced materials are not the same but along the way things got mislabeled and they become synonymous with each other. Only expensive DNA testing can determine for sure.

From my perspective and experience with getting mislabeled green Ischia, I find it increasingly hard to trust traditional sources and eBay. I would check the seller out and find his/her sources. Did he post his own picture of his ripened fruit from the mother tree or is the picture pirated from somewhere, without even an acknowledgement of the source?

Does the seller belong to this or the other forum? For how long? I would search for him/her here to see if her name is on the list for known bad eBay seller. I hope this newbie response is of use to you.
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Dan, West Central FL 9a

Wishlist- Great tasting dark or light figs with deep red interiors: White Madeira, Craven's Craving, Portugal Black Madeira, Sultani, Violeta, USDA Black Ischia, Dall'Osso, CdDB or CdDB-N
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I'm sure it's only a matter of time before we get to taste the correct variety that we are looking for. We just want the time to shorten as much as possible to the event. Good luck to us both and happy figging.
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Dan, West Central FL 9a

Wishlist- Great tasting dark or light figs with deep red interiors: White Madeira, Craven's Craving, Portugal Black Madeira, Sultani, Violeta, USDA Black Ischia, Dall'Osso, CdDB or CdDB-N
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I'm sure it's only a matter of time before we get to taste the correct variety that we are looking for. We just want the time to shorten as much as possible to the event. Good luck to us both and happy figging.
~thanks yes good luck to you too ,i got some good trees in ground,italian letizia i bought from gurney's two years ago,rotted back to ground this past winter ,and it is 4.5 feet tall already and popping around 50 figs or more already,it has passed hardy chicao only 8' away from it. it is blowing h-c out of the water ,i have small florea's x2,and celeste,vdb,blk bethlehem,white lyndhurst,paradosio,saint anthony,olypian,sal's el,~and one unknown green fig good grower but haven;t tasted any figs yet it is going on three years old,it's mother tree grows wild here and produces figs along a road about 12 miles from my house in zone 6b,a guy gave me cuttings he ate figs from the wild mother tree, by the way unprotected in the winter no houses near it he didn't give me directions to it i guess to save the crop for hiself and i don't blame him,this tree is a very fast rooter if interested in cuttings i will have them after a couple frosts in oct i guess let me know ~
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You have a good collection going. The unknown looks like a cold hardy survivor. Let's see if it will handle the Florida heat. I'll PM you in Oct. I don't have anything big enough to offer cuttings in return now, but if I have anything available in the future, like the real green Ischia or Strawberry Verte, that you want, it's yours.

You should definitely do posts on Italian Letizia and the hardy unknown and update. I'm sure it will be of interest to a lot of people. I would recommend pinching terminal bud of the Hardy unknown, if you haven't yet, to see if it can induce fig production. Search it here and you'll find evidence and the instructions on how to effectively do it from more experienced members.
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Dan, West Central FL 9a

Wishlist- Great tasting dark or light figs with deep red interiors: White Madeira, Craven's Craving, Portugal Black Madeira, Sultani, Violeta, USDA Black Ischia, Dall'Osso, CdDB or CdDB-N
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I have both growing side by side and I can almost promise you they are NOT the same! GI grows more aggressive than SV.... I would love to see this get solved! Both of mine came from very respectful growers! : )
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I have both growing side by side and I can promise you they are NOT the same! GI grows more aggressive than SV.... I would love to see this get solved! Both of mine came from very respectful growers! : )


That's good enough for me, Frank. I would love to have the real wood material to provide corroborating evidence, but until I do, I trust your observation.
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Dan, West Central FL 9a

Wishlist- Great tasting dark or light figs with deep red interiors: White Madeira, Craven's Craving, Portugal Black Madeira, Sultani, Violeta, USDA Black Ischia, Dall'Osso, CdDB or CdDB-N
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You have a good collection going. The unknown looks like a cold hardy survivor. Let's see if it will handle the Florida heat. I'll PM you in Oct. I don't have anything big enough to offer cuttings in return now, but if I have anything available in the future, like the real green Ischia or Strawberry Verte, that you want, it's yours. You should definitely do posts on Italian Letizia and the hardy unknown and update. I'm sure it will be of interest to a lot of people. I would recommend pinching terminal bud of the Hardy unknown, if you haven't yet, to see if it can induce fig production. Search it here and you'll find evidence and the instructions on how to effectively do it from more experienced members.
~thanks~
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Some would say they are the same, but I've read that the USDA collection has them as different. Many who have both from them agree that they are totally different. Do a search here and you will find info to draw your own conclusion from. My vote is that the USDA origin sourced materials are not the same but along the way things got mislabeled and they become synonymous with each other. Only expensive DNA testing can determine for sure. From my perspective and experience with getting mislabeled green Ischia, I find it increasingly hard to trust traditional sources and eBay. I would check the seller out and find his/her sources. Did he post his own picture of his ripened fruit from the mother tree or is the picture pirated from somewhere, without even an acknowledgement of the source? Does the seller belong to this or the other forum? For how long? I would search for him/her here to see if her name is on the list for known bad eBay seller. I hope this newbie response is of use to you.
~thanks~
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I have "Ischia" labeled figs that are in reality White Marseilles from Wally World last summer and some from another source that do not look like the White Marseilles so I have hopes. I have seen figs labeled Green Ischia and simply Ischia. Don't know what the difference is if there is any. Just starting some Strawberry Verte so time will tell what I have. I know I will be getting rid of some White Marseilles as I have 6 now! So the mystery remains until I get crops from all.
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